Vortex Tube

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[Jetijs]

Vortex tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It works, but is not very efficient, about 20% or so. I have a small commercial tube, it needs lots of pressure to work properly. The cold side can reach -12 degree Celsius and the hot side up to 80 degrees. But the cold air volume is very small. Anyway, interesting little thing.
Here is one of the sites you can get them commercially:
EXAIR: Industrial Spot Cooling Solutions using Vortex Tubes

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[sebosfato]

Well, i finally understood

An internal combustion engine, when compress the air, it actually is creating a high density of thermal energy from ambient, when you inject air witch is of lower temperature, you are able to extract the energy present in the ambient temperature and thats why the temperature comes out lower than went into the motor.

Very cool indeed.

[sebosfato]

I would like to have some money to buy a diesel engine, and to modify it to run this way, however i would try to add some water instead of air and also some hydrogen to favor the extraction of the ambient energy into movement.


If anyone want to join, few free to help in any way.

[sebosfato]

If anyone is interested in seeing the video i posted it here: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...

[thedude]

another version of Vortex tube i believe

I believe that this fellow Joe in B.C. has a similar device called a "Joe Pipe" Haven't followed his work in a little while, nor have i replicated, but i have plans to do so with gasification at some point.
Heres a link to his device. Will do some more reading here in a bit. Supper time!

Joe Pipe video

Hope that it was applicable.

Edit>> Not really applicable now that i read a bit more. Joe's is a different beast, but may have similar vortex related effects as far as efficiency is concerned.

[Lutherman]

great post, thank you

The air engine you describe sounds like Lee Rogers' engine which was a 4-cycle air engine. At some speeds the car was able to keep its own tanks full. He had two patents if you want to see them, google Leroy K Rogers.

I have to study your post more carefully. Can you tell us the name of the inventor and where they live?

Regarding the vortex tube, I read that if it is adjusted too far to one side, the cold end will actually induce atmosphere instead of blowing cold air out.

I wonder if you live in Italy, can you try to find out what happened to air engine inventor Antonio Soro? He lived in Australia but had some very bad problems and had to go back to Italy to join the army, it was that or life in prison in Australia. However I think his engine was for real and he had witnesses saying so. He returned to Italy in 1918 to join the army, is there any way I can find out what he did with the rest of his life?

Thanks,
Luther
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[sebosfato]

Thanks thedude, i will get a look into that.

Lutherman, thanks for the compliments.

I will check this lee rogers engine, thanks.

I don't live in italy now, so i think all we can do to find out this will be on internet. We could ask tutanka thought, he might know this.

My belief is that i'm able to create a better world. We can if we want and believe. Every single action can make a better world for only being in the right direction.

This thing about extracting energy from the ambient to make the engines run, is incredible simple and intelligent in concept. The sun provides a great deal of heat everyday, witch gets lost into space. If we use the ambient heat energy the ambient will not over heat too. Over-unity? The sun?

I created a new thread on ionizationx to discuss this novel way to extract energy from the ambient. How to extract energy from ambient by sebosfato

[Lutherman]

lots of info

You have an intuitive grasp of this topic. Thank you for sharing, because it gives us all another perspective to work from. I hope you will pursue your world-changing ambition, and I hope when you find the answer in the workshop you will still want to share it with the world.

Keep in touch,
Luther

[sebosfato]

Yes, thanks, now is all about constructing it. I would make it with diesel engine as to be able to extract even more energy due to the higher pressure, I will also modify the inside parts for bronze or cooper parts as to be able to extract even more energy.

I will than use water as expandable fluid as i believe would be easier to compress with a pump and inject directly.

I will probably make a thing for heating the water while creating a bit of h2 and use the pressure developed to pump the water. I think 500 watts is more than enough for this part, as i already made other experiments on the field. Than just need to adjust the valves.

I would like to make it on a small 4 cylinders diesel engine.

[tuzi]

Vortex Tube

Your original question about a vortex tube ...

The cold part pass in the middle of the vortex just like a twister

Actually the Ranque-Hilsch Tube has to have 2 vortexes to remove the heat from the air. ( or even works with liquids).
In the 1980's I bought a vortex tube as a repair tool to diagnose automotive problems especially with carburetors. They would by handy to freeze a bimetal choke coil, or cool a temperature sensor to test its ability to change resistance.

See THIS VIDEO

These things really work.

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[Gdez]

Check this out too;

Going's on of Otto's Pastimes

and

YouTube - OttoBelden's Channel

He has directions to build vortex tube and cool videos showing the process.

[tuzi]

Vortex tube is not so unique in increasing temperature as much as its ability in decreasing the temp.