Joule Ringer!

[Jules Tresor]

oops

@PB, We meant "does the circuit present in the LED bulb" help with the SJR efficiency ?
We have no doubts that the SJR is working, but we want to know if we could run self-soldered strings of 5mm LEDs instead of expensive LED bulbs.
You are doing a great job, don't change anything PB ! Cheers, Jules

[Peanutbutter29]

Oh my I'm sorry. I was not at all trying to point out that SJR works, but that YES the circuit IN the LED is helping. The varying degree of outputs are based on storage, losses, duty, Frequency and tuning. So, with less loss and better tune-ability of v1.0; I got a bit better efficiency out of the LED internal circuit and thus higher Lu/W.

For LED strings.....you mean right off L2 a string "in place of" the current A/C load, correct? From some stuff I did with a JT and the v1.0; with secondary LED's I have a thought. With a string we have a 1/2 wave allowance and a 1/2 blocking. If you put two opposing strings; (both bias directions) you will find ONE string lights more, or ONLY. So, strings will probably have an "orientation". For best efficiency we would want to utilize both 1/2 waves if possible.

With LED bulbs and cost we run into an odd situation. Low power LED "normal design with leads", have very poor lumen to watt ratios compared to newer "high power" class of over 1 watt. It seems to follow the higher the wattage, the better performance so far.
So, if we use a large string of low power at (I don't know) 30lu/W; we now have to get MORE efficiency to Equal what we are getting now. But, cost is better still.
If we move into Higher watt led's of say 2-3w; then they are at least 5.00 each and around 50-70 Lu/W. This also needs heatsinks to run much light. (this is what's in the 7.5w's)
From our purchasing power, to get 3 led's with good power and starting Lu/W and heatsinks; it would be around 20.00. We are buying exactly this, Plus a circuit for 10.00. So I perceive this Already as cheaper than DIY. Though LED prices are dropping fast.
As I mentioned, I wouldn't mind seeing this tried, though having one 1/2 wave stronger than the other; makes full power usage difficult.
The only thing I have considered, would be to try 1-2 brighter or higher Lu/w "in place of" the LED's in the bulb currently. EG- cut "Dome" clip LED and solder new on....but still through circuit.

But, ya this is related, partly, to why I believe that the apparent pulse should be a multiple of 60hz (50hz UK) when tuning for best efficiency.

I hope I answered what you are asking here, let me know if I need to refine or missed still.

sorry to post, just wanted to get it right.
Thanks, PB

Edit: thinking also, I should add more to help avoid confusion. I've said we are not in resonance and just "loosely" resonating with the load. Here I'm saying we're using the circuit; some might say how can it be both. Again, loose still means something, but also relates to the tuning logic. I haven't explained the last part of logic and this is a poor analogy; but let's assume our circuit is a Tesla Magnifier (please only for perception, as not "specifically" the case). So, our primary is the primary, our secondary is the close coupled secondary and the tertiary; our LED bulb is the remote helical "magnifier" stage. In this poor analogy that represents well; where is the power supposed to be highest at? In the helical or LED circuit . Will make more sense when I get final logic out.

[NickZ]

Slider:
I have a pile of those Ac to DC wall adapters, as well as some of the medium sized ferrite transformers. Can you explain a little about how you are using the wall warts. Are they rewound or did you connect them to the circuit the way they come?

Slayer: Nice example of low draw from your last set up, as usual.
NickZ

[Jules Tresor]

@PB, thanks again for this clear and detailed answer about LED loads possibilities

- On another subject, you mentionned, quote:
SJRC v1.0 = Apparent 151.8 Lu/W
SJRC v1.1 = Apparent 123 Lu/W
SJRC v1.2 = Apparent 116 Lu/W (unverified Ass. 6 bulbs 60% 15.2w)
SJR Tuned= Apparent 116 Lu/W ""........""
end quote

Do I understand well that SJRC are more efficient than simple SJR ??!! Does this mean that having the charging leg increases significantly the circuit efficiency ?

If yes, what kind of load on the charging leg would be better ? Battery, bank of caps (with a timer to discharge back in input battery) or a resistive load ?

PB, please don't feel in a rush to answer I just put the question here on the thread by fear of forgetting to ask you Take your time, you are very generous already
cheers, Jules

[Jules Tresor]

Was thinking about uses for SJR ... for a better world !

[totoalas]

Was thinking about uses for SJR ... for a better world !

Dont forget the 5 watts solar panel _ ZERO LIGHTING BILL LOL

TOTOALAS

[Slider2732]

@Totoalas - hehe that's how I run the system I want to expand.
An alum converted car battery charges by 3x 1.8W solar panels in the day and runs a nightlight at night. I need to use the battery more though...kinda silly to use a great big car battery for a nightlight !
I now use a salvaged 7812 voltage regulator between panels and battery. No more than 12V ever gets to the battery and, with alum batteries only ever going to a resting voltage of about 11.5V, it's about the simplest regulator method out there.
A 1 1/4" toroid version uses a 3.7V li-ion, to power a 1W Lights Of America LED bulb and that charges by an old automotive trickler solar panel, regulated down to 5V. Then a diode on the output to both stop backfeed and drop the charging down to 4.3V (toroid is 30 turns primary, 3 turns feedback, 1500 turns for HV output).

@NickZ - Ah yes, could do with explaining. The original adapter circuit board connects to the 3 output pins. Just desolder the board and it becomes a regular bare transformer. No rewinding or anything.

[PhysicsProf]

LynxSteam was kind to send me one of his air-coils for testing, with the Lasersaber 2.0 circuit; see photo. Thanks, Lynxsteam!!! Primary has 34 windings, secondary has 368 windings. I used the light box for the tests, described earlier.

Photo also shows the DSO waveform when a 13W CFL bulb was the load (left) -- approx sinusoidal. The right waveform is for a 3.5 W LED bulb -- almost a square wave. So the load clearly changes the waveform; and also the frequency of the output signal, as shown in the table.

Gotta run -- please study the table and ask questions as you wish. Shows the versatility and ease-of-use of the light box. Note that I'm only getting about 23 Lumens (out)/ Watt (in) max with this -- not bad for an air core, IMO. PButter -- thanks for your astute coments; looking forward to your runs in a light box, also others!!! We can compare; progress in increasing Lm/W. I expect the ferrite cores will do much betters. These LED lamps running on the grid-AC put out about 60 Lumens/Watt. More runs coming!

[Peanutbutter29]

@ Jules, Lol on the chart, Nice!! Is the SJRC more efficient than the SJR? Most definitely yes, I have no doubts at this point. Is the charging making this difference, nope. ALL, ALL of the advantage is that they are all Tuned for the load and bulb type/ brand.
With the SJRC's, so far, I'm still tuning for best load / light / power ratio; whatever that is.....it is. When I finish tuning; then I see if there are any places where "extra" current or oscillation may be. So, the "C" charge, is a final aspect and why charge rates are lower (excluding v1.0 and now v1.3).

I'm uploading a bit more "advanced" circuit than the previous SJRC's and it was done to try and maintain "Tuning" with a lower load. Where normally this isn't possible with the trannies like the "shack". I'm very happy with it, but it's a bit different.

With these SJRC's and particularly the new v1.3, I'm reminded of LS and the SJR 2.0 video... "NO parts! it has NO parts other than a transistor! That's what's unique,.....no caps, diodes, resistors, nothing!"

Seems, I'm in another country from that ,lol.

@PhysicsProf, Nice that Lynx sent a version! Ouch on the Lu/W though . On the light box, ya I'm waiting on the meter still from HK....supposedly mid June I think, Ugh!
At least with the old meter, the solar indicator, and previous reference; I now have 3 verifications for light. Still not perfect, but Very re-creatable, so not bad.

I'm hoping more people show values for Lu/W. I'm not sure if anyone has tried to offer it so far? I'm glad again you got to verify the Lynx.

I suppose, I went towards "get a DIY out that was still "tunable"" and at least found something alright. You'd said you were getting some of the shack parts? Were you going to try my tuned version? which one, "Tuned" or SJRC 1.2?
If you test as I show, 9 bulbs is a bit more efficient than 6, but I wouldn't consider tuning right, much outside of this. I didn't test that one, but I'm pretty sure 60%-70% output. Which is why I showed unverified with v1.2 and assumed 60%. Guess I tested all the others, but I had friends over at the time of those; and was pretty distracted.

Think I covered everything. Hope everyone is doing well!

Thanks, PB

EDIT: also at PhysicsProf....what was the source for those DSO shots? Was it from the air core or mains??
When I took apart that one 13w compact, it seems there is a small toroid for base triggers; and a push-pull step-up with bipolar's. The LED wave seems a bit chopped, is that a dimmable bulb? I wonder if they are using a triac or similar for dimmable's; if so.

[totoalas]

Super Joule Ringer Charging with Load 210512 - YouTube

With 50 to 60 ma Input with led lamps barely lit battery voltage slowly climb up
With leds off it jumped to 13.85 v dc Transistor warm with cold transformer / resistor Thanks to Peanu tbutter for the caps will add Lidmotors led indication next

totoalas


Note
for 8 pcs 5 watts @250 ma start time 1800 pm 13 v end time 1000 am 12.13 v dc sla battery 7 ah charged by 5 w solar panel

Update
With the battery supplied and load disc0nnected the transformer still consuming 270 ma one leg of output open coil with diode going to negative of source battery charges by ar leat 2 volts ex 12 can reach 14 v in 6 hours
Hope PB & all can investigate this Im still using xee2 cicuit 110 0 0 110 output / 12 0 12 input first joule ringer

thanks

totoalas

[Lidmotor]

Running straight off a solar panel-----no battery

@ All
I got the my modified Radio Shack transformer model to run two of the 7.5 watt LED bulbs straight off a solar panel with no battery attached. In the video I also compare the AC bulb to a 12 DC bulb of the same 450 lumen rating.

This is fun stuff and I think that we are all doing great with this project. Lots of good people working on it now. Slayer I'm glad that you are here. The basic circuit we are working with now is really your "exciter" circuit twisted around a bit.

Solar to 110v AC LED Bulb ---Joule Ringer - YouTube

Lidmotor

PS---Don't have a light box setup yet but with my "late night" experiment I found out that a pure white bulb gave different readings on my LUX meter than the warm white bulb. That was a troubling find.

[b_rads]

Negative Feedback

@Lidmotor:
Loved this last video, as I do all your videos. You are one of my favorite youtubers along with many of the others here who share their work on youtube. You mentioned that you had gotten some negative hits, that is soo sad.

On the only two vids that I have posted on invertors, I have gotten thumbs down as well and they have all come from Canada. One person hit me 5 times in one day, of course it only counts as one anyway. I wish youtube had a policy that required an explanation for leaving a thumbs down, maybe some of the gutless people would think twice. I will be very hesitant to post another vid on this subject. Again, this is soo sad.

Brad S

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

@Lidmotor:
Loved this last video, as I do all your videos. You are one of my favorite youtubers along with many of the others here who share their work on youtube. You mentioned that you had gotten some negative hits, that is soo sad.

On the only two vids that I have posted on invertors, I have gotten thumbs down as well and they have all come from Canada. One person hit me 5 times in one day, of course it only counts as one anyway. I wish youtube had a policy that required an explanation for leaving a thumbs down, maybe some of the gutless people would think twice. I will be very hesitant to post another vid on this subject. Again, this is soo sad.

Brad S

Just look at the number of viewers....Almost no one is searching for this kind of ''new technology''. We are almost alone out there.....But god is out there and he gets me hope.
Edit: I'm from canada and it's thumbs up all the way for me.

[Peanutbutter29]

Being Frank? Who's that?

@ Lidmotor. From your video were you talking about the dislikes? I seem to mostly get them with my SJRC videos and not if I say Super Joule Ringer 2.0. With that, and less likes; i assume people don't like me "naming" it, or the charge is too low.
I Know one of them is probably that blogger that trashed on Lasersaber and I on his site. Maybe he's haunting you too, as he believes we are killing the transistors, lol.

I had one item related to this, that may not have a better chance to present; so I'd like to express "my perception" of titles and "Why" I'm calling things as such.
I want to clarify that when I showed, potentiometer, Diode, and even caps (for reinforcement or frequency control as per video); All of these were listed as and considered merely improvements to LS SJR 2.0 "as it were". I know I'm a new guy and have to "earn a place", so that's involved; but I also wondered if some thought I was trying to take away from LS? There was an apparent.....uhmm..first hesitation from others to use the potentiometer. Also, an almost apparent.....disdain for the cap video. I perceived this, primarily to people thinking "so what, a cap; oh boy!"; so to speak. I can understand here as I related un tuned or single caps have limits to function.
When I came up with a theory for tuning, that seemed to apply in my first test; I gained confidence in this theory. Now, I was excited about this tuning method and end operation; but I knew since caps video was a flop, "who would think otherwise here?". So, I continued testing and verifying; looking for something else that could be added that "might" make people look, really look at "what" is going on.

The main starting intention, then, of SJRC; was in hopes someone would see a difference and investigate to find out. These are the only circuits (fully tuned) I've tried to separate, since in operation they are different. I know when someone understands the tuning; "why" I say separate will make more sense. Until then I can only help and hope. If everyone can know and do this to coils and "understand" how to do it; then I don't really care what is called or who wants credit.
Sure, I'm making these for situations I may practically use them (SHTF); however, I don't look for personal value / gain from things as I've stated. Here, tuning is the easier part and there's only one variable I have left to personally investigate; though it's verification. The hard part, and my hope, is for others to grab something and "do" the same thing with their own logic.

I hope that helps some know, I'm not "coining" a term, or stealing thunder. Just waving a bright red flag to someone looking / open. With words n' such I consider the meaning more important than a word anyhow.
To close here, a friend that knows I'm a hermit type and is surprised I am even posting asked; "what if you get all kinds of views or subscribers?" I responded, "well if I ever had something stupid like 1 mil views, I'd probably never be seen online again!" He laughed, argh!

So, now about naming all of this, it seems many are asking and it is an issue. I don't understand why it is, but again I've been out of research for a long time; other than browsing YT.
First we have to define "what" aspect is being disputed or decided.
--Are we considering the "oscillator" component? E.g. - Colpitts, hartley, blocking etc.
--Are we considering a "circuit" E.G JR, SJR, Slayer, SJRC, Lidmotor, etc?
--Are we considering who first created said "oscillator" component?

Obviously with the last, Tesla made the oscillator, later we use an induction coil oscillator and with transistors; there are, what 20 patented types? Last, of course mostly now crystal oscillators are used.

About considering the oscillator then? Well there seems many variations to Slayer and I've tried to look up Xee also; so I can compare all these and LS, JT, JR etc. Also, looking up patented oscillator types.
It would seem only one type of oscillator fits what all have used, and is from the 1920's. This is the Armstrong oscillator and is most essentially what all these are. Add to this, then, various "circuits" can evolve or output either Regenerative operation (like a slayer, from few scopes) or Blocking like a JT, JR, etc. All use a Tickler feedback accredited to him. Of course replace the C in drawing with the Loads we are using now.

Last then is about a "Circuit" and it's definition. Well, an oscillator is just that. Other than a sales pitch using "crystal radio" there are NO oscillators that predominate circuit design. An oscillator cannot Be a radio, or a light driver etc; but a "Circuit" can.
I suppose this is a case were we can consider "common law" as a stereotypical "right or wrong".
Simply with technology, if the device in parts, design, operation or claims; can be proven in excess of 30% different. You have a patentable "separate" device according to patent law. So, someone could patent an oscillator if it's different from those around. otherwise, a "circuit" is a total other creature and contains many "independently patented" parts.

So, to me; it seems sometimes were asking is the apple an orange. If Slayer, Lasersaber or anyone wants to claim an oscillator design, fine and that would be the proper "named" "component" in YOUR circuit.
If however, Slayer, Lasersaber or anyone wants to claim a "Circuit" design; 30% means reality and law says it IS yours.
So, then Ultimately the Slayer exciter is a "Circuit" as with the JT and JR and SJR and Lidmotor's new design. These are ALL able to be called another "circuit".
If we base on just oscillator, since no 30% change has come there; they ALL are Armstrong regenerative or blocking oscillators and NO one else.

All in all, even without looking at patents and money, each circuit has a distinction. Slayer seems more in wireless lighting and RF (from little I know about it), Lasersaber seems more onto store items and low / no parts. Lidmotor, your circuit was an excellent one and again you had intentions on tuning and such. Sure, I'm doing charging stuff too, but do feel the "tuning" is most important with mine.

Can we ever adopt one name, doubt it. Should we adopt one name; dear gosh please no! Part of the distinction is so someone says "hey, this is new WHY is it different"; rather than "oh, this is the same as a what I know; I'll just do that again"

If any of these people actually want money or a business they have to patent it first; and this is known. Some in the free energy area already have and others aren't looking for this. (I'm just glad I don't have magnets, cause I won't tell you bout' no magnets)

For me, again. I really got into this relating to prepping and this is stuff part of it too. I am not normally a type to post, but I have a compulsion, from somewhere, to do it. I'm just hoping to help if possible.
I suppose I have done some checking into patent prevention on my circuit. Looking into how to make public, so it cannot be patented. I'll have to see cost and possibility to know there.

Thanks, I tried to be full open and honest here with perception and I do not intend to upset. Sorry for long as usual. I believe once posting is done and last few works; I'll be out of all your hair . Maybe something else later will come along, I pick up; who knows

Thanks, PB

Also, I am going to finish tuning if wanted....was giving time for possible absorption of things so far. Some good points in wiki blocking oscillator page, but too long for adding those atm.

Oh PS I keep forgetting......the door is SHUT on wireless power through air; oh well. MIT has it cornered now.
Patent US8076800 - Wireless non-radiative energy transfer - Google Patents
Figures!

[PhysicsProf]

I'm uploading a bit more "advanced" circuit than the previous SJRC's and it was done to try and maintain "Tuning" with a lower load. Where normally this isn't possible with the trannies like the "shack". I'm very happy with it, but it's a bit different.

I'm very interested in building your "best" version, Peanutbutter... I have gathered 4 xformers, and I'm getting a RadioShack 12v xformer also...

@PhysicsProf, Nice that Lynx sent a version! Ouch on the Lu/W though . On the light box, ya I'm waiting on the meter still from HK....supposedly mid June I think, Ugh!
At least with the old meter, the solar indicator, and previous reference; I now have 3 verifications for light. Still not perfect, but Very re-creatable, so not bad.

I'm hoping more people show values for Lu/W. I'm not sure if anyone has tried to offer it so far? I'm glad again you got to verify the Lynx.

Right -- reproducibility and consistency are what the light box offers, I've found.
@Lidmotor -- so far, I've found that the Warm light and the "pure white" bulbs give very close to the same lux values with my little meter from Amazon as they are rated, within 3-5%. If we can get +/- 8% values on these tests, I'll be happy -- and I think such measurements will help us make solid progress (increasing Lm/W ).

I suppose, I went towards "get a DIY out that was still "tunable"" and at least found something alright. You'd said you were getting some of the shack parts? Were you going to try my tuned version? which one, "Tuned" or SJRC 1.2?
If you test as I show, 9 bulbs is a bit more efficient than 6, but I wouldn't consider tuning right, much outside of this. I didn't test that one, but I'm pretty sure 60%-70% output. Which is why I showed unverified with v1.2 and assumed 60%. Guess I tested all the others, but I had friends over at the time of those; and was pretty distracted.

I've attached Lidmotor's schematic from today -- I like it's simplicity -- that's the one I'm planning to build tomorrow. BUT if you have a better idea, pls let me/us know!

A light box big enough to accommodate 6 - 9 bulbs is not difficult; I would use three power strips in a foil-lined box. Fast calibration -- run with the full set of bulbs in place in the light box, using the GRID AC. Add up the rated lumens and measure the LUX on your meter; divide to get the { Lm/Lux ratio) for your light box (and meter).

Then, without moving any bulbs, power the bulbs up using the blocking oscillator (whatever one wants to call it! ) -- and measure the Lux output! Multiply by the Lm/Lux-ratio above, and this is the Lumens output. Finally, divide by Watts in -- voila, Lm/W!

Think I covered everything. Hope everyone is doing well!

Thanks, PB

EDIT: also at PhysicsProf....what was the source for those DSO shots? Was it from the air core or mains??
When I took apart that one 13w compact, it seems there is a small toroid for base triggers; and a push-pull step-up with bipolar's. The LED wave seems a bit chopped, is that a dimmable bulb? I wonder if they are using a triac or similar for dimmable's; if so.

Both DSO screen shots today were with the AIR core (not the mains).
The bulb was not dimmable.

Thanks for all the comments. More great vids, P-nutbutter and Lidmotor!

I have more data from this evening... need to type it in.
--Steven J