Capacitive Sink Hole

[Armagdn03]

I've played with the A field somewhat in several experiments and it's potential is pretty amazing. Here is a good site that explains it a little more... SCIENCE HOBBYIST: Right Angle Circuitry .

I've noticed the amperage in a connecting heavy copper link through the "hole" of a toroid is quite high and that it seems to have a polarity, at least measuring it with conventional meters. Quite interesting indeed !

Thanks for the link Dragon, I have looked over this before. To anyone reading through it, there is only one correction, or addition I would like to make to it, in step 8 he says:

"FIG. 8 What if we don't use wire? If we simply place the second iron core near the first, then the lines of A-field flux will pass through both and link them together. The result? Nothing! No magnetic field appears in the second core, and the extra secondary does not produce any output voltage as it did in figure seven. WHY?!!! I don't know. I haven't thought deeply enough about this yet..."

The reason for this is...the wires are removed which link the two cores. In their place there is still a conductive path, though it is made of "air". The resistance of the air is far far greater than that of the wire, and so a minuscule current will flow, hardly noticeable, and not enough to cause a reading on the second core. This is why.

[dragon]

He also doesn't mention that the second link would be 180* out of phase with the first which is also interesting. Possibly an interesting way to create a delay structure.

You can also put a load in the central link but this has to be matched quite well to work. In order get the process started you need to have a shorting coil on the secondary toroid, once the B field is activated by shorting - it will transfer energy between the two thus allowing a load to operate on the central link. The shorting coil doesn't need to be shorted once it's started ( unless the central link load is to high ).

On a couple of my experiments with this - the central link actually became quite hot as it carries a considerable amount of current, the size of wire used needs to be adjusted to the load accordingly.

Fun stuff indeed !
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[cody]

dragon,
thanks for that link, i have never seen it before. I have also done similiar experiments making coils out of insulated iron wire but didnt know what to look for out of them. Electro-electret..... interesting

[Armagdn03]

This right angle circuitry and its principles are the very foundation and building blocks of "the inverse inverse transformer" concept. I am quite sure that the inverse of this demonstration in the electrical sense yields a no load generator when most heavily loaded, depending on capacitive time constants. Those familiar with the concept of a generator decreasing its prime load while it is loaded more and more heavily will have a huge light-bulb go off in their heads.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6000-inverse-inverse-transformer.html

In reference to how this can be made into anti gravity let me point to this awesome thread...created by me...( not to be vainglorious....sweet word uh?).

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5256-erasing-concepts-gravity.html

There are some very good arguments on this thread, but I still stand behind what I wrote there. I plan on posting more in this thread soon to continue my stream of consciousness on the subject.

In fact anybody who has followed my threads will note that they all connect. They all are based on the same concepts.

[cody]

Wow! I didnt quit grasp it when you posted that thread, now the light bulbs are indeed going off! I like this concept of doing things in reverse of how things are normally done, it sheds a whole new light on things. thanks

[ren]

"BesserNet Reflectometer"


Very cool Armagdn03.

[Armagdn03]

Electrical equivilent of the Calorimeter experiment

Here is an interesting concept to consider. Think about building the electrical equivalent of the following concept. I am currently at an Amana Engineering facility, refrigeration is the name of the game here.

Consider a calorimeter. Inside the calorimeter is a fridge. You use X joules of energy inside the fridge, to move heat from its interior to its exterior into the measurable environment of the calorimeter. The X joules of energy you used to cause the heat cycle, will be apparent, but we also have the added heat that once resided on the interior of the fridge. Already we have more energy than we have inserted released into the interior of the calorimeter.

If you take the energy the initial energy (X) + Heat from condenser = total energy from perspective of transfer of energy from calorimeter to outside environment. Within the calorimeter you have the the Positive (+) heat energy given off outside the fridge, balancing with the Negative (-) cold within the fridge adding up to zero. If you let the inner cold, be nullified by the outer heat, the calorimeter will only show the energy given to separate the heat and cold initially. (internal nullification of an internal potential difference is how our standard circuitry works)

But if our frame of reference includes the outside environment, then you see the possibility. The heat from the heat cycle, plus the heat moved from interior of fridge to exterior, can be added, and used to exchange energy with the outside environment. Once the calorimeter has balanced with the environment to reach equilibrium, the inside of the fridge still has yet to exchange its potential difference with the environment and is still "cold". The COP of the system is 3, which is well known of heat pumps.

Frame of reference makes a huge difference in how you calculate your total energy.

The initial point of this thread was to show a possibility of doing this electrically.

Coefficient of performance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(good examples, derivation etc. considering heat pumps)

[Harvey]

I tried to post here twice before and I was so tired at the time that when I read back over my writing it didn't make any sense even to me so I decided to wait until I had some rest and could come back to it.

As I understand the principle here, we have 3 energy reservoirs:

1. Inside the Fridge
2. Inside the Calorimeter
3. The Universe

We can start at point A in time and say that 1 & 2 are in thermal equilibrium at an average temperature of 300°K. The Universe however is very location specific as to its temperature, so for this exercise we pick the surface of Earth as a location and we will suppose that it too has an average temperature of 300°K.

Next we, apply some energy in Joules to move energy from #1 to #2. We will suppose that the energy used is 3 times less than that we have moved.

At point B in time, we have used 1 unit of energy from #3 to move 3 units of energy from #1 to #2. But from a temperature perspective, we would need a way to equate that to the volumes involved. For ease of evaluation we can suppose that the interior volume of #1 is equal to the interior volume of #2. Therefore a decrease in temperature in #1 will be seen as an increase in temperature of #2. Let us suppose that one unit of energy is equal to 10°K so we have 270°K in our Fridge and 330°k in our Calorimeter at point B in time - or a differential now of 60°K

In addition to this, we have a dual differential of +/-30°K between #3 and #1 & #2. We say this because the reservoir for #3 is so huge that reducing it's energy by 1 unit of energy is almost immeasurable from a temperature perspective. This supposes of course that we have used that single unit of energy from #3 to move the 3 units of energy from #1 to #2.

So now we ask how much energy we will get back if we allow the temperatures to equalize? If moving from #1 to #2 takes 1 unit, then can we expect any more than that if we allow it to move back from #2 to #1? Furthermore, if creating a differential of 60°K takes 1 unit, then can we expect more than 1/2 a unit if we allow 30° to equalize?


In realistic terms though, the COP > 1 event is not related to two reservoirs of equal temperature. Instead it is a result of two reservoirs of unequal temperature. For example, if it is 20°C outside, but 15°C inside, we can use an electric motor of 1W to open a window and allow the air to equalize. So we use 1W to open the gateway for 3000W of heat to flow and warm up our house. We could then claim COP = 3000 but if the inside and outside were the same temperatures, then we have COP = 1. And of course this extreme example supposes that we use convection to move the air around. In reality, we have to expend energy to move the air and we have to do more than just open a window. This is because in reality, usually when we are trying to warm the inside, we need to raise it higher than the outside. That is where the heat pumps come in. The heat pump creates a one way path for the heat to flow - into the pump from the outside and then out of the pump to the room. And this takes more energy than just opening a window which is why realistically we have COP < 9 unless we use waste heat from some process where we can get COP around 30.

But what if we change the dynamics a bit. What if our fridge could get so cold that we liquefy the nitrogen in the air and then we allow that to flow through insulated pipes to some other location? Could it be then that we get some gain by changing the path or method of temperature reversal? If perhaps the other machine was more efficient at using the nitrogen?

[pix]

Hi,
Maybe it is not related to this thread, but I found this beautiful animation about travelling wave.
Traveling Wave Equals Sum of Stationary Modes - YouTube

Regards,
pix

[Armagdn03]

Hi,
Maybe it is not related to this thread, but I found this beautiful animation about travelling wave.
Traveling Wave Equals Sum of Stationary Modes - YouTube

Regards,
pix

Wow, that is really really awesome. Thank you very much for posting that. I am actually building something very very similar to what has been discussed here.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

The green channel is the trigger and the yellow is the BEMF via a parametric oscillator "STEAP". The BEMF comes from two transformers with a DC motor inbetween them, the secoundary of the transformers is sent back one to the battery and the other to part of the circuit input. Remember the motor is DC, in the off cycle of the trigger pulse the BEMF is filling in the off cycle creating a phantom DC current, 90 degree phase shift. This circuit is running at the moment at a cop of 1, more work to be done on this even though I can run a 240v led bulb which normally would draw 125ma and the motor 250ma with a current draw on the battery of only 55ma @ 12v.

The motor is a capstan drive motor for a jvc video, I do not have the spec for this! perhaps someone can fill me in on this!!!

I may upload a vodeo of this.


Mike