Sun Catalytix 30kwh device

[eclipz]

Here is the link Catalyst could power homes on a bottle of water, produce hydrogen on-site (w/ Video)

Sry if this a repost, but this is a great find.
Here is the video link
YouTube - Faces of the Recovery Act: Sun Catalytix

He claims that he can split water with sunlight and get alot of energy.

[Savvypro]

The interesting bits from the article are in bold (which I've added to the quote):

With one bottle of drinking water and four hours of sunlight, MIT chemist Dan Nocera claims that he can produce 30 KWh of electricity, which is enough to power an entire household in the developing world. With about three gallons of river water, he could satisfy the daily energy needs of a large American home. The key to these claims is a new, affordable catalyst that uses solar electricity to split water and generate hydrogen.

Using the electricity generated from a 30-square-meter photovoltaic array, Nocera’s cobalt-phosphate catalyst converts water and carbon dioxide into hydrogen and oxygen. The process is similar to organic photosynthesis, except that in nature, plants create energy in the form of sugars instead of hydrogen.

Looks like they claim 25% conversion efficiency. Would be interesting to know what photovoltaic's thay are using to get that level of efficiency.

[jibbguy]

Here is a working link to PhysOrg from their April 2010 update article

New water-splitting catalyst found

Notice Dr. Daniel Nocera's statement that energy efficiency has been increased

"One Hundred Fold"

Since the initial announcement 2 years ago.

They have also found more cost-effective and commonly-found catalyst materials for the electrodes; which of course is also very significant.

Suncatalyst (the company Dr. Nocera and others founded)

Sun Catalytix :: Home

I and others have been pushing this several places around the web as "Peer Reviewed Proof of Free Energy".. As a great means of getting the news out, that:

"There really is a better way, we do not have to use oil".

It's not really "free" of course, the cost is "water" (and electrolyte).

But according to those increased figures there is no question that the caloric heat value from burning the produced hydroxy would greatly exceed the electrical energy in Watts to produce it.

And thats what matters

Although, for at least 6 weeks now i have been contacting several of them with this news from M.I.T. that CANNOT BE DEBUNKED ... the corporate-owned mainstream media has so far refused to report on it.

However, this can change in a heart beat, if enough of us start asking them WHY.

Namaste to Dr Nocera, for BRILLIANTLY using the word "Solar" to get grant money and permission for Hydroxy research. He has done us all a great service; and someday he and his team will be recognized for it.

Lol, i bet some schmuck government agency censors and grant coordinator bureaucrats are gonna get fired over this, for being too STUPID to put 2 and 2 together, and not bothering to do their home work

I can't explain just how important this really could turn out to be for us all... Since for over 30 years they have REFUSED to study hydroxy "for some strange reason".

We STILL don't have any university Studies on BURNING it (WHY IS THAT?? )... But at least we now have some Peer-Reviewed data from a HIGHLY PRESTIGIOUS source on producing it efficiently.

Next on the list, is getting the lab of Dr. Rustum Roy at Pennsylvania State University (College Park, PA) to get off their assets on the Dr. John Kanzius work. They have had over 2 years with nothing published on it. We KNOW that there are energy efficient means of producing 13.56 Mhz RF to burn the salt water (which produces an extremely hot flame).... And of course, SO DO THEY.

They really, really, DO NOT want to get caught suppressing the work of a FALLEN HERO who's work was mentioned on the "Sixty Minutes" show. If they have any brains they will publish something meaningful on it soon; or the negative publicity to "Penn State" will cost them PLENTY.

How many kids do you think they can recruit for their university if it is shown they are suppressors of important energy technologies?
____________________

Folks, if you ever start to think that what we do here is "meaningless", "can't change anything", and is "useless"... Remember Dr. Nocera and his team... Who managed to do this despite a hostile aura of suppression all around them. And remember that we are not "alone"... There are MILLIONS of folks who are working to change the energy paradigm on this Planet. WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. All of us can. And we ARE.

[Edit: Sorry for the misspelling of Dr. Roy's name ! ]

[eclipz]

YouTube - Dan Nocera: Personalized Energy

After watching the video, there only one thing i gotta say, this man saved us all. He not only resolve the problem of energy but also the problem of water. Its really insane, but i must say that this is the greatest invention by far.

MIT did it again.

[Karl]

Namaste to Dr Nocera, for BRILLIANTLY using the word "Solar" to get grant money and permission for Hydroxy research. He has done us all a great service; and someday he and his team will be recognized for it.

Lol, i bet some schmuck government agency censors and grant coordinator bureaucrats are gonna get fired over this, for being too STUPID to put 2 and 2 together, and not bothering to do their home work ][/I]

Agreed, in the following link Nocera waffles on about how he analysed photosynthesis & how solar energy is converted by plants giving the impression thats how he is doing this trick with solar cells, the cells are just a smoke screen, all they produce is standard electricity, the key is the electrolysis using phosphate, cobalt and only 1.5v .
The clip starts to get interesting around 53min
YouTube - Dr. Daniel G. Nocera

[Cherryman]

It seems almost to simple... then again.. simple is good!

So to replicate this we "only" need:


- Cobalt (surface) electrodes ?
- water with dissolved fosfor ?
- 1.2v <> 1.6v ?

Thats it?

About the solar part.. It could be a smokescreen as mentioned.. But hey .. this is MIT.. It cannot be that those questions aren't asked before.. I guess this was the first question of one of the students.. or even his wife ;-)

I was thinking .. Just a long shot.. But could it be that a solar panel delivers a different "kind" of power compared to conventional means of power supply? That somehow something is different with energy created by solar panels?

Anyway, if true, wonderful news!

[SilverToGold]

MIT? Aren't those the same people that bought out Bedini's last dozen Kromrey Converters and sat on it. So they obviously have solutions but it's funny how they never get it out.

How about MIT's "innovative" WiTricity? WiTricity will change the Tech Market | Carson Critique

They invoke Tesla's name in the video yet their hack technology is all about the useless Hertzian wave for energy transmission! Obviously they know nothing about Tesla and real power transmission. And they gave this joker some genius award for this? What a joke it all is.

Government funding + MIT = nothing good for the general public unless it can be controlled to control you. IE no technology that gives you true freedom from the blood sucking vampire system.

As far as hydrogen generation, if it can't be done on an as needed basis, it's pretty much going to be a too expensive proposition to be of help for most people. Stanley Meyers had it right. These yahoo's are way behind the times.

[jibbguy]

I cannot blame anyone for being suspicious of mainstream science lol. And M.I.T. does embody much of what is "worst", and "best" in it... Simultaneously.

We can only generalize in these things: And understand that painting them all with the same brush can be dangerous to the Truth (as in nearly all matters).

The "spin out" concept where these scientists always seem to start companies is not useful, imo... It commercializes it even before it is fully developed. It also tends to stunt research by other Universities. I dunno if this is a "desired" effect of it or not. But everything in the evil world is about "money" so it appears inevitable until we get REAL AND HONEST altruistic financial support from our governments for scientific research... and not the mainly corrupted fraud we have now.

Regarding WiTricity, this is the AC resonant coupling of magnetic fields (NOT directly transmitted Herzian waves). I would say that the person to watch on this subject is NOT the one in the video who was at TED, but

Dr. Marin Soljačić and his team (also of MIT),

who are working with MULTIPLE receiver coils powered by a single transmitter coil. It has some interesting properties that points to a possibility of seeing small amounts of "OU" when adding up the energy outputs of multiple receivers. There is also some evidence for this basic principal being behind some Free Energy devices over the years (like the Patent of William Barbat from a few years ago, or possibly several others such as the "Hendershot Device").

Coil in wall could wirelessly power multiple electronic devices


Regarding Dr. Nocera's work...

You have to read what they are doing carefully, and have some background knowledge of Hydroxy to fully "get it"... Because NONE of these articles or videos will spell it out for us. This is because it is a very "radical" and "heretical" technology that would NEVER have been funded or allowed, if it had been understood by the jerks who guard the gates... If it had been stated clearly

What is so "heretical" about it, is this: The on-demand factor. The Status Quo despises it... Because it ends the hierarchical centralized distribution of energy. You cannot distribute "water" the same as gasoline.. You can no longer be a Monopoly, with the ability to set your own pricing, as the privately owned "Public Electrical Utilities" are now There is no way to "Privatize" rain water or the trillions of gallons of water in the oceans... And of course cheap energy means easy pumping of water ANYWHERE, and desalination becomes much more important. As billions of gallons of Greenland ice melts, this fresh water dilution of the oceans can be partially offset by huge desalination projects.

Dr. Nocera's system can be "on-demand"; the same as any Hydroxy-producing system. The reason they talk about storing the H, is to "use it at night as fuel" after the sun goes down (the example given is to run Electrical Fuel Cells... but obviously we here know that it could be BURNED as well). But since the solar panels are simply the method of providing the electrical energy to sustain the Hydroxy, it doesn't matter what power source is used... For instance, according to their announcement of April 2010 where they claim a "Hundredfold Increase" in Energy Efficiency in producing the gas.... a "looped" hydroxy-powered generator would be possible.

The naysayers can parse this: There is no LAW AT ALL behind "Faraday Efficiency"... IT IS NOT TIED TO "CoE" in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. The energy created in burning H and O comes from the WATER.

It is simply a figure for a particular METHOD OF ELECTROLYSIS. Change the method, and Faraday efficiency figures are MEANINGLESS. The game as been "changed" anyway several times in the past... when PULSED electricity is used instead of DC... There is much evidence to support this can be more efficient. Now, add in the ability of CHEMICAL CATALYSTS to generate H and O as well (Dr. Nocera's system is a combination of both CHEMICAL and ELECTRICAL electrolysis; where the Electrodes are made of catalyst materials).... So making these old claims that it "cannot be" because of 140 year old Faraday Efficiency numbers... would be rather useless here

The below would be some obvious embodiments of the Nocera system:

> Produce the Hydroxy Gas from water (H and O together, and keep them together, not separated.. Just because Dr. Nocera's team does that, doesn't mean anyone else needs to). Burn the mix on-demand using a metal surface catalyst in contact with the flame front for maximum heat generation (using the unique properties of Brown's Gas where the heat from burning it wholly depends on the composition of what the hydroxy flame touches), to heat a Steam Boiler. Use the resultant steam to power a turbine generator. Considering the very high heat that can be obtained this way, it will be highly efficient and will generate enough electricity to self-run with plenty of excess output to make it worthwhile. This will be for centralized power production for industrial or mass residential use and we are not likely to do this ourselves.

> Produce Hydroxy in a portable unit to run in a ICE or Diesel-engined vehicle; either for "partial" ("booster"), or "full" 100% hydroxy fuel power. All the knowledge for doing this is out there and has been for years; it was simply waiting for the energy efficient production of the Hydroxy (and this gas can be manipulated with other gasses and/or "Ionized" and "Excited" to add "Thermal Explosive Energy" to the mix, requiring less total gas volume to do so than many claim is needed... for which much anecdotal evidence exists from several Inventors, some of which can be seen here on this Forum).

> Produce the Hydroxy at home either "stand alone / off grid", or part of a wind/solar Grid Tied system... Running a ICE or Diesel powered generator in the 1.5 to 3 kW range to provide household current directly, or indirectly to charge battery banks. Again, the efficiency of producing the Hydroxy should allow electrical energy generated to exceed that needed to sustain the effect enough to make it worthwhile. This would also allow a means of recharging EV's in the home's garage. Using leading-edge technology "pulsing chargers" would help efficiency and battery life there as well.

So when we eliminate the "Electrical Fuel Cell", a Nocera-type system could be much less costly to operate. Now, there is some worries about running hydroxy in standard ICE motors (corrosion from water vapor, H combining with the steel to make it brittle, etc). This may be true (although i personally think it is being hyped a bit). The simple answer for this is: Use these outdated motors until they "die" (or perhaps ceramic coat them in a "re-build").

In the mean time, we design ALL NEW engines made to run on Hydroxy from the ground-up. the ICE and Diesels have had their day: In over 130 years... Can't we think of anything better, lol?

You know folks, they just SAY we have to use them forever... that's not a "LAW" either

[Karl]

It seems almost to simple... then again.. simple is good!

So to replicate this we "only" need:


- Cobalt (surface) electrodes ?
- water with dissolved fosfor ?
- 1.2v <> 1.6v ?

Thats it?

About the solar part.. It could be a smokescreen as mentioned.. But hey .. this is MIT.. It cannot be that those questions aren't asked before.. I guess this was the first question of one of the students.. or even his wife ;-)

I was thinking .. Just a long shot.. But could it be that a solar panel delivers a different "kind" of power compared to conventional means of power supply? That somehow something is different with energy created by solar panels?

Anyway, if true, wonderful news!

Hi CM
it could be that simple, as in the clip I linked Nocera claims to have built the splitter & the materials came to a mere $28, this would suggest no or little electronics are involved, I have had a search for phosphate, cobalt to give it a try, but to be honest I am not to sure exactly what I am looking for.
Re your comments on solar electricity, I feel this is what Nocera wants them to believe as a work around the fact that his discovery is possibly OU

[everwiser]

30 square meters of PV's? You know how much money you'd have to have to put that many PV's on your house? This isn't cost effective in the least...It's just yet another method that can only be afforded by movie stars and ruling class pundits...

Isn't Nocera one of the largest producers of PV's? Things that make you go, "hmm"...

[jibbguy]

He is not a producer of anything yet.... Different company. And the largest producer of solar panels on this planet is

BP.

[jeanna]

nickel borate

Hi all,

In the video that Karl posted DN said that now they have been using Nickel + borate instead of cobalt and phosphate.

I thought we could try a few combinations here.
Maybe a chemist among us could help.
My plan is to try nickel coins in some boric acid (from the drugstore) and also in water with borax (laundry booster) and apply 1.2v and see.
But then maybe the high voltage spikes from the secondary output of a joule thief would work even better.

I say lets try and then
share our results... all of them ... good results and not so good ones.

jeanna

[jibbguy]

I suspect the catalyst system he is using may be difficult to replicate... This "self-repairing / self-renewing" factor would appear to be not so easy to achieve unless we knew how to process the material to get the very thin film that is "self-repairing (and would appear to be the main Proprietary part of this that is "owned" by "Suncatalyx"). Without this "self-repair", he states that the catalyst molecule "dies quickly".

Again i would state, that it is kinda easy to get confused from what he says and what they are actually doing. It's not that he is "lying", but there could be a small bit of deliberate mis-direction going on

They are not doing ACTUAL PHOTOSYNTHESIS. What he is doing, is using two completely different aspects of it SEPARATELY (... using photo voltaic cells to produce electricity in a completely conventional manner; and using their new catalyst technique to help create the Hydroxy gas). So he has not created an Artificial Leaf. He has replicated SOME of the features of plants in cracking the water molecule.

So here is a "verbal flow chart" of the system he uses:

> Produce electricity using solar cells.

> Use their new catalyst material/technique that helps crack the water molecule.

> Excite the Electrodes made of the catalyst material with the electricity from the solar cells, in a water bath to produce H and O HIGHLY EFFICIENTLY.

> Capture the resultant hydroxy gas SEPARATELY (Dr. Nocera prefers to store the H and O separately in compressed tanks.. because this is LESS THREATENING to the "establishment", imo).

> Use the pure "H" to run an Electric Fuel Cell to produce electricity (that is his stated idea, but most of us here would prefer to BURN IT along with the "O")... Electric fuel cells are very expensive, and they break down often from contamination. Perhaps in the future, they will be better, but i suspect they will always be expensive.

So obviously, the conventional solar cells are not required: ANY source of electricity would do.

But look at this from a "Geopolitical" viewpoint... Unfortunately in this society, "Science" is not the most important and deciding factor for new technologies in the Energy sector: Politics, and corporate interests are. "Solar Energy" has long been "accepted", "allowed". Why? Because it was no serious danger to oil and coal This is because the cost and ROI for installing a system for small business and residential use is kept artificially HIGH by limiting production and refusing to give meaningful Incentives that would RAISE the production and LOWER the cost significantly... there is no political will to plant the SEED to get the ball rolling. And despite all the hot air and BS rhetoric, the Obama admin DOES NOTHING MEANINGFUL in this regard either.

What Dr. Nocera is attempting to do, is sneak in the "Solar" back door, while the gate keepers are watching the front door marked "Hydroxy"

Hydroxy is hydroxy.... However you produce it. It can be Energized, Ionized, mixed with other gasses, other fuels; and otherwise further manipulated.... But these things can all be generally done after creation.

So all the things we talk about here, on several other forums, in the Yahoo User Groups, and YouTubes... Could be said about THIS particular method of Hydroxy production as well.

Of course the difference here is this: It is not the usual lone inventors or garage enthusiasts who are easily ignored or attacked by shills that are doing it... It is a professor of M.I.T.

That single fact is the most important news, imo, that this genre has had in several years. And why we should ALL work to help spread this news wider.

Notice, no "Sixty Minutes" segment. No national-level Evening TV news reports either. No major articles in Scientific American. Yet he is widely known in scientific circles.. Lol this silence IS NOT because of ignorance. Many of us, including me, have informed the mainstream media of it. They cannot claim ignorance.

WHY THE SILENCE? Lol we know why. This is one has a great chance for success, that's why. And Dr. Nocera's pedigree, and the use of the word "Solar" makes it essentially "bullet proof"... They cant attack it, they cant deny it... They can only IGNORE IT and hope no one notices.

[jeanna]

a nickel is a penny

Well,

The results of the first splash attempt are too strange.

I guess I learned that a nickel has a lot of copper.

I put 2 nickels onto 2 leads and made a saturated sol of sodium tetraborate decahydrate aka borax laundry booster.
I used a dead 9v that gave 8.45v.

I got loads of bubbles, but within 30 seconds the nickel at the positive lead was covered with green under the bubbles.
Is it copper oxide?
It was a 'new' nickel and I thought it must be a non nickel formula, so I found an older one, and got the same results.

I guess I need to buy nickel electrodes grr.
I do not see where any copper came from other than the nickel itself. There was no copper in the borax so it must be the metal.
The alligator clips were above the water level.

So, I cannot say.
but I do want to say that although the metal was green the bubbles and green dropped off the coin which made me think this dropping and starting over activity of the electrolyte might be easier to achieve than I thought.
BTW. It was a simple saturated solution which means there was salt at the bottom that was still undissolved.

jeanna

EDIT
Well, it seems I might have made Ni dihydroxide. ( HO - Ni - OH )
This is brighter than what I saw, but it is green.
It is used in batteries and ultra caps and made by hydrolysis of ammonia among other things.

The sheets indicate that it is pretty toxic, so, I guess I will put all this away.

j

[Aromaz]

. . .I was thinking .. Just a long shot.. But could it be that a solar panel delivers a different "kind" of power compared to conventional means of power supply? That somehow something is different with energy created by solar panels?

You might have a good point. In general solar panels are very ineffective at 11% to 18% yield. One of the much overlooked issues is the remaining energy not converted. That happens because biggest portion of sun radiation is at too high a frequency, not able to convert. This whole issue might be in just using that high frequency energy directly without converting to normal electricity.

The possibility that there are no electronics involved is quite high; and that might also indicate applications of the ultra high frequencies.

In what might be a possible similar direction; about two years ago I made an experiment with plants in a dark room; as in no light. The roof was pure copper sheet. The plants still remained green where plants in another section without copper plating turned white in 7 days. No instrument could indicate any energy difference.

Now I think I have a possible answer: Frequency been transmitted by the copper sheet.