Kapagen Systems - 12v Input Only

[dragon]

@dragon so you were really using an inverter in the toroid setup?

@vidbid: romerouk as warn us that the HF/RF will probably kill the inverter, but he refered using the MOT!

so its safe to drive an NST or FLYBACK transformer, with an inverter near this setup?

The twin toroids were driven by one of the $6.50 allelectronics 2000 volt 10ma NST's ( 12 volt ). The kapagen replication was done with a 6500volt 20ma NST normally driven by 120 volt. I put the inverter on it to see if it would function the same with a 12 volt input. Other than a few tweaks it did fine. I do have a conditioning cap in front of the NST primary coil which would filter out any HV spikes to the inverter. It was one of those 12.00 cheapie 70 watt units...
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[TanTric]

thank you dragon

its someone familiar with this kind of induction?

YouTube - Трансформатор Зацаринина - разоблачение

im using all as described in that video, but mine is bigger... toroid, copper foil, plastic insulator. But i dont know the frequency that this thing will work!



help please?



EDIT: i think the guy says 6Khz in the video, but im not shore!

[vidbid]

12VDC-Input Kapagen : Isolation Transformer

Thank you vidbid so this is basically the same as the 240vac version with an inverter and 12vdc battery? Looks interesting, Ill have to read some more on this.

That image is for conceptualization purposes only and is not intended for actual use.

Be extremely careful. Whenever you mix a battery, an inverter, and a high voltage device, you have danger. There's a lot of current running through that inverter and/or other device, and the voltage/current can fry you.

If one were to suggest anything, one might indicate that one might consider looking at a NST or a flyback transformer as others have suggested here.

[vidbid]

Thank You For the Romerouk Warning

@dragon so you were really using an inverter in the toroid setup?

@vidbid: romerouk as warn us that the HF/RF will probably kill the inverter, but he refered using the MOT!

I thank you for his warning. I will take it under advisement.

so its safe to drive an NST or FLYBACK transformer, with an inverter near this setup?

I'm not sure if you're addressing me or not, but if you are, then I would say that that would probably constitute a warranty, and I do not issue warranties.

I would advise caution. If I were to advise on that matter, I might say that one should only consider it as an aide to conceptualization and nothing more.

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[vidbid]

Twin Toroids

The twin toroids were driven by one of the $6.50 allelectronics 2000 volt 10ma NST's ( 12 volt ). The kapagen replication was done with a 6500volt 20ma NST normally driven by 120 volt. I put the inverter on it to see if it would function the same with a 12 volt input. Other than a few tweaks it did fine. I do have a conditioning cap in front of the NST primary coil which would filter out any HV spikes to the inverter. It was one of those 12.00 cheapie 70 watt units...

I like the above statement.

[seth]

I tried my 12V ''kapagen'' without the kapagen coil.....I replaced it with the 450 turn coil of my tesla secondary....

I got very similar results with either coil concerning how many CFLs were still lighting....

YouTube - Teslasecondary12-6V.flv

in the video you'll see the CFLs lighting, even from my 6V, 2.8 AH battery...surely less than 6 W....perhaps 1 or 2???

I'm starting to agree with juju's conclusions - we can light the same amount of bulbs with or without the kapagen....but only experiment will prove him right or wrong.

Good luck and have fun!!!

PS - interesting stuff dragon - well done!

[boguslaw]

I need a source of very cheap NST 2-9kV (higher is better) and up designed for 220V (better) or 120V and it's a small one - like that one used by Don Smith.I searched here but it's very hard to buy any one even old for a good price. They are priced too high for me in case of NST similiar to Bertonee.
Why they are pricing it so high ?

Maybe it is possible to just contruct one for myself from scratch if someone is willing to post schematic from one commercial model ?

"$6.50 allelectronics 2000 volt 10ma NST's ( 12 volt )" - wow ! can you post a picture of that one ?

[TanTric]

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my friend! what a wonderfull video!!

and reallly good music!!

loved it... you rock!

I tried my 12V ''kapagen'' without the kapagen coil.....I replaced it with the 450 turn coil of my tesla secondary....

I got very similar results with either coil concerning how many CFLs were still lighting....

YouTube - Teslasecondary12-6V.flv

in the video you'll see the CFLs lighting, even from my 6V, 2.8 AH battery...surely less than 6 W....perhaps 1 or 2???

I'm starting to agree with juju's conclusions - we can light the same amount of bulbs with or without the kapagen....but only experiment will prove him right or wrong.

Good luck and have fun!!!

PS - interesting stuff dragon - well done!

[TanTric]

=)

thank you very much luno!

do you know some oscilator circuit to work with this setup? i dont have a frequency generator...

just one more thing, why 2 volts?

Hi,

66 KHz, 2 v

[dragon]

I need a source of very cheap NST 2-9kV (higher is better) and up designed for 220V (better) or 120V and it's a small one - like that one used by Don Smith.I searched here but it's very hard to buy any one even old for a good price. They are priced too high for me in case of NST similiar to Bertonee.
Why they are pricing it so high ?

Maybe it is possible to just contruct one for myself from scratch if someone is willing to post schematic from one commercial model ?

"$6.50 allelectronics 2000 volt 10ma NST's ( 12 volt )" - wow ! can you post a picture of that one ?

It appears allelectronics is out of them, the exact same unit can be seen here... High Voltage, High Frequency Power Supplies . It's the minimax3 unit that I use on some of my low power/HV experiments
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[TanTric]

hmm

thank you luno.. is not that schematic to drive a TV flyback transformer? it is not to put out very high voltage?

i found a circuit that oscillate in 40Khz, maybe this would work?

Schematics Depot (tm) - 555 Timer 40khz IR Oscillator

[seth]

Hi everyone,

You are not right that there are no danger with 12 v . Even 9 v can kill a person. It depends on the places of your body which the potential. touches. Here is the picture of these places. The problem becomes more serious if you drink a little bit of alcohol.

How do i make something deadly with a twelve volt battery?? Probably a bit off topic, but if there is a way, might as well make myself a weapon before the global financial ponzi scheme collapses

I didnt think there was a way....though perhaps im mistaken???

Perhaps we should have a discaimer on every single thread here which states ''be careful, you might die tomorrow in a freak acident''....after all, it is true. We all lose people at young ages occasionally, and i am no exception.

Personally, I'm a little tired of disclaimers...yes, i know the response....its for your own good...

yada yada yada....

I'm an adult. If i die i know no-one is responsible except myself - im a big boy now!

[vidbid]

In Support of Luno

Good Job, Luno!

for setting the record straight.

It is better to err on the side of caution when dealing with electricity. Reference shock. See microshock

YT Video: Power Company Lineman Electrocuted

Rest in Peace, Jake Booth.

He leaves behind a wife and a baby boy.

[seth]

Good Job, Luno!

for setting the record straight.

It is better to err on the side of caution when dealing with electricity. Reference shock. See microshock

YT Video: Power Company Lineman Electrocuted

Rest in Peace, Jake Booth.

He leaves behind a wife and a baby boy.

Using someone elses death to prove a point really shows a man of low character.

yeah, a MOT is deadly, and you're right to point it out to people. But come on...a 12V battery. You're worse than the news!

Fear is a disease. You wanna live a terrified existence, go right ahead. Be sure the rest of us are having a good time.

What about my 6V video? should i post a disclaimer?

[vidbid]

The Danger of Discounting Electric Shock Hazards

Using someone elses death to prove a point really shows a man of low character.

Argumentum Ad Hominem Personal attacks on your opponent are an admission of intellectual bankruptcy.

I disagree with you. No one here is doing what you claim.

The point here is to show others who might read your post about this matter that the danger from electric shock is real and present.

That man lost his life from a macroshock, and he was a professional, used to dealing with electricity. If he were here and alive now, he would be telling you the same thing that I am telling you now.

When dealing with electricity, there is either danger from macroshock or microshock. The point is both forms of electric shock can kill you.

The fact is discounting the danger from electric shock as you have done and advocating others do the same is a very poor choice.