This is it !

[gmeast]

three thingys

I thought it might be worth a mention that in Tesla's time I don't think they had a way of actually measuring frequency. I think that is why we see in documents the phrases "reletively high", "high", and "very high frequency".

Now unless a spark gap was used they would have been restricted in operating frequency relative to the number armatures or commutators or whatever and the speed they could rotate them at, (excluding resonant causes).

So it stands to reason to me that the phrase "high freqency" would probably refer to the Khz range, probably only the lower part of it and the phrase "very high frequency" would have been anything over that.

So i'm thinking for the effects we want, really high frequencies will not be necessary, just better. A bit of accuracy and phase adjustment should be all that is needed.

Of course the sharp rise and fall times are important, in my opinion.

Well thats how I see it, we really do need to swirl it and put some extra wire in there that we are not directly pulsing (secondary).

There is obviously no harm in having a secondary in there. Going by the vids.

The secondary might be the origin of another different frequency.

Cheers all.

P.S. I've just discovered IC sockets are very usefull. and cheap.

Hi Farmhand,

Agree on all. Too many people have an image of Tesla as being 'precise' with regards to settings and measurement. As you pointed out, they just simply did not have the instruments then, that we have today. He was most concerned with the system's 'relative' relationships to its basic components and the components' 'relative' relationships to each other. He also used huge energies and as I suggested in an earlier post, there wasn't quite yet the concern over energy technologies because the power brokers, control freaks and oil barons had yet to realize their collective potential to control us. Although Westinghouse certainly had that mindset.

Anyway, what did you think about my suggestion that there might be three distinct events ... open a ZP 'crack', extract, close the crack. Since I am not sure of how the program in the video sequenced the 'pulses', I can't say, and we'll probably never know for sure ... we'll have to discover that need for ourselves if it exists.

I'll bet there is a closed forum somewhere watching what we do here.

Later

[Farmhand]

G'day Greg.

Yeah I think your right, there would have to be three events, just like you say. I think we only need to do two of those, Crack the backround and extract, the backround returns to it's original state all by itself. It must or we would be in trouble. I can only imagine what would happen if it didn't.

Thats half the problem is doing the extract or (attract) part the best way to maximise the oppertunity presented by the crack. The other half is to be able to crack the backround efficiently enough to be able to get an overall power gain by the end of each cycle.

Getting back to the extraction or attraction of the backround energy, the energy from the collapsing field is attracted towards the positive of the battery it is directed to, in other words it actually wants to go back to where it came from, in a "normal" setup the the field collapse is attracted towards the positve of the source battery but it is directed through the charging battery first. Isn't it ?

I think we should think of attract rather than extract (same thing I guess), we don't want to force anything, we just want to crack the door so when our field collapse comes back, some backround energy can come with it.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Circuit Pics

Here's some pics of the first go at a board I have it connected to a small coil for testing the frequency adjustment is a bit flakey, I think I used the wrong size cap on the pulse generator, while adjusting it very slowly it goes from 4kz to 16 in a jump the current draw goes from 70 Ma to 380 Ma then if i keep going it starts pulling amperes 5 or 6.

Circuit




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Cheers

[sucahyo]

Tesla consider wire length also important:
Tesla Patents 512340 593138 685012

The length of the secondary coil B or of each secondary coil when two are used, as in Fig. 3, is, as before stated, approximately one-quarter of the wave length of the electrical disturbance in the secondary circuit, based on the velocity of propagation of the electrical disturbance through the coil itself and the circuit with which it is designed to be used-that is to say, if the rate at which a current traverses the circuit, including the coil, be one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles per second, then a frequency of nine hundred and twenty-five per second would maintain nine hundred and twenty-five stationary waves in a circuit one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles long, and each wave length would be two hundred miles in length. For such a frequency I should use a secondary fifty miles in length, so that at one terminal the potential would be zero and at the other maximum.

Maybe 1/4 wave length is too impossible though.

[Farmhand]

Hi Sucahyo, We're on a slightly different track, the apparatus of Tesla's that closely resembles Bobs toroid is the "Tesla High Frequency Polyphase Transformer/Converter".

It can be found in Chapter 23 on page 111 figure 94, of this document.

The inventions, researches and writings of Nikola Tesla, with special reference to his work in polyphase currents and high potential lighting : Martin, Thomas Commerford, 1856-1924 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

I highly recommend downloading an printing this one. It's gold.

Cheers

[sucahyo]

Hi Sucahyo, We're on a slightly different track, the apparatus of Tesla's that closely resembles Bobs toroid is the "Tesla High Frequency Polyphase Transformer/Converter".

It can be found in Chapter 23 on page 111 figure 94, of this document.

Thank you for the link. I only suggesting the wire length not his device.

I think even on TPU, wire length should also tuned to required frequency.

Suppose you want to run the toroid with 14000 Hz then based from Tesla use of resonant length it need 21km of wire. close number from dividing with ordinal = 20.91 meter (divided by 1024).

I think Tesla resonant wire length can also be applied to any kind of coil. I am not suggesting the type of wound, because it seems Tesla do not use it only for pancake coil:

In constructing my improved transformers I employ a length of secondary which is approximately one-quarter of the wave length of the electrical disturbance in the circuit including the secondary coil, based on the velocity of propagation of electrical disturbances through such circuit, or, in general, of such length that the potential at the terminal of the secondary which is the more remote from the primary shall be at its maximum.

Notice that there is no mention that it can only applied to pancake only.

[Farmhand]

Oh I see ok thanks Sucahyo you are right of course, so for 28 000 hz it is half the wire ? I don't think 200khz is out of reach so that might shorten things up a bit.

On a side note my board now works perfectly it was the chip! I got some different new chips a while ago and they are slightly different from the first one I got (and behave a bit different too) so I tried the first one from the solderless board and hey presto, 10 Khz 100 Ma 12% duty, Sweet. All adjustable, right down to 2 Ma and up to more than 3 Amperes thats as far as I wanna push my reclaimed power supply.

It's been very frustrating, but I have learned a lot. The other chips do work but the circuit has to be adjusted to suit them. Cap size, frequency and pulse width adjustment are a balance. As long as things are within range tuning is possible.

If things are too far out to start with tuning is difficult. Could get smokey!!!

Cheers all

[Farmhand]

Got the core !

Hi all, I received my T650-52 core today, All the way from Anaheim, CA. Originally that is. It's fairly heavy ! At 5.14 Kg I think thats 11 pounds. I also got some small plain iron powder core's for desulfators and stuff. I suppose I should have ordered the correct core for the choke at the same time.





I will include this link as well for PDF's I have up, so far I only have a Tesla High Frequency paper and a book by Walter Russell called The Universal One, its well worth a look. I'm going to upload all the usefull PDF's and other doc's there and try to keep them catagorised, for easy linking, I haven't tried yet but they should be downloadable for all.

PDF Doc's - Windows Live

Cheers all.

[cikljamas]

Hi all, I received my T650-52 core today, All the way from Anaheim, CA.

How much you have to pay for post for such a long way trip of your 5 kg
weight core ?

[sucahyo]

Wow, never notice that Boyce toroid is that big.

Oh I see ok thanks Sucahyo you are right of course, so for 28 000 hz it is half the wire ? I don't think 200khz is out of reach so that might shorten things up a bit.

Maybe someone with HAM radio experience can help with this?

Maybe we can use ordinal divider instead of using 1/4 wave. Sound frequency theory, sounding a C note will resonate any octave bellow, where lower octave is exactly half in frequency.

[Farmhand]

Haha, I only had to pay for it to be shipped from Western Australia, they had one in stock there, I was just saying that Anaheim is the address on the packaging, must be where the factory is.

I'm glad for that too 5 Kg is fairly weighty, surprised me a bit.

Plenty of swirling space inside that core.

cikljamas, I have a video uploading for you now, will be another hour or so maybe, thats if screwtube works properly first time.

It's the same CMOS / Mosfet circuit i've been having trouble with, my problems were all self created it seems, circuit is quite simple really, I haven't done any testing with it yet because i'm using it to desulfate big batteries but they are very effective and efficient. I'm not sure but we should be able to pulse lots of different coils while being able to adjust both the pulse width and frequency.

But like i said I haven't done any testing for actual efficiency yet I need more accurite meters before I can do that.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Yeah Sucahyo, if you look in the Walter Russell book he talks about Octaves and shows diagrams. But I don't understand it unfortunately. I'm trying with other sources aswell. Seamonkey could maybe help but i think he might have got himself banned.

Anyway let me know if you can't get the book downloaded I will try to extract some parts for you somehow, it's a PDF it's linked above if my link doesn't work google does. There are ten octaves' I think, it's really mind blowing stuff.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

cikljamas, I have a video uploading for you now, will be another hour or so maybe, thats if screwtube works properly first time.

We wait for your video anxiously !
Simple circuit ? That is what we like the most, dont we ?
I hope i do not need oscilloscope to adjust it ...
You are hard worker, that is good thing !

[Farmhand]

Here it is-

YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

You don't really need a scope it can be done by frequency and power. but mainly if the power usage is right you can tune it from there easy, so for me power usage is the best indicator for proper operation. It's hard to measure the frequency with my dodgy meters. And my scope won't tell me. Exactly.

I should get my nano digital scope any time now they are cheap and if it works, a scope can save you a lot of money and precious time in trial and error savings. If the nano scope is good it will be a good investment for me, at $90.00 it was cheaper than the T650 core which was $117.00.

With it I should be able to measure actual pulse width and lots of stuff. But Tesla didn't have an oscilliscope, he didn't let that stop him !! I dare to say though if he could have ordered one online and had it delivered he would have.



P.S. I still have to get some wire to wrap on this monster core, I can almost fit my hand through the hole.

[Farmhand]

Greg, I still don't know which op amp to buy or what is better slew more or less voltage. Or how to choose ? I can't get the exact one's as you maybe but close, I hope. I'm ordering some things soon if you could give me some idea's I understand your still testing stuff, nothing concrete.

I'm ready to try something new.

Cheers