Schauberger tornado generator; how I see it

[Matos de Matos]

Hi everybody:

I posted the follow in Ted Ewert thread, http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...project-4.html

[Harvey]

I have only read some superficial info on Viktor's work and watched a few films regarding his life and development so I certainly am not the one to ask regarding his designs.

From what little I have observed, he developed an inward intuition regarding the behavior of water which resulted in designing structures that offered practically zero resistance to its flow.

One of the structures he developed is seen in the Whorl pipes. The cohesive nature of water is very dominant, but even more noticeable is the adhesive characteristics. Spray some water on a glass surface and watch how well it sticks. It is almost impossible to wipe it dry.

In Viktor's spirals he found relationships that seemed to twist the molecules away from the surfaces of the conduit and eliminate the adhesive actions. So moving the water through these structures resulted in very little loss. The centrifugal action of the water flow would have offered a high velocity at the exit as the same volume must move faster to travel through the smaller space. The drawing shows an exit thrust of 17.9 hp per jet. But the jets are arranged such that the exit force is nearly perpendicular to the direction of rotation so that it has no negative torque. So all of the energy is deflected nearly tangent to push the arms with the greatest force. That part of the design is somewhat counter intuitive because the arms appear to be pointing the wrong way for 'jet-propulsion' in the indicated direction of motion.

Evidently the motion of the arms would create a movement of the inner atmosphere and drag the water with it in an undesirable way, so baffles are included to prevent that motion. I am somewhat surprised that he did not employ the same technique in the pickup bay to keep a fluid motion and direct the water inward instead of using the rather perpendicular baffles. But I am sure this concept arose from hands on experimentation and he may have discovered that this was best. Just as the Wright Brothers discovered that the square struts had less wind resistance than the round ones and marine animals showing us how to reduce drag even with the inclusion of vortex generation, Viktor no doubt had insights that we are yet to learn and fully comprehend.

It is interesting that in order to shut the device off the inlet flow needed to be regulated with the adjustment underneath.

It would be interesting to investigate a real assembled product.

[Cherryman]

Hi all,

I played with a similar, as Ted and you, idea myself as well.

Only i wanted to harness the outflow with water turbines.

Here are some concept drawings. You might be of any assistance to youre ideas.













Not building this (yet) i am scavenging materials and have another unfinished project on the shellf.

Somehow however i do think this concept has merit.

Good luck

[Karl_Palsness]

There is a get together every two years at his son's ( or grandson's) house where enthusiasts can come and see the machine. They even take the machine apart and show how it works inside. I have pictures somewhere of how it looks but can't find they anywhere at the moment. it is very tall where the spirals go. He truly had a great understanding of energy. He made water flow the way Ed L thought of Magnetism. I was amazed as how complex the machine was for been made so long ago....and we thought we where modern...lol.

Karl

[Matos de Matos]

There is a get together every two years at his son's ( or grandson's) house where enthusiasts can come and see the machine. They even take the machine apart and show how it works inside. I have pictures somewhere of how it looks but can't find they anywhere at the moment. it is very tall where the spirals go. He truly had a great understanding of energy. He made water flow the way Ed L thought of Magnetism. I was amazed as how complex the machine was for been made so long ago....and we thought we where modern...lol.

Karl

Hi Karl:
Thank you for participating.
I would love to see those pictures.
I am posting the picture you post on the other tread, just to illustrate the funnel effect that atmospheric air pressure does when we turn water around. It funnels in the middle due to decrease of water pressure in the inside where the water runs faster (Bernoulli).
Now if we take atmospheric pressure out, pumping the air out, will not the water raise in the middle due to Arquimedes buoyancy?
Thank you
David


PS: Imagine that the water is moving around by other means, and the hole down is plug up.

[Matos de Matos]

Hi all,

Somehow however i do think this concept has merit.

Good luck

Hi Cherryman:

All the merit, great thinking and spectacular graphics.
In my opinion you shall go ahead and do a prototype, first only with the fly wheel and the immersed tubing to see if centrifugal will pump water and with which pressure.
I could not find if Ted made water pumping through the rotating arms, if so you may have something there.
Thanks for sharing,
David

[Matos de Matos]

The drawing shows an exit thrust of 17.9 hp per jet. But the jets are arranged such that the exit force is nearly perpendicular to the direction of rotation so that it has no negative torque. So all of the energy is deflected nearly tangent to push the arms with the greatest force. That part of the design is somewhat counter intuitive because the arms appear to be pointing the wrong way for 'jet-propulsion' in the indicated direction of motion.

It is interesting that in order to shut the device off the inlet flow needed to be regulated with the adjustment underneath.

It would be interesting to investigate a real assembled product.