This is it !

[FRC]

Farmhand Can you help ?

Off topic here but can you check my posts at. Free Energy step by step thread.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

FRC

[7imix]

I have not seen negative inductance but I have seen zero inductance on a bifilar coil... Is the pancake bifilar?

Can't always trust those meters since they ping the coil with a certain frequency and calculate values from that, the calculations could be wrong for certain weird coils... But they are better than no measurement tool at all.

[Farmhand]

FRC I made a post for you in the other thread then I came back here and you posted here, I must have read your mind, or you read mine. WOW.

7imix, yeah it's a bifilar serial connected pancake, built the same as my conical coil on the garden light lenz but flat. I connected the conicals in series as well and got negative also, I made a mistake the pancake is -4uH and the conical is -8uH. I think i'll just say they are zero. I don't like to think of the possible implications of negative inductance, it's most likely not even possible. All my meters do wierd stuff it's really annoying. Maybe I use them too much. Battery could be bodgey too, it's a cheapie came with the meter.

[FRC]

That's Amazing !

What got me going back to that fan in the first place was something someone
posted on the Lockridge thread and now I see that in its present state I could make a small commutator and have a Lockridge type setup. I just might go in that direction with this now and get another three inch fan for the Bedini setup.

Thanks again for your response.

George

[cikljamas]

Next time I go to town i'll get some 330 ohm resistors for the opto's. And those 4047 chips for an inverter.

Farmhand, two mosfets inverter tested, reslults good, see stingo thread,
stop.

p.t.(post telegram) : i am glad you laugh so much, and i am glad you
do not drink too much any more, and i am glad that my posts are also
one of the reasons for your often laughing because it is going to produce
immortal Farmhand since people say laughing extends the life length...

Did you know that Tesla had claimed that he was going to live 100
years just by drinking a cup of whiskey every morning...

But he could not foresee that cab in New York which hit him deliberately...

Cheers !

[gmeast]

winding

Yippee, some stuff came, I got my nano scope, inductance meter and a box of componants, I forgot what I ordered, but I have 12v regulators, op-amps, 4011 chips a couple of IRFZ46N Fet's, some tiny caps and some normal 1mm magnet wire.

I measured my serial pancake and it has a negative inductance -4uH, And my serial conical is -8uH What does that mean ?

My new very small desulfator coils are 60uH they should be 200 at least, the first one I made is 268uH which is good enough, the core material must be very different type of iron powder.

This nano is difficult to understand but i'm getting there, hopefully later I can measure the shortest on time I can get.

Cheers

P.S. Couple of shots attached. What do they mean ? Except that I havn't worked out how to use it properly. The PWM pulses are a bit slopey but it doesn't seem to have too much effect on the recovery waveform. All these settings are confusing.

Hey Greg, have you cut up your primary yet, cause I was thinking maybe you could wind one primary winding correct turns, without cutting the wire then leaving a bit extra you could cut that one unwind it and use it for measuring the other two against. Gee wizz, I should have thought of that before, there could be left over wire like you said.

Hi Farmhand,

That's not a bad idea. The smaller ga. wire will be much easier to handle and straighten back out, then wind again. (I just think "wind" should be spelled "winde" ... no one ever passes 'winde' ... only wind ... see? But if you're winding then does that mean you're passing wind or winde(ing) a coil? Or is 'winding' correctly spelled 'windding'? This is all so confusing).

I guess I better try and figure out what the tuns should be considering they sold me 'fat' insulated secondary wire and I only got 116 turns instead of the 130 - 140 I should have ... I'm very disappointed in that!

I'll take your advice ... and maybe I'll have some of my 20ga. left over for other things like I did the secondary wire ... this wire just 'feels' expensive and special in some way(s).

Later

[Farmhand]

Hi Greg,

That's not a bad idea. The smaller ga. wire will be much easier to handle and straighten back out, then wind again. (I just think "wind" should be spelled "winde" ... no one ever passes 'winde' ... only wind ... see? But if you're winding then does that mean you're passing wind or winde(ing) a coil? Or is 'winding' correctly spelled 'windding'? This is all so confusing).

Hahah, I just hope when I start winding mine I don't start whining about it and hit the red wine.

It is a bit of a shame about that seconadary, but I think mine will likely be the same. I won't worry too much if it is. We can only fit what fits on i guess.

I'm very glad you hadn't started the other way I suggested, I totaly missed the point you were making. The left over wire will be very usefull thats for sure.

Have a look at the specs for this HV module - c.o.p. 4, 110 watts in 450 watts out.

15KV 30mA 110vac Neon Sign Transformer Solid State (eBay item 180253814390 end time 30-Jan-11 09:32:54 AEDST) : Business Industrial

I'm going to sell some eggs, save up the money and buy one of those in the near future, then I will make a youtube video "Overunity from the Store" or "Free Energy Devices on the Market" we should all buy one and go to our local universties and Gov. member and ask them what is going on and why they cant be made to convert the gain back down on a large scale device for free energy. Maybe if we poke it in enough faces, some professor with a concience will jump on board to raise awareness. Time is running out for the deception pusher's the whole Alternative energy community is closing in on them from all side's, They might be well advised to release some free energy secrets soon or they will miss the boat.

Where are the greenies and the welfare givers. The foreign aid people could give free energy devices to improve the lot of the people in poor countries.

Cheers

[gmeast]

Cop

Hi Greg,



Hahah, I just hope when I start winding mine I don't start whining about it and hit the red wine.

It is a bit of a shame about that seconadary, but I think mine will likely be the same. I won't worry too much if it is. We can only fit what fits on i guess.

I'm very glad you hadn't started the other way I suggested, I totaly missed the point you were making. The left over wire will be very usefull thats for sure.

Have a look at the specs for this HV module - c.o.p. 4, 110 watts in 450 watts out.

15KV 30mA 110vac Neon Sign Transformer Solid State (eBay item 180253814390 end time 30-Jan-11 09:32:54 AEDST) : Business Industrial

I'm going to sell some eggs, save up the money and buy one of those in the near future, then I will make a youtube video "Overunity from the Store" or "Free Energy Devices on the Market" we should all buy one and go to our local universties and Gov. member and ask them what is going on and why they cant be made to convert the gain back down on a large scale device for free energy. Maybe if we poke it in enough faces, some professor with a concience will jump on board to raise awareness. Time is running out for the deception pusher's the whole Alternative energy community is closing in on them from all side's, They might be well advised to release some free energy secrets soon or they will miss the boat.

Where are the greenies and the welfare givers. The foreign aid people could give free energy devices to improve the lot of the people in poor countries.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand,

We must find a way to verify these specifications. Every HV neon-type transformer seems to have these sort of specs. If you or I were to come up with a practical way to harness the COP>1 prformance and convert it to a 'safe' practical level (from our point of view) the folks at all levels of government an municipality will ground it, shield it and screw with it to the point that it no longer works, or simply ban its use because of the 'potential' high voltage danger(s). They could get away with it in the name of safety and the law(s) would back them.

If you look at allot of Tesla stuff, his pulsing systems use a 'grounded' motor spinning a commutator that acts as the circuit interrupter. Nowhere in the output-side of those devices do you find things taken to a common or ground ... the work end stands alone like in a lighting system. And I'll bet that's the trick with these HV transformers ... there's no 'ground' for a neon tube light.

Maybe we should thank the the neon tube transformer people for manufacturing OU systems and staying under the radar and unwittingly achieving our goals for us. Don Smith uses (used ... is he still alive?) a battery running an inverter to power these HV transformers which he says is common to many of his devices.

I want one! Later

[Farmhand]

Hi Farmhand,

We must find a way to verify these specifications. Every HV neon-type transformer seems to have these sort of specs. If you or I were to come up with a practical way to harness the COP>1 prformance and convert it to a 'safe' practical level (from our point of view) the folks at all levels of government an municipality will ground it, shield it and screw with it to the point that it no longer works, or simply ban its use because of the 'potential' high voltage danger(s). They could get away with it in the name of safety and the law(s) would back them.

If you look at allot of Tesla stuff, his pulsing systems use a 'grounded' motor spinning a commutator that acts as the circuit interrupter. Nowhere in the output-side of those devices do you find things taken to a common or ground ... the work end stands alone like in a lighting system. And I'll bet that's the trick with these HV transformers ... there's no 'ground' for a neon tube light.

Maybe we should thank the the neon tube transformer people for manufacturing OU systems and staying under the radar and unwittingly achieving our goals for us. Don Smith uses (used ... is he still alive?) a battery running an inverter to power these HV transformers which he says is common to many of his devices.

I want one! Later

Yes your probably right, but the main thing would be that the deception of thier bogus laws of energy would be dissolved. People would see that free energy is possible and demand a fair deal. How do we know the power companies don't already use free energy devices to suppliment thier profits ?

It would seem to me that a lot of people in industry are aware of this and either don't want to reveal it, are too scared to reveal it, or for other some reason, I refuse to believe the professional installers of neon signs are not aware of this. The manufacturers definately are. It seems to me that just making the things to work like normal c.o.p. > 1 is unavoidable. I can't see all the neon signs getting taken down to hide it. Cats out of the bag, unless all the manufacturers are lying about the input/output figure's.

I don't think they are lying.

cikljamas, if you are serious about finding OU and revealing it, buy a neon sign transformer and find a way to test the input/output power. And you should have a c.o.p. 4 device without even warming up the soldering iron. As for me I want more than to prove something to someone else. I want some really cheap power in large enough amounts to run my overclocked computer. Everthing that runs from electrical power 24/7 should have its own solid state power multiplier if it's possible. I'm sure if they can make a c.o.p. 4 neon sign transformer they can make something safe to multiply power for anything.

Where are the electrical engineers, to verify this ? Ahah lamare is an EE, and he's not afraid of anything .. He'll give it to us straight.

lamare, if you read this could you give us your thoughts please ? Maybe we are missing something.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

It is interesting, this NEON POWER SUPPLY, i do not see where you can
read specs about it, it is not viewable at that page, but what is more
interesting is this : how we could replicate it?

For example i posted here Bedini solid state radiant pump schematic,
than we concluded that this pwm is mystery, but even some simpler
versions of Bedini solid state circuits are reported as not self sustained
as it should be, so much about Bedini solid state..., but we always have
similar story, it is just so frustrating that i would like to be Captain Bligh
for some time and pull some guys below Bounty to see how is that when hungry sharks are chasing them in the middle of Pacific ...

I would be much more calm just if i knew who is here idiot ?
If i am idiot no problem, i can stand it, but if i am not idiot than
somebody @#$k me in my mind, and i do not like that !

And i think nobody likes to be @#$ked in his/her brains, but i tell you,
we have to proof that OU if it is there, and we have to reveal it very
same moment when we proof it, but i just can not believe that always when someone (like Watkjyky) gives that kind of proof, someone make a call
and threat him, are we all cowards ?...And for example Stan Mayers, he
was not coward, he was real hero, and no one is restrained to replicate
Stan Mayers inventions...But these things are maybe more complicated
because there is a lot of mechanic, not just electronic, but it works, and
i do not see problems with this particular stuff, but concerning electronics
(SELF SUSTAINED SOLID STATE CIRCUITS) there is unclear situation, and
i do not know if we just do not know how to make some last steps to make
these stuffs to be OU, or there is still no OU in this field !

And after all, i would like at least to know for sure !
And i could not know it FOR SURE if there is no 100 % PROOF for that !
Is there ?...I feel as donkey : there is carrot in front of me, but i just
can not bite that carrot no matter how fast i run !

I will bite someone instead of something (carrot) !

Guys, what do you propose to put after that neon power supply
in order to achieve OU closed loop ?

Cheers !

[gmeast]

Yes your probably right, but the main thing would be that the deception of thier bogus laws of energy would be dissolved. People would see that free energy is possible and demand a fair deal. How do we know the power companies don't already use free energy devices to suppliment thier profits ?

It would seem to me that a lot of people in industry are aware of this and either don't want to reveal it, are too scared to reveal it, or for other some reason, I refuse to believe the professional installers of neon signs are not aware of this. The manufacturers definately are. It seems to me that just making the things to work like normal c.o.p. > 1 is unavoidable. I can't see all the neon signs getting taken down to hide it. Cats out of the bag, unless all the manufacturers are lying about the input/output figure's.

I don't think they are lying.

cikljamas, if you are serious about finding OU and revealing it, buy a neon sign transformer and find a way to test the input/output power. And you should have a c.o.p. 4 device without even warming up the soldering iron. As for me I want more than to prove something to someone else. I want some really cheap power in large enough amounts to run my overclocked computer. Everthing that runs from electrical power 24/7 should have its own solid state power multiplier if it's possible. I'm sure if they can make a c.o.p. 4 neon sign transformer they can make something safe to multiply power for anything.

Where are the electrical engineers, to verify this ? Ahah lamare is an EE, and he's not afraid of anything .. He'll give it to us straight.

lamare, if you read this could you give us your thoughts please ? Maybe we are missing something.

Cheers

Hi all,

At the time I just though I was not understanding things but now I know what I'm looking at. In the past, I have observed very peculiar behavior from the humble isolation transformer. These things seek their own local field to operate in and are not grounded. These HV transformers are very isolated. So I suggest that all one needs to do is build a small motor designed to run on high voltage. This will have to do with wire size and core & armature materials. Of course you will need to use high frequency materials for these also even though these HV transformers spec at 60Hz. This device should be a synchronous AC motor but designed to run at the HV output of these transformers. Yes, it would be a job to design a synchronous AC motor for HV, but if it is COP 4 then use conventional design practices just like designing for 110, or 240, 480, or 960. In the US, these are real supply voltages (the 960 is rare).

Any synchronous motor designed using conventional rules will run at 75% efficiency at the very worst. So:

75% X 400% is still 300%. Who would b*i*t*c*h about that?

Later

[gmeast]

tape

I got my free role of 1" wide yellow 1P802 tape from Loadstone Pacific ... where B.B. recommended.

More at eleven. Later

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, can't you view the link ? Is your internet filtered ? Here's another one- 15KV 30mA 110vac Neon Sign Transformer Solid State (eBay item 180253814390 end time 30-Jan-11 09:32:54 AEDST) : Business Industrial

I copied the specs into a screen capture too, in attachment below.

Oh yeah my wire is here. That was quick, maybe they shot it here by cannon. Looks good to me, it is thinner than I expected but if it's correct i'm very happy, the 16 will be easy to straighten, no probs.

So I must give a plug to Hydrogen Garage, those guys are great they are really helpfull people. Price was very reasonable too. And I also got a nice Hydrogen Garage sticker for the fuel cell.

Which reminds me i've had a few people ask me about hydrogen cells for vehicles, and I point them to Hydrogen Garage. Now that cikljamas mentioned it yesterday I think, I might have a go at putting a small cell into my paddock car, when I get time. I could drive it more then.

I'll post a pic when I get the first winding on, could be a while cause it's raining again and I have things to do. Greg if you hadn't got your tape I might have caught up to you. Do you have something to insulate the windings as they come out through the others, like Bob suggests ? I don't have the stuff he suggests but I might be able to get some from my friend here, not sure. Its fibre insulation sleeving stuff, I think.

[Farmhand]

Free tape

Hey Greg, I see you got your tape free. Not a bad deal, who said nothing is for free, that saying just gets sillier and sillier every day. Is that how to spell sillier or is it sillyer ?

OK now I have some important questions. I bought another toroidal transformer today this one is 2 x 12 v / 240 v it's 300 VA, so of course I measured the inductance or tried to, the 240 volt winding reads 1.2 Henries which surprised me the 12 volt windins are .3 ohm but the meter is out of range on the 20 Henry setting. The 12 v windings are two wires about 1 mm joined together. So my questions are.

Do these inductance readings seem strange ?

Do you think I can pulse the 12 volt windings in an inverter arrangement and tap power from the 240 winding ?

It doesn't bother me if I can't I will use it as a step down anyway, it's rated to 12.5 amps per 12 volt winding. So I can maybe 30 amps from them both in parallel or 12.5 in series. If I can I suppose I would have to reverse calculate how much current I could draw through the 240 volt winding.

I just thought maybe I should short the windings i'm not measuring ! No ?

Pic

http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/y1phN-gSZxTuuWpBizR4UE9l7XQtoK0QjTii940Ba28e7Nth_A3xSHGoer13amYc8mmunOA6bpnAy_3Qj7Dp7x0cpLlERrtcFRi/Transformer%20001.JPG?psid=1

Cheers

EDIT..... This thread is getting too big, I just went looking for your pic of the core wound with wire. I found it but it took a while, thread almost needs an Index. OK Here's the 16 AWG straightened a bit and wound onto a 300mm x 60mm bit of PVC.

http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pr4RGNxHxRjYmwidAdmyIs4Hpx3BSMghM4MTqnm4k6sABk3tYVPQiVNqUjL3l54fkwVE4IF759NuobrI3wFGhnMNpMUruBB-S/Wire%20001.JPG?psid=1

This wire is as tough as nails. I had to use gorrilla tactics to get it on there like that. Looks good to me I should state for clarity that it was my choice to buy some pre-wound wire a bit cheaper rather than wait for more stock to come in as they were temporarily short of stock, and they were doing me a big favor, so thanks again H.G.

[Farmhand]

Hey Greg, I think i've devised a way to keep the wire under control while whinding it I just wound it on this piece of flexible pipe and put a strip of tape between each winding, that way only one layer can come loose. I hope ! After the first one I folded a bit of the ends so I could peel it off easier. Hows that. Cool wax hey. When the wire is wound on the flexable pipe the pipe pushes back and holds it taught because of the tape. I hope !

http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pKlbvKDU9ZB9ttEKxSoXlCCSvM8AX8fxDWUQu0GH6YxggVbO8XvnqF97Zbk4FRXV2EnHCBdaybCOkXAyTDzMtvFnRn4XU6YDa/Winder-1%20002.JPG?psid=1

Yes the wire ends are bare. Did I pulse it ? Not yet. Any idea exactly how much wire you had left over ?

Here go's nothin.

OK so the flexable tube is no good, I had to put a screwdriver inside it so it wouldn't collapse when I pulled real hard on the wire. But taping the layers works really good so far. I'll make a short video of a few winds how i'm doing it, incase anyone is interested later it might save them a little bit of time. Maybe.

Here's what I done till first break, I straightened it out a bit then put some wax on there to hold it, now when I start again i'll get a few winds on video.

http://9xfdag.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pM5-8qiyVBN95JOwOsbyog7EB0m39Wo6HpmpvuDxG-vDTDuNkeQwtKUIB0k80tyXY7FloR_rBA_FnhZnT0NohqKX1CWnhQc6l/winding-22%20001.JPG?psid=1

Greg I got that small etch tank, it'll take a while to work it out, so i'll read up on it then get some board path drawings or whatever they're called, sorted somehow for the circuit layouts we want. Tanks only small but if it works well I have already got some appropriate trays large enough for big boards. I'll just need more sodium persulphate, it says on the packet.

Cheers
.