Alternating capacitor discharge circuit

[Farmhand]

Here's a link to a short video from today.

YouTube - Solar experiment.wmv

I think it is only a part of what is possible. I was able to charge two batteries today in the rain. I made a mistake in the video I said the panel is 350mA but it actually says "max power current 280mA". A warning, there are some loud animals here sorry.

Regards
Andrew
P.S. The second half is a bit better than first half of the video.

[Matthew Jones]

Here is somthing that may help you out a bit.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108863.

Here it is with a movie in action.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post109878.


You could also add a Slayer 007 Joule Thief to your circuit before the capacitors.Its simple to build and will give you some simple environmental amplification in your caps. Kinda tricks the caps into producing a little more power. Thats my opinion anyway. You may find yourself charging in series and discharging in parrallel though.

If you go through the Tesla Switch Thread starting around page 80 you'll find alot of things that might help with you goals.

Cheers
Matt

I am not always slick as a politician.

[Farmhand]

Thanks Matt, I will do that, though i'm not sure I will understand too much at the moment. I would really like to keep things a simple as humanly possible, I kinda want to successfully apply the basic principle for now, mainly for my own satifaction and use.

You may find yourself charging in series and discharging in parrallel though.

I'm not sure I understand the reason for that. It kinda go's against the principal I working by, though it occured to me I may have things back to front. Oh thanks for the heads up on the page number.

Hopefully it's still raining tommorrow or it's back to work. I'm sure your much too busy to be a politcian.

Cheers Matt

[Jbignes5]

I would be interested in....

I wanted to know if you were up for a little experiment.

If you could get a 1/4 and 1/2 wave antennas and connect 1 to the negative terminal and the other on to the positive terminal. The antennas should use coax cable. Only hook the center connector of the coax to each of the terminals.

One thing to remember here is that the antennas should be the same weight but different surface area. The smaller antenna could be a piece of aluminum stock 1/4 inch round and 6-8 inches long. Take another stock of aluminum that is 1/8th inch or smaller round but has the same mass weight for the other antenna.

Both of these can be connected to their own coax cable. We will be using the jacket of the coax as a static shield and it should not be connected to anything. The only connection we will be using is the center wire.

Now is the fun part. You need to vary the distance they are apart. Record the results and change the distance till you start to see a pattern of highs and lowest records.

What your circuit is doing now is using pulses to move the chemicals through a static build up on the batteries plates. This is much a kin to modifying the flow of tap water from your faucet when you place a charged hair comb near it. It pulls the fluid into a super flow that mimics the flow that a high current device would draw from the battery. Since the charges are not going anywhere you get a charging effect in between the terminals of the battery. This flow that gets setup can last for a few minutes to many hours depending on the resonance one has applied to the battery. This resonance will sustain the flow much like a bell sustains the ring or a tunning fork to be exact. The inertia of the water and chemicals flowing is what sustains that flow and the ringing tops it off.

Even with a little battery like that gel cell there are flows in the gel. The natural charges enter the battery normally through the plates but I suspect that if one changed the entry points to the antennas a better action would be seen. One also needs to understand that the surface area per square inch is a deciding factor as well. It should have a focusing effect from larger surface area to smaller. So I suggest that the larger one should go on the negative terminal. I might have that wrong but it seems the most logical if we follow non conventional wisdom on current flow being in reverse.

If you were or still are into CB's and such then I suspect that you know some about antennas. My reference is on beam technology. The beam antennas were designed to focus the carrier signal by use of reflector wires. Same concept but now we know that there is also a focusing or amplifying effect as well. That is of course what made them better antennas.

Other improvements would be to connect the jacket conductor to an aluminum shield like foil around the battery. In this improvement you make the plates less interactive with the environmental charges and only allow the charges to enter the terminal of the battery through the antennas. This should make the battery a better charge pump and suck the charges in better. Kinda like patching holes in a water pump. Less losses in the battery allow for better retainment of the charges in that battery.

[Matthew Jones]

If your using Joule thief the caps will get charged with real high voltage. 2 x 100 volt cap charges up to 200 volt you may find yourself not wanting to hit the battery with that. Or you can just pulse the power in at a faster rate so they don't build up so high.

Its a real simple little circiut that will contribute to the power overall and definitely increase the charging . Worth trying for sure.

Matt

[Farmhand]

Hi Jbignes5, I read your post as carefully as I could twice, but I don't understand much of what you say unfortunately, I have a fair bit of space and I do intend on building a suspended collector in the future, however I am quite busy at this time of year with work dawn till dusk most days, i've taken a few days off lately which was a mistake because it is raining now and I am behind in my farmwork. I think I understand what you say about the battery.

The airiel in the video is only a tv airel on my bunkhouse. It's mainly for the birds. As much as I would like to take part in such an experiment ( as I believe there is much energy here ) I lack the time at present, thanks for the offer and I will research what you have given me.

Thank You
Andrew

[Farmhand]

If your using Joule thief the caps will get charged with real high voltage. 2 x 100 volt cap charges up to 200 volt you may find yourself not wanting to hit the battery with that. Or you can just pulse the power in at a faster rate so they don't build up so high.

I'm just using caps and scr no joule thief no oscillator and no real plans to either. I don't think I could wind a joule thief to take the current from the couple of 100 watt panels I will be using with the device I plan to build, I might be wrong. I'm only experimenting for now.

Tomorrow i'm going to try a small mosfet with more capacitance and a slightly different way of providing "voltage" to the gate. Hopefully with a bit more sunshine thats if I get the time breaks of course. At first I thought my meter was playing up but it wasn't.

I need more time for study as well. My head hurts.

[Jbignes5]

Absolutely my friend.

I understand. It was only a suggestion. It seemed you were going in a direction that the modifications I suggested could enhance.

I know it is hard to understand something if it is outside your expertise.

Maybe a second try might help you to understand what I suspect would happen.

Two pieces of aluminum rods. One being short and stubby and the other long and thin. They both must weigh the same. Even though they weigh the same they have different surface area to each per inch, lets say.

These two pieces of aluminum should be connected to the battery terminals in respect of their surface area. Long thin aluminum should be connected to the negative terminal and the short stubby one connected to the positive terminal. They can and should be connected with a coaxial cable. A coaxial cable has a center conductor with a dielectric (plastic) material around that with a shielding conductor mesh around that and a further jacket of plastic over the whole thing. It is usually quite thick. The trick is to only connect the center conductor to the antenna and terminal. This what it acts like a garden hose and better contains what charges come into the cable from escaping away or interacting with the outside of that cable.

At some point an aluminum shielding can be made for the battery as well and that should make the pump complete. This way you have a driving system, the caps and pulser circuit, the conduit of external charges would be the coax cable and the antennas are they only external interaction with the environment.

Since all antennas are either 360 degree radiators of energy or directional when two are used in close proximity to each other you are creating an imbalance between the two antennas and this causes the pulses you are using to be amplified in charges from the space in between the antennas. Since you have the focuser, stubby antenna, on the positive this will give more potential and charges flow to the positive terminal enhancing the action of both the internal structure of the battery and the charges available to pack into the battery.

You don't need to change your current setup much in this case but to add two antennas with enough cable to modify the distance between your antennas. Eventually if it shows you are getting more charging effect while having the antennas on the terminals then the next step would be to plug the holes in your system and the charger should run at max charge. Varying the pulse rate and distance between the antennas should increase or decrease the charging time.

I hope I described the changes more accurately now. I know it might be outside your expertise but since you are playing with the setup you might as well tinker with a few concepts as well.

[Farmhand]

Ahh yes I think I can picture what happens there, that might just work. I'm a little wary of harmonics though I don't know why. I know you must know that what you propose is the logical goal. At least in theory that would be. I had a somewhat different idea not yet tested, by me at least,. I have plans for "free" time at the begining of the new year. Thanks for your persistance i'll try to further understand these principals by method, thats for sure.

Cheers

[Jbignes5]

And as such that is the only way you should learn this new approach. I know it is hard to understand but take it slow and understand what you want to connect to to help keep the charge on that battery is the environment. I suspect that any circuit works in the same principle since wires are a quasi antenna.. Meaning they do the same thing and accept a lower amount of this added help. If you need anything in the way of help on this subject just ask. I'll try to explain anything you have to ask. Hopefully.

I am still on my journey to find the ultimate connection to the environment and how to best use that connection which would be to use it for a power source directly connected to your load but there are sticking points that need to be ironed out. These I am working slowly to understand and if I get any further information I will let you know.

You can always pm me for any questions. I don't charge a cent to help other explorers of this method. After all it is the natural process we are attempting to harness and just because I have figured out a way to tap that connection doesn't mean I own this information or method. That would be like claiming the sun as my own or anything else in nature based on this process.

Good luck in your exploration!

[Farmhand]

Jbignes5, Please excuse my ignorance but what exactly are 1/4 and 1/2 wave antennae ? What frequency wave ? or What length ?

[Jbignes5]

Jbignes5, Please excuse my ignorance but what exactly are 1/4 and 1/2 wave antennae ? What frequency wave ?

Yeah. They would be designed based on your pulsing rate.

Here is a rather technical explanation of what full, half and quarter waves are compared to the signal you are sending.

Dipole antenna: Definition from Answers.com

The method here is to determine the length of the antenna based on your system you are using. The more the frequency of the pulses the smaller the antenna is gonna be. Going down from half wave reduces the length even further. Other techniques are used to further lower the length by adding coils or actually bending the antenna into coils at one end to reduce the size but still be at the range of that wave.

If the antenna is within the wave you are sending then it is considered matched with the transmitters signal and does not reflect any of that signal back to the transmitter. Although antennas are good radiators there is always some loss and some of the original signal fed back to the source or transmitter.

Tesla seemed to be convinced that if one had an antenna balanced in mass, meaning they weighed the same, then they would not have a conductive difference but they would surely have a surface area difference that could be taken advantage of. When the formation of the field is complete this imbalance in surface area only is what causes an excess of movement of that field in one direction. This flow of the field scoops free charges into your system and amplifies the charges by compressing the charges in a tighter bundle in effect raising the charge level.

It is the same process we see in any compression of any material. Take for instance air. When we shove a volume of air from one sized volume to a smaller one the pressure rises right? Well thats the same concept.

[Farmhand]

Yes I see, that is very interesting as I would like work to a specific frequency range, though the wave of the mean frequency is very big. I'm not sure if this means anything but I get the feeling I would need virtual antennae for such a large wave, there may be another way but I haven't learned of it yet.

Thanks I couldn't sleep because of that, so glad you were still here.

Cheers.

[Jbignes5]

well it does scale down...

Yes I see, that is very interesting as I would like work to a specific frequency range, though the wave of the mean frequency is very big. I'm not sure if this means anything but I get the feeling I would need virtual antennae for such a large wave, there may be another way but I haven't learned of it yet.

Thanks I couldn't sleep because of that, so glad you were still here.

Cheers.

Thats why we have 1/4 wave and even 1/8 wave or even 1/32 wave antenna. Plus with the coiling that can simulate length on an antenna as well. So I think the area of antenna theory might just help you out there.

Take the pulses per second and calculate the full wave equivalent. Lets say for example 20 feet of straight wire. 1/4 would be 5 feet. now do 1/8 wave.. That would be 2 and one half feet. I would suggest to go even further to like 1/32 wave which would be .625 feet for the stubby antenna. They would both resonate at the same frequency via their mass but would radiate differently via the surface area. This would cause a triangle like sheet of field in between the two. With the smaller end being the amplifier of the charges through the compression of that sheet going to the smaller antenna.

As has been proofed by the Tesla switch we know that we can draw current from between two like potentials and still get conventional electronics to work. Well if there is a higher charge on the smaller antenna which way would the current flow between the antenna and the battery? It would back feed (charge) into the battery wouldn't it?

The one problem I see is that you must take special care to not over charge the battery in this case. It could be that you could design a bypass much like a pressure relieve valve on an air tank. This would allow the excess charges to flow back to the environment harmlessly to be used again while still being able to use the charges to maintain the battery charge at the level you set. If you were really good one could design a way to dump the excess into a load as well.

I would like to make one more comment on this. This is all based off what I can see and have researched. I am not an authority on these subjects and I doubt anyone is. Although I talk with a certain amount of authority on this subject my writing could and very well might be in error. But I thought since the beginings of what you have was a good base to start from and you already had it set up it could in fact proof my ideas and observations, to boot it might net you some extra charging ability that could make that setup super efficient and relatively free.

Actually if you think about it, efficiency become irrelevant at that point. It's all about it's capabilities of the unit. What I mean is how much can it deliver safely.

[Farmhand]

I would like to make one more comment on this. This is all based off what I can see and have researched. I am not an authority on these subjects and I doubt anyone is. Although I talk with a certain amount of authority on this subject my writing could and very well might be in error. But I thought since the beginings of what you have was a good base to start from and you already had it set up it could in fact proof my ideas and observations, to boot it might net you some extra charging ability that could make that setup super efficient and relatively free.

Actually if you think about it, efficiency become irrelevant at that point. It's all about it's capabilities of the unit. What I mean is how much can it deliver safely.

There really isn't much to "set up" in what I did in the vid, I am actually trying to understand by practice a theory I have. I lack the ability to explain what I think at the moment, but I will when I do if anyone is interested. Which is why I have to keep thinks simple for now. I chose to experiment first in very low light so as to better observe what may occur. If what I think is actually true it may be easier to explain or show than I first imagined. I can't really say till I work it out to my own satifaction.

Yippee still raining.

Thanks again
Andrew