Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[MonsieurM]

next to every great man there was A Great Woman...who probably threatened him to sleep outside in the barn if he did not do his chores

cheer up, you are the lucky ones whom their companion is understanding enough to let you experiment....

[Dave45]

would you believe I am doing house work and other long over due home maintenance My wife said you may call it OU but if you dont take some time to fix a few things arround here. OU is only one one Letter
from the word your OUt

Great job on the PDF
I haven't read it in detail just browsed over it. Very well presented.

Im glad to hear Im not the only one
Mine threatened to throw my cloths out on the porch and me with em
They just dont realize how important this is.
Dave

[toranarod]

Hey rod, if you are having a hard time getting the coils to speed up together, try this...

I assume they accelerate at different speeds individually?

If they do, and if the acceleration has to do with core delay, try using biasing magnets on them one by one and work it out so they all speed up at the same RPM. That way you can simply get the rotor up to speed and accelerate all of them at once.

I suspect you would have to "prime" the cores that require the highest RPM (the cores requiring the highest rpm for speedup may/should/could require a slower rpm if you use a biasing magnet. Of course it could be opposite of this, but this is what makes sense to me. Oh, ps, this assumes you will position the biasing magnet so it is in attraction to the rotor magnet as it passes by.


As far as my angled pull idea, just study each magnet on that picture I posted and ask yourself what the magnet would be trying to do (where would it be attracting to the most, what direction?)

would you believe I am doing house work and other long over due home maintenance My wife said you may call it OU but if you dont take some time to fix a few things arround here. OU is only one one Letter
from the word your OUt

Great job on the PDF
I haven't read it in detail just browsed over it. Very well presented.

[Shadesz]

Hey rod, if you are having a hard time getting the coils to speed up together, try this...

I assume they accelerate at different speeds individually?

If they do, and if the acceleration has to do with core delay, try using biasing magnets on them one by one and work it out so they all speed up at the same RPM. That way you can simply get the rotor up to speed and accelerate all of them at once.

I suspect you would have to "prime" the cores that require the highest RPM (the cores requiring the highest rpm for speedup may/should/could require a slower rpm if you use a biasing magnet. Of course it could be opposite of this, but this is what makes sense to me. Oh, ps, this assumes you will position the biasing magnet so it is in attraction to the rotor magnet as it passes by.


As far as my angled pull idea, just study each magnet on that picture I posted and ask yourself what the magnet would be trying to do (where would it be attracting to the most, what direction?)

[Shadesz]

I've upped a video of acceleration-under-load rather than just short-circuit.

The rotor speed rises by only a few Hz, and the milliamps only go down by a few but the effect is there and will be amplified with higher impedance coils.

Acceleration under load - replicating the Heins Effect ... - YouTube

Nice! now we just need to figure out how to get it to use less power than no coil.

[quantumuppercut]

Thanks.

The kicker is, rod is seeing that acceleration without an inductor phase shift. Inductor phase shifts only happen in coils powered by electricity. Coils that pickup a magnetic field pickup voltage and current at the same rate/time. Hence no inductor phase shifting.

Very sharp. Maybe it's...invisible. Spooky. lol

[Shadesz]

That is good David!
Phase shift of about 90 degree means completely no drag, but it seems that in the adams type rotor, Rod is getting acceleration, so the current is becoming assistive. If we utilize a system that makes use of the perpendicular force of the delayed current in the coil (eg a piston), then that current will work for us instead of against us or being neutral, that is what I think the Adams type rotor is all about. Think of mounting a magnet on a spring and making it oscillate really fast on top of a coil, don't you think that if the frequency of oscillation is enough it will become self running? I do think so.

BTW: if we take into consideration the phase lag caused by the core itself then we can go beyond 90 degrees of phase shift, although I think that 90 degrees of phase shift more than enough to lead to COP>1.

Thanks.

The kicker is, rod is seeing that acceleration without an inductor phase shift. Inductor phase shifts only happen in coils powered by electricity. Coils that pickup a magnetic field, pickup voltage and current at the same rate/time. Hence no inductor phase shifting.

[MonsieurM]

@all , it would be nice if you could watch the following vid

particularly @ 1 min 40 s, keep in mind Muller set up..that angle is crucial

Nature by Numbers - YouTube



besides you'll learn in 4 min the golden mean and what it means in Nature

[elias]

Alright guys! I finally finished it! Well, there is a ton more I wanted to add, and it needs a lot of revision, but I am sick of it and wanted to get it posted. Feel free to read it and discuss what I present. Thanks in advance.



David

That is good David!
Phase shift of about 90 degree means completely no drag, but it seems that in the adams type rotor, Rod is getting acceleration, so the current is becoming assistive. If we utilize a system that makes use of the perpendicular force of the delayed current in the coil (eg a piston), then that current will work for us instead of against us or being neutral, that is what I think the Adams type rotor is all about. Think of mounting a magnet on a spring and making it oscillate really fast on top of a coil, don't you think that if the frequency of oscillation is enough it will become self running? I do think so.

BTW: if we take into consideration the phase lag caused by the core itself then we can go beyond 90 degrees of phase shift, although I think that 90 degrees of phase shift more than enough to lead to COP>1.

[elias]

At over-excitation, a core can fully lose its permeability and the coil would behave as an air core coil.


Garry

Yes magnets reduce the inductance of a coil, in fact a generator coil does not have a constant L, and it is changing all the time.

[garrypm]

Folks,

I do not get it. Whenever you approach or attach a permanent magnet to a coil's ferromagnetic core, then the coil's inductance changes to a LOWER value, it does not increase. Core saturation means the original permeability reduces to a lower value (the operating point on the B/H curve is shifted towards the flattening sides where B cannot get higher any more howerer much amperturns you pump in. At over-excitation, a core can fully lose its permeability and the coil would behave as an air core coil.

So how is it meant?

Thanks, Gyula

At over-excitation, a core can fully lose its permeability and the coil would behave as an air core coil.


Garry

[Shadesz]

Alright guys! I finally finished it! Well, there is a ton more I wanted to add, and it needs a lot of revision, but I am sick of it and wanted to get it posted. Feel free to read it and discuss what I present. Thanks in advance.



David

[MonsieurM]

this is just to have it as a reference:

from Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles

Magnetic Current ~

Ehrenhaft discovered that a magnetic current is surrounded by circular electric lines of force and that the magnetic charge of the magnet could be set free by making it release oxygen gas from acidulated water.

found this while browsing Tesla's patent

[gyula]

Folks,

I do not get it. Whenever you approach or attach a permanent magnet to a coil's ferromagnetic core, then the coil's inductance changes to a LOWER value, it does not increase. Core saturation means the original permeability reduces to a lower value (the operating point on the B/H curve is shifted towards the flattening sides where B cannot get higher any more howerer much amperturns you pump in. At over-excitation, a core can fully lose its permeability and the coil would behave as an air core coil.

So how is it meant?

Thanks, Gyula

[MonsieurM]

this was posted on http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nerator-2.html

what interests me in this post is the highlighted part:

You are recycling the pulse by sending the kickback to the source and topping it up with a generator coil. The magnets are there to increase inductance by saturating the cores, that's all. The only reason you have to reach such high speed is because of internal resistance. Build bigger coils of lower resistance and it will work better.
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because it reminded me of the set up i mentioned earlier




Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles

it is the saturating part that caught my attention