The Centrifugal Assister

[elias]

Hi everyone.

I had come up with a design, about 9 months ago, I wanted to share it, but I hesitated, because I didn't want to waste people's time on something that I don't know will work, but Mr Chalkalis' design inspired me to do share what I had in my mind.

This design came to me after, thinking weeks about how to redirect the perpendicular centrifugal force of a rotating object to make it assist in rotating it. There was various ideas, but it all converged and transformed into the idea I have shown in the picture, a simple rotating disc, or bar, with arms. the arms are free to rotate, and as many arms can be added to the system as needed.

Theory:
The operation is like this, we start the motor, and the disc or bar starts rotating and the arms, start rotating too as the centrifugal force keeps the arms straight out. Now imagine it rotating at about 2000-3000RPM, the centrifugal force that keeps the arms straight is enormous. If we want to put the rotor under load, it will RESIST, because of the centrifugal force of the arms.
The arms have incredible momentum, and want to rotate with the speed they have, but If one wants to slow down the main bar, the centrifugal force wanting to keep the arms straight, will pull the bar from two ends to keep the bar rotating at its previous speed.
If this thing really works the secret is the Aetheric medium that is pulling the bar from the contact points of the arms, and because of the fact that the arms now rotating want to keep rotating with their momentum, and there is no obstacle for this, as the arms are free to rotate at the contact points.



I started this thread for those who want to experiment with this simple device. Who knows? it might work, and surprise us all!!


Elias

[elias]

Anyone?
No comments?
Is it that alien?
Can someone help me understand why it may or may not work?

[gene gene]

Hi elias, A machine very similar to your drawing is used as the cutting blades on the large behind tractor brush mowers. your main rotating bar is replaced by a large disk, and the arms are sharpened to cut the brush. When the arms hit an object to large to cut they fold in saving the gear box that drives them. When the power take off is disengaged the mower continues to rotate for quite some time, I'm not sure if this is just because of the combined mass of the disc and arms acting as a flywheel or is it demonstrating some of the effect you are describing here. If someone here has access to one of these mowers they could time the continued rotation with and without the blades locked to the disc to test. I hope I'm understanding your concept correctly.

Gene

[elias]

Thanks
Well that is interesting, although the concept here is different. In that system you described, the blade mass is very small in relation to the main rotating disc, but here, they are about the same mass, so that the momentum of the arms, can cause really great centrifugal forces, and make the main rotor resist speed loss. It is the way around we want to make the arms assist the main rotor.

[Ted Ewert]

Sorry Elias, I don't see anything in that design that would gain energy. It's a balanced design and balance is your enemy. You have to create a differential somewhere for nature to correct.

[Jetijs]

I agree with Ted here, I see nothing more than an ordinary flywheel effect. But then again, I have not much experience with this

[elias]

I agree with Ted here, I see nothing more than an ordinary flywheel effect. But then again, I have not much experience with this

Maybe Ted and you are correct, but do you mean that there is no difference between this design and the simple flywheel? If you try to stop it hard, what would happen? the arms would bend forward and speed up the device upon release, this is what I have tested before, because the arms are spinning and have centrifugal force. Now I am not sure that this gain is extra, it may be only due to the extra inertia stored in the arms.

[elias]

Sorry Elias, I don't see anything in that design that would gain energy. It's a balanced design and balance is your enemy. You have to create a differential somewhere for nature to correct.

Hi Ted

That is an interesting quote: "you must create a differential somewhere for nature to correct".
Yes you are completely correct! This system is completely balanced when it is rotating at a definite speed, but ... when you put it under load, it gets out of balance and the arms lean forward, the arms, want to keep the system rotating at the speed it was rotating before, and the system may seek balance by increasing speed and resisting our load. and thus input energy from the Aether. But not sure anyway if I don't really build and test it.

Elias

[Ted Ewert]

Hi Ted

That is an interesting quote: "you must create a differential somewhere for nature to correct".
Yes you are completely correct! This system is completely balanced when it is rotating at a definite speed, but ... when you put it under load, it gets out of balance and the arms lean forward, the arms, want to keep the system rotating at the speed it was rotating before, and the system may seek balance by increasing speed and resisting our load. and thus input energy from the Aether. But not sure anyway if I don't really build and test it.

Elias

The arms will certainly tilt forward since their momentum propels them there. But that in itself won't generate any more energy than a normal flywheel. Even the arms reducing the radius of the center of gravity won't produce any extra energy.
That's just my opinion though. Build it and test it to be sure.
The reason I'm skeptical is that a rotating mass on a fixed axle is very difficult to unbalance enough to gain energy with. Just like with the Chalkalis device, balance is virtually built into a stationary axis. Just look at all the gravity wheels that fail to work.
I believe that the axis has to move, or oscillate, in order to gain energy. Exactly how to make it generate extra usable energy this way is another question.

Ted

[elias]

Thanks Ted
I am not considering the fact that changing the centre of gravity would affect the speed, but the centrifugal force emitted from the arms are the forces that seem to affect the main bar like two forces pulling the main bar from two sides to keep it at the desired speed, almost how a conventional electric motor manages to turn the rotor by making a magnetic field. But now here we are using the centrifugal force to do this apparently of course.
Elias