Joule Ringer!

[TEKTRON]

good one
they also put in quite a few years $$ etc. to enjoy that little luxury didn't they...


Hi totoalas,
I don't mean anything by it. and... its not really mine, it's Tesla and others around and before.
I don't mean to belittle anyone's work. I have learned more from JB and others because of their willingness to share. I wish more great minds would have the same attitude.

I don't think I see anything original on any of the vids I watch nor see here on this forum, save a couple of great minds that do share here. a diode here a cap there. the fathers of this stuff did it all before us, we're just trying to figure out what they did with some new tech - since they all took it to their graves.

I don't think you are, but to all - please do not be offended. that is the last thing I want. I think by giving these things our own names, we take away from those before us. If on Thursday I would have added a nicely pureed Korean pair to my great grandmothers special 30 ingredient apple pie recipe and then called it Patrick's apple pie, she might not take it too kindly.

I think it's wonderful that we are all here sharing what we learn about how to make/reproduce the work of great minds before us.

Patrick

How the hell do you think your great gramma's recipe got up to 30 ingredients... duh.

[minoly]

How the hell do you think your great gramma's recipe got up to 30 ingredients... duh.

perhaps, but I do not see my grandmothers or my moms name on it

[Stephen Brown]

In the final analysis.....!

you people are funny with how you name all "your" mods.

well here is the Patrick mod that takes all of your mods and puts them all together for one big charging mod. where my primary 7Ah charges 500
small Battery charges Large Battery - YouTube


patrick

Patrick,
This is wonderful. Although this is, as you say, like watching paint dry, this is in the final analysis what John Bedini has been trying to show us all since the mid 1980s.

The simplicity is, in the end, just to much to bare.

I / We all look for something flashy and amazing and here it is.
A solutions that just works in simple, everyday terms.

Radiant charging of batteries. Any number of batteries, for free.

Wasn't this the first fundamental thing we learned when we saw our first schematics of the Bedini circuits.

As an analogy;
This is the same realization I had when I started to really understand music.
The first song I learned "Chopsticks" / "Heart and Soul" / "The Rhythm Changes" ended up being the most important song I ever learned musically, because it ended up being the heart of music.

Thanks to everyone for restating the fundamentals in such clear terms.

LaserSaber, congratulation on reinvigorating this thread by your extreme simplification of the Joule Ringer circuit. It is like magic. Our best answers in the end will be simple and fundamental.
I look forward to your new and improved simplification.

Let the ringing begin in earnest.

Stephen

[jonnydavro]

@Xee.HiI still had the circuit setup so I tried removing the diode and this is what happens.Using a 3300uf cap,the cap starts to charge and as it does so the current draw decreases until the cap reaches the supply voltage and current draw is zero so end result is the bulb goes out.If you use the 100pf,the cap charges instantanously so the circuit is only on for the blink of an eye.These tests were done running the xenon bulb bright usuing the cap mod on the xenon..
If i adjust the 100k pot so the xenon bulb is barely lit there is a jouleringer effect like what Seth is showing with his flyback.I have the circuit running of a capasitor and the xenon is lit drawing 100uA and quite bright on 2.3mA with the neon across collector emitter lit but the strange thing is my voltmeter has to be in parallel with the cap to get this effect so what is the voltmeter doing to the circuit?I am leaving everything as it is until i figure out what is going on
Thanks for checking out the xenon bulb mod.I was quite pleased at how that turned out and a 1000v drop in turn on voltage is great news.Thanks. I wonder how it would behave in an exciter field?Cheers.Jonny.
@Slider.Great to see you getting involved in this and can't wait to see what you create I really want to try your alternative pseccy circuit and a detailed schematic would be most helpful.Jonny.
@Seth Glad you liked the vid,i in turn like your vids and taste in music which always seem to fit perfectly with your experiments.Happy experimenting.Jonny.

[seth]

I think by giving these things our own names, we take away from those before us.

We have to give each mod, rep or circuit a name. Things would get too confusing if every circuit diagram became 'circuit diagram 346 from user 548'. Not to mention it being too much of a mouthful too. Much easier for the memory to say 'Patricks battery charger' or 'Laser's set up from the last video'....and even easier with 'ib's stove top cell' or 'Jonny davros magnet motor'.

The only name I object to is ''seth's ringer'', which, where I come from, means something completely different from a flyback oscillator.

[seth]

@Seth Glad you liked the vid,i in turn like your vids and taste in music which always seem to fit perfectly with your experiments.Happy experimenting.Jonny.

Your vid was great! I got the Xenon bulb lit....but the circuit would keep cutting out after 2 or 3 seconds. So its still not happy on the flyback. I'm getting the impression that gutted CFLs are the easiest to fire up. I want to gut some spiral ones and test this.

Im really happy you are getting such great results with the xenon - incredibly low current for firing that up. I hope I get some time this week to try and get mine firing too.

Happy experimenting to all!


WOW

Just tried a diode WITHOUT the cap, on the base of the transistor, and its really improved performance. 100 microamps and the CFL is bright as you like! The xenon comes blaring on for 3 seconds, then cuts out......hmmmm....gotta get this sorted...

[xee2]

I would be really interested if someone could try my setup with one of those cheap Goldmine flybacks -

This is an old attempt I made using the Goldmine flyback. I am not sure how it compares to what you are dooing >>>

[kcarring]

Jt Hv Xee2

In this XEE2 rep, I demonstrate a similar setup, Jt + base inductor, and added capcitance on the power rail, mainly for fireup + frequency.

[Slider2732]

Neat vid, good light output there. I'm finding that the light has different characteristics at different frequencies. For CFL's I guess it's just the same as when they first fire on mains power and the light is softer.

Following the video'd experiments of last night, I thought i'd try an old fashioned tungsten bulb in an unmodified nightlight. It runs great at 9V from the wall adapter, so current isn't as much of a problem as I expected
Exactly the same circuit, except a D1413 transistor is used and no other room light is on.



Wireless range experiments have been greatly helped by the addition of a ring of wire from an old CRT monitor. Of about 24 gauge, the ring has about 200 turns on it (a few removed for a coil wind some while ago). Only 1 HV wire needs to be attached to the approx 5" diameter ring. The wireless field is several inches all around.

[minoly]

We have to give each mod, rep or circuit a name. Things would get too confusing if every circuit diagram became 'circuit diagram 346 from user 548'. Not to mention it being too much of a mouthful too. Much easier for the memory to say 'Patricks battery charger' or 'Laser's set up from the last video'....and even easier with 'ib's stove top cell' or 'Jonny davros magnet motor'.

The only name I object to is ''seth's ringer'', which, where I come from, means something completely different from a flyback oscillator.

I truly am torn, it's not like I haven't done it myself. it's just that when I look back on all the work many of us have done, I rarely see the original inventors name on it. it makes it look like so and so's work, as if so and so is the inventor and that's it.
enough said - by me anyway...

[kcarring]

After a lot of tweaking I think I like the XEE2 circuit used in a 3.6 - 6v configuration, supplying AC to a 3-legged gooseneck lamp. In each leg, I have an AC LED 2-watt bulb. So that's three lamps, in parallel. That way I can choose if I want one, two or three on, at the switch. My cap on the base is very small now, marked 105.

I have a solar panel in my window (it's a large window, and a small solar panel).
A long extension cord runs into a room about 40 ft away that I need the light. With a single 3.6v li-ion, or a 4v SLA, the lamp runs all day and the solar easily replenshes the battery, I laid a small mirror in front of it to help it out, given its location. In good sun, the solar panel (2 actually) runs at 7.4 240mA x 2, so about 400 mA of charge. The circuit only consumes about 350 mA, at 4v. In a -very slightly- dimmer mode, the circuit burns 200 mA, and is completely quiet.

It's a great setup. A lot cheaper than running a light tube from the roof, down through my living room (yeah, it'd be in the way...) to the basement!

[kcarring]

@slider Was that an UHF radio scanner you got that center tap from? I'd like to find a consistent "item", that if I found one, I'd be likely to find a center tap tranny inside... most of the transformers I find are not CT.

[Slider2732]

Yep, here's some info on the Bearcat 12: RadioPics Database - Bearcat/Uniden - Bearcat 12
It's a shame it was broken. The aerial was missing and the mountings inside, I didn't know what it was so took it apart months ago. But, it was free from a guy who used to bring round stuff, if I fixed AC fans or whatever that he salvaged. Am building up another circuit at the moment, same as this one and to compare transformers and wireless fields. Then, on to the ringing stuff at last.

If anyone wants confirmation of what will run and what won't on the diode mod standard inverters, from standard power transistors to MOSFET's, here's my list with datasheets for all the ones I could find around here. May not be much use to those with more advanced projects, but anyway

'Runners'
Generally approx 260mA at 3V with no capacitor used.
Similar light output from all, all increase brightness and current with voltage.
Transformer ex Bearcat 12, 120K pot, RN2Z diode, 100ohm resistor on xformer to pot leg as current regulator.


NPN Transistors
C1507 BCE excellent at 1.5V http://www.jmnic.com/pdf/2sc/2SC1507.pdf
C2625 BCE http://w5jgv.com/inverter/2SC2625.pdf
C3421 ECB excellent at 1.5V http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...nc/66/7767.pdf
C3884A BCE 2SC3884 pdf, 2SC3884 description, 2SC3884 datasheets, 2SC3884 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
C4576 BCE http://www.bdent.com/v/vspfiles/down...es/2SC4576.pdf
C4793 BCE excellent at 1.5V http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...nc/66/7846.pdf
C5198 BCE http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...shiba/3226.pdf
C5387 BCE http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...shiba/3495.pdf
C5929 BCE No datasheet found
D1413 BCE http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data.../500805_DS.pdf
D1414 BCE KTD1414_07 pdf, KTD1414_07 description, KTD1414_07 datasheets, KTD1414_07 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
D1609 ECB http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...or/mXqyxws.pdf
TIP41C ECB Lowest power used - 210mA http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...INGS/TIP41.pdf
TIP122 BCE http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/TI/TIP120.pdf

N-Channel MOSFET's
Typical switch on is 4V
IRF610 GDS http://www.uib.es/depart/dfs/GTE/edu...ues/IRF610.pdf
IRF630 GDS Quick fire only
IRF730 GDS Broad resistor running range HIRF730F pdf, HIRF730F description, HIRF730F datasheets, HIRF730F view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
K794 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...41/41167_1.pdf (Japanese)
K1445 GDS 2SK1445 pdf, 2SK1445 description, 2SK1445 datasheets, 2SK1445 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
K2141 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data.../502459_DS.pdf
K2161 GDS No oscillation, quick fire only http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data..._e/2SK2161.pdf
K2182 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...gen/mXqvyz.pdf
K2599 GDS Quick fire only 2SK2599 pdf, 2SK2599 description, 2SK2599 datasheets, 2SK2599 view ::: ALLDATASHEET :::
K2648 GDS http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...ji/2SK2648.pdf
K3265 GDS http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...nc/76/3264.pdf

[jonnydavro]

Hi.Just an update on the Xee transformer Jouleringer configuration that i stumbled onto last night doing tests for Xee.
What is happening was the voltmeter was draining some voltage of the cap bringing it below supply voltage and the circuit could fire up so I replaced the paralled volt meter with 4m ohm resistance and this had the same effect with the added bonus of being able to vary the current draw from 100uA up to whatever you want.
This test was done using 16v and the base capasitor was marked 334k ,0.33uf but i think a 10m pot would be ideal..
Here is a quick vid of the test.Jonny.
Xee2 Transformer Jouleringer - YouTube

[totoalas]

good one


I think it's wonderful that we are all here sharing what we learn about how to make/reproduce the work of great minds before us.

Patrick

Patrick PEACE LOVE LIGHT as SKYWATCHER ALWAYS SAY
I was once reminded calling Slayer a SEC or a SEC Slayer
Anyway were going in the microamps and I dont want to miss the boat lol

My dodoshlodo jt charger can handle the 7aH 12 v battery but yours is a leap further in real time...... CIRCUIT PLEASE IF YOU DONT MIND

CHEERS

totoalas