Suppression document and YouTube

[jibbguy]

I wonder how the M.I.T. administrators and department heads are going to ignore this one

A Paper now on Arxiv.org, the famous physics library maintained by Cornell U. , documenting a successful Verification of the "ECat" device (that uses the "Nickle-Hydrogen gas loading" method of LENR developed by several Italian scientists)

[1305.3913] Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device

A PDF of the paper posted by Mats Lewan, reporter for the Swedish magazine "Ny Teknik" which has been in the forefront of reporting "ECat" news.

http://matslew.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/report-e-cat-ht-may-20131.pdf

This documents long-term test runs with clear overunity heat generation (average of 360 watts electrical input to create and maintain the LENR reaction; for 1,560 watts of heat output).


It takes roughly 1/2 the heat energy to produce electricity using traditional boiler/turbine/generator systems ("50% efficiency"). So the "practical" COP of the Andrea Rossi device tested would be around "2" in terms of actually generating electricity from it. He claims much higher COP's are possible, and in theory it could be so since most of the electrical energy used to maintain the reaction heats the material at the core; and a lot of that heat could be conserved in a properly engineered boiler system.

Add to that, the small amounts of Nickle and pure Hydrogen "spent" in the reaction (the Nickle is actually transmuted into copper).

Obviously nothing is going to happen overnight, but it is time for people to say:

"HEY! You have NO VALID REASON to ignore this anymore!"

And that will be what is needed for U.S. universities and the U.S. Department of Energy to stop ignoring LENR, as they have been doing for years now after it has been proved to be worthy of much more research.

[jibbguy]

More on this verification

Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas | ExtremeTech

http://lenr-canr.org/?cat=News

Rossi E-Cat HT energy density “off-the-chart” | COLD FUSION NOW!

Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device: Maybe The World Will Change After All - Forbes

[Ein~+ein]

Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device: Maybe The World Will Change After All - Forbes

Isn't this the FE Suppression thread? The pentagon and big oil know that the best way to suppress FE is to promote so many false claims that virtually nobody believes in them anymore. In my opinion, Rossi's E-Cat is no different judging by:
a) The 'called out' comment (see below);
b) Why 'finally'? You'd think 3rd party testing would be the first thing he'd want.
c) Rossi's past;
d) Defkalion's track record;
e) Pessimistic comments from even the webmaster of his E-Cat website;
f) Google's New's Search--outside of the FE sphere, only Forbes considers this newsworthy;
g) Note that the Forbes' journalist covers Sci & Tech - market trends in other words, he's not an investigative journalist or probably aware of just how pervasive fraudulent claims are in FE;
h) LENR's been on PESN's Top 5 Closest to Market for years.
i) Why even call the 'independent 3rd party testers' that when they're obviously not? I don't think the establishment academic world is worried about losing face by admitting Rossi might be on to something--he wasn't the first nor will he be the last to look into cold fusion.


I could be wrong. But if I am, then the great suppression theory will need revising.

Steven B. Krivit 1 day ago
This is a partially independent measurement, performed on a device that was built by and controlled by Rossi, and located in Rossi’s facility. The measurement was performed by some of the parties that have been involved in this scam since 2011.

The fact that the authors of the paper have stated that they have performed an independent test is a significant misrepresentation and would qualify as research misconduct by some organizations.

Steven B. Krivit
Publisher and Senior Editor, New Energy Times
Editor-in-Chief, 2011 Wiley Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia

[jibbguy]

The key to studying these subjects is to not get so invested in your opinions about them, that you have to go to extraordinary lengths to defend them when contrary information comes along.

Regarding the independent verification, it is the first one of its type we have seen published. Others have been done, but not made public yet (and others are being done still). I wonder why they would remain confidential if they had failed, i would suspect the opposite would be more likely.

And before Krivit or anyone else starts attacking the scientists who signed off on this paper, they should think a moment.... attacking Rossi is one thing (and since he made extraordinary claims and took 14 months to get this Paper done, he is entitled to it), it is another to start trying to besmirch those involved in a verification with NO reason other than they don't like being proved wrong.

Yes this thread is about energy suppression. However nothing is black and white, there are "good" and "honest" university administrators and department heads, and competent and non-controlled media (fewer every day it seems, but they exist). It is just that on the whole, NEARLY universally, LENR has been treated very badly by academia and the MSM.... and despite most mainstream news organizations being informed of this (by myself and others just to make sure they know), they apparently still won't report on it.

The Forbes articles we have seen (3 now by the same guy on LENR) are on their online page, not in the printed magazine which has a much larger circulation. So it is not exactly a front page or a dedicated prime time 2 hour special

And until we see that, or at least some decent reports, it is still under a cloud of suppression... for whatever reason be it stubborn ignorance, or corruption. Because "indifference" on such a matter doesn't fly.

Rossi is only one player in the huge subject of LENR. Several of the scientists/groups where who working on the older palladium/deuterium water bath method (also proved valid with peer-reviewed Papers, over and over), have since also tried the Gas Loading Nickle-Hydrogen method, and have confirmed anomalous heat. So again, attacking Rosssi for his showmanship and attitudes is fine, but trying to claim it is all "fake" is simply absurd.... Next they will have to explain why McKubre, Miley, Hagelstein, Godes, Storms, the people at NASA and DARPA, and literally HUNDREDS of others are "liars" too... and they simply cannot.

Interviews | COLD FUSION NOW!

LENR-CANR.org — A library of papers about cold fusion

[jibbguy]

Excellent "PowerPoint"- type Presentation at this site regarding LENR/Cold Fusion, with a comprehensive compilation of the major players.

Rossi and the ECat may be getting all the attention right now (because of the recent scientific verification), but his device is only one of many out there doing either "Nickle-Hydrogen Gas Loading", or the older Pons and Fleishmann "Deuterium-Palladium" method... most of which are also verified with peer-reviewed Papers discussing them. Nice list of links at the end.

Welcome to LENRProof.com - LENRWEB.COM - INFORMATION, PROOF, RESOURCES, MARKET

[Ein~+ein]

The key to studying these subjects is to not get so invested in your opinions about them, ...

How could any reasonable person, given the lack of substantive evidence from so many of these claims, the Rossi case being just one of them, become so invested in their opinions? I've merely supplied the other side of the case, often lacking on these forums.

As for suppression, are you suggesting print journalism is the 'controlled media' and online versions are the 'un-controlled media'? Well, that explains why forums such as this one exist.

[jibbguy]

Not sure what you mean about the distinction between the print and online versions of Forbes; but it is one thing to print an article that everyone who reads the magazine can see, and another to bury a webpage where a much smaller percentage of the Forbes readers will see it (i suspect less than 10%). The writer is a columnist who regularly contributes there and it is his 3rd article on the subject (the first 2 didn't appear to make much of a stir either).

Have we seen any AP articles on it? Or UPI? Or Reuters? Or CNN or CBS or ABC or Fox or NBC ? No, not that i have seen yet. Despite me and others contacting them last week. Going from past experiences, we are not likely too either in the US mainstream media. Cold Fusion is a "verbotten" subject for the most part, whether it is around a university board table, or a corporate media one.

And that is what "Suppression", either Media or Acedemic, is mainly about: Ignoring. Keeping the percentage of the populace that is aware it to a minumum, and below the cusp point for "breaking out" virally.

Because when these energy alternative subjects are objectively examined: "Indifference" is not a plausible excuse for ignoring them.

As for being invested, i am not personally in ECat or Rossi, but i am very much so for LENR in general; because it actually is a real and valid phenomena that deserves much greater study by universities, and public awareness by all forms of media.

I am pleased to see ANY exotic energy technology get credible Verifications: That is exactly what we need to grow grass roots awareness; and usually what is... "strangely"... lacking.

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Interesting LENR Patent here, from what appears to be a Spin-Out from the US Naval Research Lab and DARPA joint LENR project (the one featured on the "Cold Fusion Is Hot Again" CBS Sixty Minutes program from over 3 years now, the last time a mainstream media program was done on it where the US government publicly admitted that LENR was real and valid).

System and method for generating particles - JWK International Corporation

There is a great little list there of other LENR-related US Patents.

[Ein~+ein]

@jibbguy: Thanks for your comments. You've inspired me to start a separate thread on the connection between suppression and FE.

Not sure what you mean about the distinction between the print and online versions of Forbes; but it is one thing to print an article that everyone who reads the magazine can see, and another to bury a webpage where a much smaller percentage of the Forbes readers will see it (i suspect less than 10%). The writer is a columnist who regularly contributes there and it is his 3rd article on the subject (the first 2 didn't appear to make much of a stir either).

Why would suppression permit 'burying' something online which is frankly impossible. Furthermore, Forbes published a dozen articles on Rossi, the one I referred to had a whopping 93,000 views and 140 comments. That's half of what the most viewed story got.

You're right that most news sources haven't covered the story but if the topic were 'verbotten' as you claim then one wouldn't expect to find NBC covering it. On the contrary, wouldn't the press, as it did in the case of Steorn, be all over Rossi with accusations of fraud--he's such an easy target given, or maybe their afraid of slander charges.

Seems to me you're the one so invested in opinion in ignoring the obvious.

[jibbguy]

Regarding my "investment": Ah, so now i am the "problem". Funny how that works

Go back and re-read, please. I report, and analyze. People can dispute the analysis if they wish.. it doesn't bother me, sometimes i even like it, as "opportunity".

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It seems to bother quite a lot people that this Paper exists

[1305.3913] Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device


But it does.

And if some disagree with the fact that LENR is being suppressed, then i would like to see a lot more links from the mainstream media, because it would be WONDERFUL for all of us who actually care about energy alternatives to be proved wrong in this case!

... And i don't mean a bunch of pseudo-skeptics complaining about Rossi and claiming "fraud" when they really simply don't LIKE the results (...or some who are possibly paid shills trying their best to create doubt to counter a "disastrous" event for their clients' agenda)...

... i mean articles with REAL information seriously discussing LENR ; about some of the many other labs studying it (see the links in the above posts to get a list of over a dozen groups who have had great successes and are pursuing it right now, many of them commercially).

Regarding this NBC "report" : Date of it is 2-2012 ... As most of the Forbes were from 2012, except the one previously mentioned discussing the Paper.

... i think that the Verification and Paper are important enough to merit articles? Again, i and many others would love to see them... i am NOT so invested in my opinions that i don't wish for what is most important for humankind, to happen.

Nor would i and others fail to report on further CREDIBLE news regarding Rossi that did indeed cast serious doubt on the findings.... but to be frank... people complaining about it is not "news" on this forum or the others, it's old-hat

Since i do not think i am smarter than Dr. Essen or the other scientists who were "on the ground" there during the tests, i am not claiming to know better than them.

I DO know a lot about Instrumentation (being in the Test and Measurement industry for over 25 years), and so far none of the claims about it being "done badly" are credible in my opinion. It was done using many of the "industry-standard" same ways a university, or a corporate manufacturer betting millions and their future sales on a new product, would do them. Personally, i would have used a Data Acquisition System with a very deep memory and high sample rate (with a front end of the proper signal conditioners), so the data could easily be emailed around or downloaded to those interested, to be loaded into analysis software or even "Excel". That is how companies will likely do it when they commercialize it.

In the past few years, there has been another scientific Verification, that by Rowan University, of the Miles "BlackLight" system of "Hydrino" energy production (most agree it is a form of LENR). What happened with that one?

Some of the same people attacking this recent Paper, peed on that all they could as well (and again, some tried to besmirch anyone involved or even those who posted about it). And despite the mainstream media, again, being made aware of it: Silence, or as close to it as matters.

Because what matters, is 10's of millions of people hearing about it, being able to do that research for themselves, making up their own minds without you or me telling them what to think, or believe, about it.

To dis-prove Energy Suppression, a researcher would have a very long row to hoe. Again, we really do want to be "proved wrong" about suppression existing; but to do so, would be to show that a large and growing segment of the population is informed of these events and technologies by the US MSM . And that is not happening, yet, as far as research has shown (hell, they hardly even mention "Solar PV" considering it is the fasted growing industry on the planet today).

It would also mean we have succeeded in our task... but i am afraid we have not yet and have a very long way to go. We will keep at it, biased or not

[jibbguy]

As stated before, "suppression" is not always only about exotic , "free energy" devices and technologies; but could also be about "game changing" conventional alternative energy techs (such as highly efficient solar pv as mentioned in the "thread-starting" document that governed which Patent Applications were to be "secretized" by the US government).

This is an interesting development (though perhaps a sad one):

The "FloDesign Wind Turbine" was a revolutionary design, that claimed 3 times better efficiency and lower cost than the large "prop-job" wind turbines usually seen (...a market dominated by General Electric corporation in the U.S. ). It would also allow for de-centralized energy production... and destroy most of the negative points about wind power that the energy corporations use in their propaganda against it... such as: it is easy to "exclude" birds from, can operate in both higher and lower wind conditions, is nearly silent, is close to the ground so the "natural beauty" of the area is not "polluted" (lol that one always makes me laugh), and it would be a lot cheaper per megawatt to build and install. It could also be easily incorporated into the sides or roofs of large buildings.

FloDesign :: Aerospace Technologies Everywhere

Recently I checked back there, as i have done several times over the last 3 years since it was first reported on in a few science online magazines, to see the "Progress". Mention of the wind turbine has disappeared from the site (replaced by a variety of "Homeland Security" products including "non-lethal weapons").

The short animated video that did a good job of describing and demonstrating the technology is gone too.

Wind FloDesign Wind Turbines based on Jet Engine Technology display 3-4 times Higher Efficiency


In case the last available photo of it disappears too, here it is




I believe many of you read the previous posts about it and remember this one.

Is it a "good" example of suppression? Hard to say for sure, i have yet to hear back from them from my email asking about it. Was it sold off, and "shelved", by G.E. or another corp? It was reported to have been awarded funding by several high-power entities, and the U.S Department of Energy. It was not something plausibly likely to be just "dropped" because they got bored with it

Note that in the above article, it reports that the entities that signed on to fund the project included "Goldman Sachs".

In the removed video, it described an interesting vortex effect in the "exhaust" turbulence after the turbine blades that was the reason it was so efficient. Rather "Schauberger-like" ; but with air as medium not water.

EDIT: I went back and found the other article on this subject, on this same thread from over 2 years ago... and the video is still on that one. And i now remember something odd about it since re-reading that post: It was the only time that i know of, where a post was removed (or otherwise "disappeared"), without my action on our "Free Energy Facebook Group" (...since i am the only admin of it). Since after that time, the group got "reset" when FB "re-did" the Groups, and a lot of the older posts got wiped; and i had forgot about that strange happening from before the "re-set".

Wind Turbine Concept Inspired by Jet Engines

[jibbguy]

Regarding the above post, "FloDesign Wind Turbine" :

I got an email back from them stating they are in "stealth mode". So they didn't sell it off apparently (if that is the truth). I am not sure why they would feel the need to do that, it makes no business sense at all.

That sounds like the result of having Goldman Sachs finance it. Last time i checked, some of the Board Members of General Electric were also on the Board of Goldman Sachs.

Sometimes it takes posting about these things to get any reply at all

[jibbguy]

Just as an FYI about the price of solar these days:


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Surrette Rolls Battery 6 Volt 400 Amp Hour S-530
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Nonfused SQD DU222RB 60A 240VAC Disconnect $137.60

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... Recently seen at "Sunelec" (.... just as an example, i am not advertising them)

Solar Panels, PV Systems and Inverters Distributor

3-4 years ago it would have been over $40,000 . Their excuses are getting pretty thin as every talking point gets deleted

Note that this is a pretty comprehensive hybrid system, with Grid Tie and large batts (about all that needs added is labor, permits, and the mounting solution). It can be done about 1/2 the parts cost for off-grid only, or about 33% less with grid tie and a much smaller battery bank. You can also get a much cheaper battery solution, especially if you live in an area where large industrial batteries like they use for electric tow-motors (fork lifts) are reconditioned and available "used" (subtract around $2,800).

Maybe substitute in a Bedini Renaissance pulse charger to help keep the batts healthy and efficiently charged.

Now, what do you pay the electric utility corporation PER YEAR for power? Take that figure and divide it into the above, to get your Return of Investment period. Then factor in the beauty of telling them to go to hell, and your bragging rights with friends... helping to end the monopolies... and the security of having power during storms or brownouts. Or if you are lucky enough to live in an area that "buys back" power when there is excess (grid tie "running the meter backwards"), how much that will pay?

Fabulously rich electric utility corporations get $60 billion in guaranteed loans from the US treasury to build new fission nuclear plants NO ONE BUT THEM AND G.E. WANT (and that they keep all the profits from)... when that same money in low interest loan guarantees would help provide solar power for over 500,000 American homeowners. BTW that power capacity would eclipse the amounts from the new nucs at least 4 to 1, and be installed in 1 year instead of over 10 years, what it takes to build the nucs. It would generate at least 5 times the numbers of jobs that the nucs did, and it would drive down prices even more via Economy of Scale. And perhaps most importantly, it would be infinitely safer.

But then FirstEnergy, GE, and the others wouldn't profit from it... and actually lose profits as more and more of their customers tell them their 100 year monopoly reign of pollution and over-pricing is finally OVER.

[jibbguy]

Sad to report the death of a major player in LENR/cold fusion research,

Professor Sergio Focardi of University of Bologna, Italy.

Sergio Focardi Dies | E-Cat World

He was elderly, and ill.
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In this article, we see that the CEO of National Instruments is on board with LENR .

James Truchard of National Instruments to share Keynote Address at ICCF-18 | COLD FUSION NOW!

[jibbguy]

In this one, we see Wikipedia up to their old suppression tricks (attempting to delete a reference to a scientific conference on LENR being held at U. of Missouri, that dozens of prestigious academics are attending, and will even have a speech given by the CEO of National Instruments).

They really have no plausible explanation for this one.

ICCF page on Wikipedia considered for deletion | COLD FUSION NOW!

[jibbguy]

A Senator stands up on the floor of the Italian Parliament and calls for more LENR research.

Italian Senator lobbies Parliament for action | COLD FUSION NOW!

May not sound like much in itself, but every time this happens (as also recently happened in Sweden), and it being discussed in a major EU scientific conferences and at CERN (as also recently happened).... It helps with Public Awareness, and getting in to the Public Record. More people who know about LENR, the faster we will see it embraced and widely engineered into replacement boilers and/or "pre-heating tempering systems" for coal and fission nuclear plants.

They can now only "hide it in plain sight" and hope few of us hear about it.

Our job is to dash that hope