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  • Cross Field Capacitor

    Here is the concept I begun testing and intend to finish, which I believe is very strong. I thought some might find the concept interesting.

    Imagine an electrolyser cell, yet simplified.

    There are only two plates and each is covered with a dielectric.

    In between the plates is water.

    Because of the dielectric, there is no way for charge to leave one plate transit the water and end on the other plate, Rather the plates act more like a capacitor.

    If you were to run a current through the water, (from two electrodes see rough diagram below) you would notice a sharp decrease in the capacitance of the plates.

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    The dashed lines above are the capacitor plates with insulation, in between them is water. The "x" marks are electrodes to cause a current to run through the water parallel to the plates. The squiggly lines are the water. If you imagine the fields, you would have the water molicules aligning its poles in the plate to plate (vertical in this portrayal) direction. The current is going from electrode to electrode, in the horizontal direction, thus the dielectric field of the capacitor, and the current are orthogonal or perpendicular to each other.

    Here is where the magic happens. It is known to those skilled in the art (brushing up on my patent writing skills That to decrease the capacitance of a charged capacitor causes an increase in the energy state. This arises from the law of conservation of charge, and is explained very well in the Hidink patent 4095156. This is the fundamental concept behind parametrics, variation of the parameters of a system to affect an increase in energy, in this case, we are talking about capacitance.

    So now that you understand the layout of the simple cell, and the concept of decreasing capacitance causing an increase in energy, you will see the simple elegance of what I am trying to do.

    Imagine charging such a capacitor to some very high voltage (I am working with 12kv). Now discharge this capacitor through its own dielectric (water). As the discharge occurs, the increase in current through the water, causes a sharp decrease in capacitance of the cell!Our discharge diminishes the very capacitance that holds it. It is known that the area under the curve in an oscilloscope reading equates to the energy in the pulse. Here one discharge of a normal capacitor has an area x. Here the discharge should be (and preliminary tests show this to be correct) larger than X. To what degree I am not sure yet.

    Now imagine what this means. We will have two outputs here. One will be gas liberated from the electrodes, the other will be our electrical discharge. My plan is to recycle the discharge back into the capacitor from whence it came, thus completing one cycle.

    I call this device the cross field cell, as it plays dielectric force against current. (the two being perpendicular to each other).

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    here is an "artist rendition" by user Dragon, who is brilliant with his hands (much like all of you!)

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    Tonight, I will upload one of my first proof of concept experiments and load it.

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    • #3
      Here is the demonstration of reduction of capacity. Imagine charging to thousands of volts, the discharge will be hundreds of amps, the results should be good!

      YouTube - MOV03700

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      • #4
        p.s.

        As I said earlier, there are two outputs, HHO, and electrical. The next logical step would be to integrate the "One way tank" circuit I posted in the "charge conserving capacitive spring" thread.



        Now all electrical is recycled, becomes reactive, and the only output is HHO
        Last edited by Armagdn03; 01-23-2011, 08:43 PM.

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        • #5
          I am in the process of building a large single cell to display the concept. WIll show pictures as soon as practical.

          I had hoped to develop this further before releasing it, but I have not had much time. so go ahead and run with the concept.

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          • #6
            Yes

            Mike

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            • #7
              Great post. Looks very promising.

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              • #8
                Great work Armagdn03 ! I've been playing with a couple versions of tesla's "special device" which works in a similar manner but modifies resistance - very erratically I might add.

                Nice to see it working ! I noticed you took all your other videos down on youtube - all that wonderful work you've done. Luckily I've saved most of them !

                Keep up the great work !
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                CHEAP AIRSOFT PELLET
                Last edited by dragon; 05-11-2011, 11:17 AM.

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                • #9
                  Could there be some way to achieve this using two equal capacitors connected
                  to the water somehow in between them ? Like the water capret or similar ?
                  If this makes any sense.

                  FRC

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                  • #10
                    Here's a test you should do.

                    Connect the cap plates to your meter.
                    With no battery or electrical connection, short the (gold) electrodes and see how much of a difference in capacitance you read on your meter compared to it with the battery connected to the electrodes.

                    Just connecting "plates" (ie your electrodes) between your cap plates will affect the capacitance measured but it would not move charges ala Chris Carson style like in his electrostatic generator. But maybe your water and current configuration may be different?

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                    • #11
                      May be of interest

                      Patents by Louis R. O'Hare
                      US 4,074,129 and 4,151,409. He has others.
                      Interesting reading to go along with this thread.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dragon View Post
                        Great work Armagdn03 ! I've been playing with a couple versions of tesla's "special device" which works in a similar manner but modifies resistance - very erratically I might add.

                        Nice to see it working ! I noticed you took all your other videos down on youtube - all that wonderful work you've done. Luckily I've saved most of them !

                        Keep up the great work !
                        Dragon, I did not delete any of my videos, that particular video is public on a separate youtube account I have. Thanks for the kind words.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FRC View Post
                          Could there be some way to achieve this using two equal capacitors connected
                          to the water somehow in between them ? Like the water capret or similar ?
                          If this makes any sense.

                          FRC
                          It may be interesting to note that the resistance of the water can be incorporated as a part of an RLC circuit. I do not know if the dielectrically charged water or perhaps more precisely the water in an electric field changes its resistive properties and what effect that may have. But yes think along those lines many many possibilities.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SilverToGold View Post
                            Here's a test you should do.

                            Connect the cap plates to your meter.
                            With no battery or electrical connection, short the (gold) electrodes and see how much of a difference in capacitance you read on your meter compared to it with the battery connected to the electrodes.

                            Just connecting "plates" (ie your electrodes) between your cap plates will affect the capacitance measured but it would not move charges ala Chris Carson style like in his electrostatic generator. But maybe your water and current configuration may be different?
                            I already did this. .that is what the first video is of.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DrStiffler View Post
                              Patents by Louis R. O'Hare
                              US 4,074,129 and 4,151,409. He has others.
                              Interesting reading to go along with this thread.
                              I have a slew of patents along those lines, but I had not come across those yet. thanks for passing that along, this area is the most promising route of energy generation in my opinion.

                              Good to see you are still around Doc. Missed your brain teasers.

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