The ultimate secret of free energy: Split the postive AND the negative

[Slovenia]

Thanks for the link!

Ramset,

Thanks for sharing the link!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Lamare
Seeing as how you have a duke aroo goin on.
something came up today that you [and all]should see

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor-secrets-48.html

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Chet

[Jbignes5]

A little about corona discharges.

This topic was started and boy is it a good way to see the pathways.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5637-corona-discharge.html

With the voltage potential being the attractor of the medium and the thin blue lines are actually what I suspect is the charges flowing twords the high potential.

These are just beautiful.

[Aaron]

@Jbignes5

If lamare thinks I am being anything but sincere in what I am saying then it is his ability to ask me to leave this thread. For which I would do promptly. When we were having a discussion about the subject of this thread it was very on topic.

So Lamare it's up to you friend. What you say is my command when dealing with your thread.

First of all, it isn't even appropriate to put Lamare on the spot.

I hope it is abundantly clear your method of operation and I'll leave
you alone in this thread to continue whatever it is you think you're
doing with the hopes that nobody here is naive enough to fall for it.

[Jbignes5]

I did no such thing.

I did not put lamare on the spot. I asked him to let me know if he thinks I am detracting from the topic he intended and if so if he wished me to leave his topic.

That is a sign of respect to Lamare. I asked and he gave me his response.

I do have to apologize to Lamare if it was taken that way. It was not intended to put him on the spot.

[Aaron]

Authentic communication?

You know, it's about the content and about the principles people are trying to share here and one way or the other we all have to try to understand what people are talking about instead of trying to force our own opinions upon someone else. Your truth is not my truth and we have all been given the freedom to chose what our truth is like.

Lamare,

I agree with what you're saying but that doesn't apply to Jbignes5.

When I CLEARLY post something and he turns around and tries to correct
me and the correction is nothing but a paraphrase of what I just said,
that is NOT what the purpose of this forum is for, that is called being
a trouble maker and is far from sincere or authentic in any way, shape
or form.

If you posted something and said "the sun is hot" and I replied to you and
told you, "Well, Lamare... I've been trying to help you understand. You're
fooling yourself if you don't get the fact that the sun is at a high
temperature." You'd look at me like I fell off the turnip truck!

That would not only be pathetically insulting to your intelligence, it
would be self evident that you are talking to a brick wall that doesn't
have enough sense to comprehend the fact that you just said the same
flipping thing!

So again, I agree with what you're saying but Jbignes5 hasn't demonstrated
the least bit of authenticity to address anything that actually is posted.

Anyway, thanks for getting the mental juices flowing with this thread
and I'll just watch what unfolds.

[Jbignes5]

Lamare,

I agree with what you're saying but that doesn't apply to Jbignes5.

When I CLEARLY post something and he turns around and tries to correct
me and the correction is nothing but a paraphrase of what I just said,
that is NOT what the purpose of this forum is for, that is called being
a trouble maker and is far from sincere or authentic in any way, shape
or form.

If you posted something and said "the sun is hot" and I replied to you and
told you, "Well, Lamare... I've been trying to help you understand. You're
fooling yourself if you don't get the fact that the sun is at a high
temperature." You'd look at me like I fell off the turnip truck!

That would not only be pathetically insulting to your intelligence, it
would be self evident that you are talking to a brick wall that doesn't
have enough sense to comprehend the fact that you just said the same
flipping thing!

So again, I agree with what you're saying but Jbignes5 hasn't demonstrated
the least bit of authenticity to address anything that actually is posted.

Anyway, thanks for getting the mental juices flowing with this thread
and I'll just watch what unfolds.

Come on Aaron where did I paraphrase you at all? Explain your accusation please.

The way I see it if someone disagrees with you and can bring forth references at to why they disagree with you instead of reading my post and quoting the whole post you single out one little thing that you can turn on me. Then when I answer your tripe you throw names and insults like this is some kind of playground without directly answering a dang thing I posted but some obscure reference to an open area. When confronted with this you slam me and how my view is not authentic.
No one that I know in this field has ever considered that we have this backwards. Few professionals even questions that not only did we make mistakes in leaving out the most brilliant ideas of our forefathers we got the whole process in reverse by doing so.

If you have any credibility then show me your working tube? Your real device that works as you determined it would. I am sure it would be for sale by now right? You attack me then back away thinking you won't be held responsible for that attack. Please Aaron at least I read your posts even though you say I don't and usually quote the entire post when necessary. You don't even care to do the same. So before you label me as a troubler maker you need to look in the mirror. This is a response to you claims about me, just to make that clear.

[Aaron]

@Pentarbe

Aaron you mention pendulum but pendulum is different formula from lifting a ball. Doesn't matter because same end result. Pendulums do more work than needed to start it.

I can't click on the smiley pictures. I click but nothing happens.

Lamare, you have the fire like Aaron keep up the good work brother! I have hard time following your explanation but I try.

Pentarbe is like fire too with infinite "COP". Can anyone guess what it is? Maybe I start new forum on it to help people understand.

Thank you.

Yes, the pendulum does produce more work than you put into it.
Add all the joules required to bring it from direct bottom center
up to the height of each swing in both directions and it is WAY more
than the math says is required to lift the pendulum to begin with.
The first couple swings and you already have more. You obviously
get this. And to keep it going only requires enough input to make up
for the loss on the initial swing. And obviously Velijko gets this too.

The formula is a little more complex than lifting something straight up
but in concept, the relationship of that input to the rest of the swings
as you mentioned is the same result.

In relation to the Gray circuit and the front side cap, it only has to
be charged enough to make up for what is discharged from it which is NOT
the entire cap. So keeping it charged up obviously takes a lot less power
than having it charge from 0 each and every time. There are many things
like this where something can be sustained for a small bit of input, which
is just to make up the loss. Get the merry go round going - takes a certain
amount of work and it is common sense that you can sustain that
momentum by flicking it with your pinky maybe once per revolution. You
maintain the same work over time with nothing but a fraction of what
it took to get it going.

Not sure on the smiley's - I'd just reboot.

The Brahmans showed Pentarbe to Apollonius - up in the Himalayas.
I studied it in the original side by side English/Greek Conybeare edition
printed at Harvard back in 1912 I believe.

[Raui]

Lamare,
It wasn't until last night that I finally a chance to read the theory properly until last night. I don't think you need to be in resonance to get energy out of this but it would definitely get you the highest energy output. A very similar theory occurred to me when thinking about how dielectric induction can work differently to magnetic induction. I thought of a motor which spun a timing type device. This timing type device was attached to the positive terminal of a charged capacitor (the higher voltage the better) on one side and on the other side it was attached to an AV plug then to a load. As the timing type device spun and connected the positive lead of the capacitor to the AV plug you'd get the appearance of electrical power between the legs of the AV plug due to the laws of dielectric induction and the mechanics of an AV Plug. I called this flux modulation as there is no exchange of electrical power between the source and load only potential. However unless this timing device is spun to a extreme rotational velocity there would be no overunity. I did know that there was a solid state solution available however at the time I wasn't very good at designing electronic circuits (I still find it quite difficult). So this idea a lot like a lot of others was forgotten as I felt my device was quite crude. I want to congratulate you on describing that solution Arend!

The non-reciprocal relationship between source and load here I think is the real key to all of this that is; the exchange of potential between systems where a change in one doesn't affect the other. We see this in properly built parametric exciters as well they are both achieving the same thing in different ways. It's just like having an RLC circuit operating at resonance and we get a lot more energy flowing in the circuit but if we add a load we are adding it to a reciprocal system where a change in one effects the other and in this case takes it out of resonance. While RLC resonance to the best of my knowledge doesn't exhibit energy cohesion from the medium the principal of reciprocal/non-reciprocal systems is still illustrated. However just saying to someone 'make a non-reciprocal system where input effects output but not the other way around' is like Beardon's 'Don't kill the dipole' which is just taking the piss.

Heres to a peaceful world

Raui

[lamare]

The non-reciprocal relationship between source and load here I think is the real key to all of this that is; the exchange of potential between systems where a change in one doesn't affect the other.

Exactly!

And a way to do that is to make source and load operate in a different frequency bands, so you can get this non-reciprocal relationship using a high pass filter.

And another way to do that is to use higher harmonic resonances. Then you have what you may see as multiple identical loads in series, but you only have to drive one of them....

[lamare]

UFO howto patents

As I posted here(http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post110603), I did a patent search on UFO patents based on the "basic" book I got from UFO How-To: Build UFO antigravity electrogravitic saucer

Uploaded the patents I found here: Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Patents/UfoHowto/

More at: Index of /patents

Compare this patent

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/UfoHowto/Magnetohydrodynamic%20propulsion%20apparatus%20-%20US3322374A.pdf

with this picture of a now *identified* flying object:

The balls below the craft are described in the patent as being capacitors....

[Slovenia]

Very Interesting

Hi Lamare,

This is very interesting stuff.It's fantastic you were able to figure this all out for us.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Exactly!

And a way to do that is to make source and load operate in a different frequency bands, so you can get this non-reciprocal relationship using a high pass filter.

And another way to do that is to use higher harmonic resonances. Then you have what you may see as multiple identical loads in series, but you only have to drive one of them....

[Raui]

Exactly!

And a way to do that is to make source and load operate in a different frequency bands, so you can get this non-reciprocal relationship using a high pass filter.

And another way to do that is to use higher harmonic resonances. Then you have what you may see as multiple identical loads in series, but you only have to drive one of them....

Yes! I do have a feeling that the first method would work better all round though otherwise you'd need identical loads which isn't practical in most situations. Just out of curiosity have you built any of these devices yet? I think you'll earn a lot more cred if you 'put your money where your mouth is' as they say.

You can also utilize parametric exciters with orthogonal windings on a transformer to achieve inductance changes without the primary being affected or a special configuration capacitor with a pair of capacitor plates 90 degrees to each other so that one effects the dielectric and therefore capacitance and one is the excited system.

I am going to do a little experiment where I have 1 capacitor that is charged up to 2 - 5kV and try an AV plug configuration on the positive terminal of the capacitor and pulse it and see if I can get a separate capacitor to charge off the potential changing or what I call 'flux modulation'. Although it's not going to be COP > 1 as far as I'm concerned because I'll expend more energy moving my wrists than it will use to charge the capacitor but we all know there are more energy efficient ways of switching. It would show if my device idea I posted above would work or not though.

I think that serious researchers should concentrate themselves on this thread and the thread I made about parametric excitation as these are two methods which non-reciprocal actions are easy to achieve.

Raui

[lamare]

Lamare,

Gravity is a "standing electrostatic wave?"

Yes, gravity sure is dynamic but gravity is not in itself electrostatic
even though electrostatics can increase or decrease the effect of
gravity.

Just stumbled across this article that seems to be an interesting read:

Free Energy, Gravity and the Aether 10/18/97

My research and discoveries have led me to characterize the aether as follows:

* 1. A superfluidic particulate medium which pervades all space.
* 2. A medium, which in its various modes, is the building block of the physical universe.
* 3. A medium, which, in one of its modes, is responsible for gravity and inertia.
* 4. A medium which is controllable by our mind and can be manipulated my our thoughts.
* 5. A medium which can be controlled by geometric shapes.

These may also be interesting:
Ultrasonic Oxygen Generator - 01/12/98
Doctor X Water Dissociation

[lamare]

Yes! I do have a feeling that the first method would work better all round though otherwise you'd need identical loads which isn't practical in most situations. Just out of curiosity have you built any of these devices yet? I think you'll earn a lot more cred if you 'put your money where your mouth is' as they say.

With the second method I also meant resonating a single, open coil at higher harmonics, so multiples of it's natural resonance frequency as Dr. Stiffler is doing..

As for putting my money where my mouth is, well, if you take it literally I don't have too much to spend on my experiments, because I have a family to take care of. And that also means I don't have much time to actually do experiments. Only during the weekends I can do that.

I did experiment with Dr. Stifflers stuff, a CSET and I experimented with aluminum tubes in a borax solution. See my YT channel: YouTube - l4m4re's Channel

Last week I made the circuit Slayer posted, only I had to use thicker wire. I used all 0.5 mm. It did create HV, though. Lights a neon bulb nicely, but a fluorescent only slightly. I wanted to make that switchable, but it didn't work as I planned it to, so I have to get back at that. Maybe this weekend, maybe later...

I might also try this:

I'm sure I have two identical TF somewhere, but my workshop is always a mess (as you can see in my vids ) and so far I couldn't find them...

Update: Coming to think of it, you probably have to drive two identical transformers in series if you want to do this, so you need three identical transformers. You see, the driving transformer is in quarter wave resonance and the load should be in half wave resonance. So, you would need two of the same transformers in series as load....

Update 2: I am not so certain about the requirement to drive 2 transformers anymore. It depends on wether or not the driving transformer is in half or quarter wave resonance. And that probably depends on how/where you connect the negative terminal of the secondary of the driving coil. So, some experimentation will have to be done to determine the details.

[nilrehob]

@lamare,

Please please take a look at Benitez patents:
espacenet — results view
I think You will be inspired!

Tell me if Im wrong but i think Your schematic is a Benitez copy,
here is a small part of one patent that i posted in another thread:

(e and f are diodes)

Its taken from this patent:

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...191417811a.pdf

Tell me if you have troubles downloading his other patents from espacenet and i will try to help.

This is the thread i started about Benitez:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5227-carlos-f-benitez.html

/Hob