Wikileaks: Here to Save Democracy!

[bugler]

... the church (Vatican), joined with Hitler for managing to kill their eternal enemy.

History is really quite different from what we have been told.

But who dares to research it? Almost nobody.

I won't say anymore about this topic cause most people get mad at the sole mention but the information is out there (jewish historian David Cole, etc).

[jibbguy]

Hi Silver,

It is true that we are A Republic of Laws. The problem is, the "Of Laws" part has been flushed down the toilet in recent years.... and the corporate oligarchy and banks consider themselves "above the Law", and have corrupted the government to see that it's true.

We no longer are Ruled By Law... we are

Ruled By The Lawless.

[ashtweth]

Jib,Hob,Aaron /ALL

Did any one ever read about how the founder of Wiki leaks said 911 was NOT an inside job? I bet its just face book BS,i heard that from there,just wanted to see if any one remembers reading that some where?.

Ash

[RedRightHand]

Hi all,

Once again some great posts here! Good to see both for and against arguments, I am hoping to cut through a bit of the mainstream media smear campaign against Jullian and Wikileaks.

Bugler & Ash,
It would be suicide to release anything regarding Jews or Israel at the beginning, wikileaks is obviously been cautious at the beginning and attacking America first. I believe the 5th April announcement and documentary will show 9/11 was not an inside job - but the work of a group of coercive international individuals. Hence the comment on facebook.

Seth,
My understanding is that his lawyers are working pro bono, they are not been paid but are interested in the human rights angle of Jullian's case.
What have we found out? We have now got evidence for all those human rights abuses, that were assumed by conspiracy theorists, but could never be proved up until now. There is a lot of really good stuff on wikileaks that was never known before, unfortunately, you won't find most of it been reported by mainstream media. They are sill too scared of their financiers.

Sebosfao,
I also laugh when people say Julian Assange is an idiot, he has an IQ of over 170, he was able to hack in to NASA and stop the space shuttle launch in back in the 90s. He has managed to release information that no one has ever been able to release successfully, he did this by having a sound plan, he released everything first in a encrypted file - the password will be released, if the governments stops wikileaks.
What ever happens we the public are going to find out the truth!



Thanks for all your input folks, keep it coming!

Red

[Farmhand]

Well i'm not using paypal till this is sorted out. How dare they ? You don't freeze peoples funds for alledged stuff. The charges against him seem to be very minor and not worthy of all the fuss, beside's the fact the charges have nothing to do with the leaks, which is itself a bit telling.

To all the people being outed by Wikileaks, STOP doing stuff that is wrong wrong wrong. Stop ripping people off, stop hurting people for no reason, stop polluting and stop trying to control everything and everyone.

What does wikileaks do. Tell the truth as they find it, or as it is shown to them. Most of the stuff disclosed by wikileaks i'm not overly interested in, I know it go's on, i've got my eye's open. But I do believe that the truth should never be stiffled, or hidden or sanitized. It is what it is and thats how it should be looked at.

Regards all

[ashtweth]

Julian Assange's extradition: what happens next? | Law | guardian.co.uk

Wikileaks under attack: the definitive timeline | Media | guardian.co.uk

[RedRightHand]

Julian Assange's extradition: what happens next? | Law | guardian.co.uk

Wikileaks under attack: the definitive timeline | Media | guardian.co.uk

Thanks Ash!

These are two great articles. Well worth the read everyone!


Red

[Ecoman11]

The way I see it, Julian Assange could be fighting for a good cause and is truly standing up for free speech--or this whole Wikileaks propaganda is CIA co-op. You'll know it's CIA and the government if sometime in the near future they pass a new law to shut down websites, internet radio or anyone who speaks against the system. Ironically Alex Jones's Prison Planet channel on Youtube got blacklisted recently from Google; it seems to fit the theme.

Question: Why is Assange labeled a hero when Bradley Manning was the one who stole the documents? It seems like they've buried this brave soldier's story already and I guess we'll see "Free Assange" protests instead of Bradley Manning? That would be shameful.

So far there has been nothing extremely interesting that exposes US diplomats. It seems like the cables were selected to target opposing countries or diplomats with distant relations to the Us. (Russia, Iran, China, Pakistan, Yemen,..)

Question: Will we see any cables about Israel? It seems like they've been sitting nice and quite throughout this whole thing.

I hope he's real and this isn't another staged operation of the elite. If we lose our free speech we're finished.

Only time will tell what Julian Assange really stands for. Stay tuned...

Ecoman

[faramog]

Not America - SOME people in America.

True...... but then the retoric from some US politicians is pretty bad

[bugler]

P.S. Wikileaks is all over the newspapers and TV because these reporters can finally report the actual news! No longer is their only source the government script! But beware, these reporters still have the same bias and secret motives they had before Wikileaks came along!

In my opinion this doesn't make any sense.

What about journalism? You are saying that journalists are people sitting on a desk waiting for info to come to them. That is currently journalism cause the system doesn't want the truth exposed.

Journalists don't need wikileaks at all. If they wanted to unconver the truth they would do very much that by themsellved. The information is out there.

Journalists are not exposing 911 as a mossad job, the federal reserve scam, the medicine scam, the dual citizens in US governemnt, etc. They don't expose really anything but BS.

I don't just sit in my ass. I have a blog in Spanish trying to make people learn reality. The problema is that most sheeple don't want to know. Knowing the truth would force them take action and they are too lazy for that.

Cheers.

[seth]

Hi all,


Seth,
My understanding is that his lawyers are working pro bono, they are not been paid but are interested in the human rights angle of Jullian's case.
What have we found out? We have now got evidence for all those human rights abuses, that were assumed by conspiracy theorists, but could never be proved up until now. There is a lot of really good stuff on wikileaks that was never known before, unfortunately, you won't find most of it been reported by mainstream media. They are sill too scared of their financiers.

Hi Red Right Hand.

Nice of Rothschilds lawyer to work pro bono wiuth Julian. Maybe someone could ask him if he has heard of Gary Mckinnon - another hacker who seems to be having problems with extradition etc.......

The main human rights abuse story that wikileaks published was ''collateral damage'' - the video which showed the US killing reuters reporters and children. And it is absolutely right that this video managed to get leaked - shows us what the horror of war is all about. But should we be thanking Julian Assange, or the seageant who is now in prison (maybe for the rest of his life) for leaking the documents to wikileaks? His name is Bradley Manning. A true hero. And for that reason, his courageous act (which was clearly done in complete altruism, i.e with no advantage for himself....in fact, quite the opposite) will undoubtedly remain unsung in the mainstream media, who will focus on Assange.

Wikileaks, as far as i can see, have done very little in the way of ''whistleblowing''. Did they whistleblow 911? Did they whistleblow the swine flu deception? How about the manipulation of the precious metals markets? What interesting info have they provided OTHER THAN that which was provided by Bradley Manning? As far as I can see, most of the documents they leak are just ''embarrassing'', but hardly new news.

Credit where credit is due. Bradley Manning - the kind of man Julian aspires to be, but fails.

[Aaron]

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True...... but then the retoric from some US politicians is pretty bad

I agree, but I have to say the politicians do NOT represent the will of
the American people. Most Americans are good people like everyone
else in the world. The politicians are self serving and care less about
the people they are supposed to be serving.

When you see whatever policy, etc... they are pushing, it doesn't
represent the interests of the American people - it represents the interests
of the multinational corporations that are mostly owned by foreigners
who have the money and influence to use the American government as their
puppets.

And I agree with the comment on democracy vs republic.

Thomas Jefferson said democracy is nothing more than mob rule where
51% of the people take away the rights of the other 49% and anyone
pushing "democracy" has no idea what the true spirit of freedom even
means.

A constitutional republic is where freedom rings and I think that
Julian Assange is simply posting facts and what he is doing isn't supporting
a "free" democracy because there is no free democracy - it is supporting
the spirit of a constitutional republic whether anyone wants to admit
it or not. Obviously in my opinion.

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism." - Lenin
And of course socialism is the expressway to communism when it gets out
of hand.

What Julian Assange is doing is completely in the spirit of the American
Founding Fathers.

And a great quote by JFK:

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."

Is it possible that the whole wikileaks thing is a big psyops program?
Of course it is possible but if anyone thinks so, at least post EVIDENCE
about it when making the claims. I look forward to having the criminal
banks exposed for what they are and all those crooks should be
imprisoned to the fullest extent of the law.

I want to see leaks on:

free energy technologies
ufo's
medical cure coverups
chemtrails
global warming
9/11

All the hysteria about stopping wikileaks is from the very crooks that
don't want their own satanic crimes to be exposed.

[Aaron]

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Credit where credit is due. Bradley Manning - the kind of man Julian aspires to be, but fails.

I don't think Julian Assange is trying to be Bradley Manning and I think
Bradley Manning has a HUGE contribution that will probably cost him the
rest of his years. Assange said that his position is to take the heat for
wikileaks so I think keeping it in perspective is necessary.

They have two completely different roles. There are the ones that provide
info and then wikileaks has the role of posting it as it is and I think to
put words into Julian's mouth by speaking his intentions for him isn't
doing him justice.

I scanned through some of the cables and other items in the older
archives and there is some very damaging info there - anyone that
sees it as just being stuff they knew anyway or whatever simply hasn't
taken the time to comprehend the significance. Much of it, I don't
think is a big deal but a small percentage are gems that are extremely
damaging.

[seth]

I don't think Julian Assange is trying to be Bradley Manning and I think
Bradley Manning has a HUGE contribution that will probably cost him the
rest of his years. Assange said that his position is to take the heat for
wikileaks so I think keeping it in perspective is necessary.

They have two completely different roles. There are the ones that provide
info and then wikileaks has the role of posting it as it is and I think to
put words into Julian's mouth by speaking his intentions for him isn't
doing him justice.

I scanned through some of the cables and other items in the older
archives and there is some very damaging info there - anyone that
sees it as just being stuff they knew anyway or whatever simply hasn't
taken the time to comprehend the significance. Much of it, I don't
think is a big deal but a small percentage are gems that are extremely
damaging.

Would Julian be so kind as to offer Bradley the services of Rothschilds lawyer?

I agree they have different roles - one had to break the law in order to demonstrate to the world an injustice. The other had to put it on his website. Who took the risks? Not Julian, thats for sure.

Please elaborate on the damaging information. I havent heard ANY, except what Bradley provided.

[Aaron]

@Seth

Would Julian be so kind as to offer Bradley the services of Rothschilds lawyer?

I agree they have different roles - one had to break the law in order to demonstrate to the world an injustice. The other had to put it on his website. Who took the risks? Not Julian, thats for sure.

Please elaborate on the damaging information. I havent heard ANY, except what Bradley provided.

1. You can contact the Julian Assange defense page yourself and ask
if they will provide legal services to Bradley.

2. Julian's life is in danger and has quite a risk.

3. You're waiting for someone to bring it to you? Why don't you do
what I did - go spend hours all by yourself pouring through the data and
cables and make up your own mind. There is not one person in the world
who could have read everything by now.

These are just my opinions but you responded to my post. Someone
else may have something else to say.