Fake or Genius

[qvision]

Hang on guys, this is based on the German guy's magnetic motor isn't it?, he has a recent vid in German with a new small working magnetic motor and a patent on it, think he did the V gate one first or has one. Cant for the life of me think of the link now , he has a patent magnetic motor. Difference is he loaded it, and spoke of the infinite acceleration that can happen.
Ash

Hi Ash yes it was the German guy whom Clanzer was attempting to replicate in this video :

YouTube - Clanzers Replication of the German Motor

[redrichie]

does anyone have the stuff to replicate this. Even if it didnt work it would be a fun day-project. I do not have enough magnets for this or we could stop speculating. good luck

[ashtweth]

Hi Ash yes it was the German guy whom Clanzer was attempting to replicate in this video :

YouTube - Clanzers Replication of the German Motor

Thanks mate, here is his latest wonder how he overcomes it
YouTube - Der Magnetmotor von George

[Vickers]

Thanks mate, here is his latest wonder how he overcomes it
YouTube - Der Magnetmotor von George

WHAT??? Are u kidding? Did u not see the first post with the video link? A stator magnet is STATIONARY. Obviously this does not work. As proven by the childish video links u posted. Who cares if they German? Why did u post that?

[everyidea]

Thanks mate, here is his latest wonder how he overcomes it

[qvision]

WHAT??? Are u kidding? Did u not see the first post with the video link? A stator magnet is STATIONARY. Obviously this does not work. As proven by the childish video links u posted. Who cares if they German? Why did u post that?

I posted my link in order to help Ash remember who the guy was, neither of us said that it works merely that the device this thread is about seems partly based on the German guy's design. I don't particularly care that he is German either ?

You seem easily agitated, i suggest Yoga and perhaps a little meditation ...

[eclipz]

After thinking about this all day I get the feeling we're being had. Here are my concerns;

1. Music instead of real audio. Big tip off for me to being fake. I did not do this and anyone that does seams to be hiding something. Except for Imhotep, he's just on a whole other plane.

2. rectangle magnet as the stator and under magnet. These do not have a sharp enough flux pattern to cause the rotor magnets to pull it forward. For a rectangle bar magnet, the strongest point is in the center, right where it starts in the video with it contacting the start of the V. I tried this with my set up, starting at it's strongest point in the gate, it would not go anywhere and locked up. Attraction V gates work by going from weak to strong, not strong to weak. Refer to my PDF, the V starts at the weak point of the cylinder magnet and pulls the rotor forward up its strengthening flux on the ends of the cylinder magnet. Could it be magnetized like a cylinder... yes it could. But, then why not just use a cylinder magnet, their made that way.

3. Weird cut patterns on the top of the rotor magnets, they look machined. No magnets look this way. If they where just steel then ok... it would make sense. But then we fall back on question 2, not enough flux curve to get it moving, it would just lock up on the start of the V due to starting on the strong part of the flux.

4. They pulled it from their channel. They knew people would try to make it and didn't want it to taint their other video's when it was found to be fake. The old egg on one's face wins again.

So, the thing to test is if a rectangle bar magnet with the flux pattern of a cylinder magnet can pull a steel V forward. The funny thing is that I have already tested it with metal screws drilled into a wheel and a cylinder magnet could not make it move... I'm strongly leaning to compressed air but I'm still open to it working.

rw

Couldn't agree more with you. The question that pop in my head is why he remove the video and why it slow downs when he moved and then suddenly gain speed, then losses speed right when he was about to stop it. Maybe there's something under the table who knows.

Waiting for the next video in a open place and he holding this device in his hand.

[sterlingda]

Mechanical Opener for V-Gate Magnet Motor

Hang on guys, this is based on the German guy's magnetic motor isn't it?, he has a recent vid in German with a new small working magnetic motor and a patent on it, think he did the V gate one first or has one. Cant for the life of me think of the link now , he has a patent magnetic motor. Difference is he loaded it, and spoke of the infinite acceleration that can happen.

Ash

Hi Ash,

This is probably the German guy you're thinking about: OS:George Soukup V-Track Rotary Magnet Motor - PESWiki

I've created a new page about this present design at Directory: Mechanical Opener for V-Gate Magnet Motor - PESWiki

And I've created an animated gif to accompany it. I hope it's real -- seems logical enough -- but an air-powered mechanism can't be ruled out in the video.

Sterling

[Peter Lindemann]

Admitted Hoax

Hi Folks,

PESwiki is now reporting this:

Later today, Stefan Hartmann, moderator at Overunity.com wrote:

"I just received this message from Robert33...
"To: overunitydotcom

"Yes, It was a joke that I should not do! I apologize to you and all your friends who have lost time in commenting on .... The device had to operate the magnet inside a coil that I had in my shirt. Greeting, Robert"

Peter

[catchdelta]

@teslaproject, i agree this looks as if it could work, if the integral of the torques over the "continuous" V section gives the wheel momentum enough to lift the "attractor bar" essentially out of range at the point of discontinuity - and so "hop across" to the next cycle. i can imagine it'd be quite inefficient as it's running off what i'd call high order gradients in the field and not on the first or second order stuff. however, when you're getting something for nothing, the term "efficiency" is a bit silly; like dividing by zero. there might not be a lot of power available with this general class of design, but the fact is, if this works there are probably others (as yet unrealized) that work too. and perhaps some of these will give much better extraction factors.

oh, and i read the "hoax admission" before i wrote this. something in robert's shirt pocket? really? that pocket is pretty far away to be spinning up a wheel like this. so i'm still not completely convinced either way. particulars aside, i think it's an open question.

[eclipz]

Hi Folks,

PESwiki is now reporting this:

Later today, Stefan Hartmann, moderator at Overunity.com wrote:

"I just received this message from Robert33...
"To: overunitydotcom

"Yes, It was a joke that I should not do! I apologize to you and all your friends who have lost time in commenting on .... The device had to operate the magnet inside a coil that I had in my shirt. Greeting, Robert"

Peter

wow that was lame. Well GG

[Aaron]

rotary linear track motor

It could be a hoax, but lets see a video of this "coil in shirt" deal. I don't
buy that (at the moment) because it could have been attached to something
else more stable, etc... the camera didn't show the person, so what is the
point of hiding it inside a shirt. Doesn't make sense.

That method with the magnet/lever mechanism is almost the same concept
that I came up with almost 10 years ago. I didn't make the mechanism but
I could use my hand and a small rectangle magnet to spin a 10 speed rim
with magnets around it.

Many people had done linear track experiments. But I put magnets all north
out around the rim but there was a space/gap about the width of 2 magnets.

Placing a magnet orthogonally or perpendicular to magnets on the wheel
and that magnet would be at the bottom such as where a coil would be.
You hold it there and the wheel spins.

You use your hand and move the magnet down by the gap so it passes
by and raise the magnet back up when the gap passes. That works for
sure - no surprise.

I wanted to have a rod on the axle that would automatically kick a level
to drop the magnet over when the gap was there so it would pass then the
magnet would pop back up.

In any case, I'd still like to try that out. I never saw anyone else with a
linear track motor that was a rotary version like I made.

I tried it a bit about a year ago or so with a smaller wheel at my friend's
shop but at a smaller diameter, the magnets touching had too much of a
gap - bigger wheel, there were more of a rounded transition.

[Joit]

Magnets under the Shirt?
Do you know, how close you would have the be, to affect the Rotor?
This sounds as same unbelievable as the Rotor may is.
One Thing is there too, that pulling the Magnes away from the Motor
do need Force too, some 'Experts' say, the same amount of Force,
what the Magnets support to run the Rotor.
I think the only proof would be a rebuild on this
but i will save my Opinions about it because i think, more Peoples did play
with similar Arrangements of moving Levers with it.

George Soukup Magnet motor.
The latest Informations i did got from him, is that his Patent is still pending,
I did read some replys from him at another Forum,
but have to say he is a very unfriendly Person with a to big Ego,
he never did provide any usefull Infos just blame Peoples
how stupid they are, because 'He did figure it out'.
Not sure, if hes Motor really runs or only for a long time,
and slow down.
Dietmar Hohl, a Austrian works in his spare time on a similar Concept,
and anyhow they did meet eachother few times.
But his Experiments do look more clear as the Motor from Soukup.
YouTube - Magnetmotor MDS-II-4L Vermess
(with FEEM calculated)
YouTube - Magnetmotor MDS_II-Projekt_Rund

[everyidea]

Fakers need to be tarred and feathered.

[Aaron]

cogging

Even though that Milo deal was fake, Bedini did show one
vid where a magnet got past the cogging effect of a few
magnets based on the concept of what Milo showed.