Energy and Polarity

[Aromaz]

. . . I was wondering if you have studied Walter Russell and his book The One? If so, what was your opinion of it? Good or waste of time?

Nope, unfortunatley not. I read some of his earlier works; and do respect most of his theories; I do like him. He certainly left his mark (and scars) on physics.
Intersting his statement that heat and light never left the point of origin. One that still puzzles me. However, I do think he has a point. AND in the later part of my document this is address, though not as or in reference to KR.

[Aromaz]

In addition to #63

Later - quite a bit later IF we reach such stage on this forum:

I will explain LIGHT. In that issue the concept of how the Pure Energy
could cause reaction within itself will come more to 'light' and understanding.

[Agent.A]

@Vickers

mirror, mirror, on the wall, what can you tell me, about it all ...
oh, and by the way, how much of an idiot i am, if too much dont tell me ...

@Aromaz

Corrie,

DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DO NOT WANT PROOF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( but if anybody have any proof, im happier )

I WANT SUPPORTIVE DATA, SOMETHING THAT WILL SHOW THAT AN IDEA, A THOUGHT, A LINE OF THINKING,
IS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS A VALID POINT.

IF SOMEONE TELLS ME A STORY, AN HYPOTHESIS, A THEORY, AND ALL HE HAS ARE HIS THOUGHTS, WELL, EVERYBODY HAVE THEM.

one of my many theories about this universe is that little unseen magical smilies smoking pipes with stardust run it while singing "oh joy oh joy".
a theory as any other.
does it have any VALID points to consider ?

[Agent.A]

VALID as in,
anybody with enough BRAINS in his skull and can understand the related material and who will look into this or that theory and its related DATA,
will say,
"yes, this DATA explains this bit of the theory and that DATA explains that bit of the theory,
and both bits seem to makes this theory closer to finding the real answer"

get it ?

my theory of little unseen magical smilies smoking pipes with stardust while singing "oh joy oh joy" that run our universe,
has NOTHING that i can point to and say, "look, here are 'footprints' of magical smilies, my theory holds".

[Jbignes5]

@Vickers

mirror, mirror, on the wall, what can you tell me, about it all ...
oh, and by the way, how much of an idiot i am, if too much dont tell me ...

@Aromaz

Corrie,

DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DO NOT WANT PROOF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( but if anybody have any proof, im happier )

I WANT SUPPORTIVE DATA, SOMETHING THAT WILL SHOW THAT AN IDEA, A THOUGHT, A LINE OF THINKING,
IS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS A VALID POINT.

IF SOMEONE TELLS ME A STORY, AN HYPOTHESIS, A THEORY, AND ALL HE HAS ARE HIS THOUGHTS, WELL, EVERYBODY HAVE THEM.

one of my many theories about this universe is that little unseen magical smilies smoking pipes with stardust run it while singing "oh joy oh joy".
a theory as any other.
does it have any VALID points to consider ?

Why is it that you require anything. These are Theories.. Theories based on the stuff we currently can not explain with our current understanding. It is from the observations of doing and not talking. It comes from looking into the invisible and seeing the connections to those unexplainable events. It is from doing not asking questions that are loaded. How can one get data from something you can not see. you can observe what happens like the effects but certainly then you can devise a way to make sense of it all from that. This fundamental law or laws must govern it all. Everything after that no matter if it is viewable or not then will start making sense logically.
You ask for data but ignore all the attempts of us to explain the sources. You want proof then build the device I put up the link for on the previous page. That is your proof. By the observations of a true scientist. One that relied on what he could see from his experiments. He didn't take it that far in Theory because he knew that it didn't have to be explained in that much detail. You want to go farther in but the laws stays the same no matter what. What happens on the largest scale must be what is happening on the smallest with some rules (macro rules) that don't apply.
Listen there is one fact we can all agree on. This one fact is that energy (charge) is a unit. It must be because if there was no mass to it it would not be able to move from point a to point b. Mass is just a separation of charges like a layden jar. The metal on either part is a conductor but the charge lies inside the jar itself. Within that crystalline structure. That is evident by the mit experiment of the disectable layden jar experiment. That means yes the metal conducts the charges but they reside and are housed in the crystalline structure.
I believe this structure can be mechanically struck to squeeze out these charges like a pump and then they get replaced by the natural mediums network and the balance that network tries to attain. This I suspect is the reason for the peizo effect that runs all electronic lighters. A very small crystal like quartz when struck causes the pumping action of the charges by the basic structure of that crystal reacting to the impact when there is a conduit to discharge across in the form of a cycle. It could be that we can replace the whole device I showed you earlier with just crystals being hammered and statically shielding the resulting voltage in the method I described before through a load.
You ask for proof and we try to give you the reason why we have come to our conclusions. You can ignore it if you want, which seems to be the case, but they are valid in my case.
What led me to these conclusions is where I refer you to and thats Tesla and his writings. Even when shown where you could get this information you refuse to read it or something. I have given my references as examples of the very processes I have described and if that is not enough then I will be making this device and I will be the one who has figured out the truth or a better understanding of that truth.
The project starts soon and I'll try to record my every step. That way when it works and I have zero doubt that it will after I discover the parameters that need to be tweeked then and only then will I release the videos. If you want to join the process thats fine... Have at it but don't deny it before the proof comes. That would be plain ignorance.

[Agent.A]

before continue reading your posts, i have two question.
1. did you sign in "the book of the moron' with the story about me ?
2. do you understand this picture ?

[Agent.A]

@all

there is a very BIG DIFFERENCE between DATA and PROOF.
many people seem to forget this and combine the two as one. thay are NOT the same.

DATA is bits and pieces of the whole PROOF.

if i hear a 'quak' i might think is a duck.
if i hear a 'quak' and i am near a lake, it is probable that it is a duck.
if i hear a 'quak' and i am near a lake and i see a duck, well, there ya have it, DA PROOF ! made out of all the DATA.

if someone come to me and tells me,
"hay, dude, i was in toilet, pondering, and heard a 'quak' and now i have a theory that little green man came on UFO and are 'quaking' all around"
im willing to accept this, but, my simple question is,
"what DATA do you have that supports your theory ?"

[Jbignes5]

@all

there is a very BIG DIFFERENCE between DATA and PROOF.
many people seem to forget this and combine the two as one. thay are NOT the same.

DATA is bits and pieces of the whole PROOF.

if i hear a 'quak' i might think is a duck.
if i hear a 'quak' and i am near a lake, it is probable that it is a duck.
if i hear a 'quak' and i am near a lake and i see a duck, well, there ya have it, DA PROOF ! made out of all the DATA.

if someone come to me and tells me,
"hay, dude, i was in toilet, pondering, and heard a 'quak' and now i have a theory that little green man came on UFO and are 'quaking' all around"
im willing to accept this, but, my simple question is,
"what DATA do you have that supports your theory ?"

Why don't you just go back to your little corner and stay there. We have given our references as to where we got these ideas. We have given our references to other well established data. We have given it all and still you persist on this chatter. Ignore those references to the data, fine but don't come here into this thread and bring that tripe here.
I refuse to let you poison this discussion here. This is Aaromat's discussion and we are here to help him. If you want data then you need to put some force behind that little index finger and the mouse button. Click the references and walla the data is there for you to see. Stop with your bs no one cares but I tell you it is sure annoying. Go away fly your pile is over there....
You always want us to bring you the data when it should be you that does the researching just like we did! Follow the references or shut up already.

[Joit]

Why don't you just go back to your little corner and stay there.

I agree with that.
Actually most here follow a Idea, and all what you do, Agent.A, is screaming and mess anything up,
what actually only shows a part of immaturity.
And even when this Theorie will match, then there are still a lot other Things,
what there is to consider, but what are even not touched yet.
Its only the basic Idea for a few first Steps.
Either be constructive or just watch.

[Agent.A]

Joit, do you mind to play a little game with me ? please ? i really mean it.
it is about ideas and thoughts.

do you know what energy is ? simple answer, no theories, yes or no.

[Agent.A]

you are DA BEST. only you asked the very simple question "wait a sec, did this duck made the 'quak' ?, i may have missing DATA"



i just knew that someone will bring that up. knew it ! in my bones !! figured it be you.



then you had new DATA bits and pieces which made the PROOF that indeed, it is not a duck who made the 'quak'.

[Joit]

Agent.A
I am not here to play Games with you, when you want my Opinion,
then read the whole Thread, i did state it my Opionion allready, what Energy is,
but it seems you dont care about this Thread, so why dont you go back to the Kindergarden,
where you can play your little Games further, and stop messing around here in this Thread.
You have anyway nothing to say about it as just to try to debunk it.

[Jbignes5]

I highly agree but

And this is the kicker. We are not yet ready to start the real evidence. We must gather all available ideas and experiments like on this forum to find a minimum to start with. We are concerned with building the foundation from what the well established members have collected. We neither have the strength nor the time to do this for others. When the guys who have been around the corner more then once want to gather and share productive ideas that most of those members know about, why? because we have researched it together.
I don't want to preclude anyone but that should be self organizing as well, meaning that if one wants to know about energy and what it is there are tons of threads to read. One should want to educate themselves before they trod on others threads and carry over an argument from another thread into this one. That is not good forum posture.
When Aromaz talks we all listen. Now why is that? Because he is well respected and most of the active members here in this thread are well respected as well including you Harvey. So we have a mutual respect for one another. We don't play idiotic games and try to disrupt the flow of the ideas with lame attempts at sarcasm or pictures. Hence why my last statement stands. If he wants to learn what energy is then he should read everything on this forum like most of us do. We watch all the videos and have formulated ideas as to why the experiments are going in such a direction.
If he has a problem with this idea then he should say so and start another thread instead of treding on out train of thought or even educate himself like we have done. We will not do that part for him. This new energy must be understood from learning about it not disrupting the flow.
Here is a clue his game hasn't changed Harvey not in the least bit. He has it in his mind what he thinks is happening. Good then let him design an application for it and leave us to doing our own thing.

[witsend]

LOL It seems that everyone has their own ideas about this. But to get back to Aromaz's ideas - I think your introduction to the topic is very well written and very thought provoking.

Still not sure how you see that first energy and I rather sympathise with Agent.A's argument. Is that first 'energy' just a jumble of little photons? How else do they manifest as photons? In other words, what brings the photon into being as an identifiable spherically shaped piece matter from 'nothing'. To me that's the question that is more to the point. What comes from the void to materialise into anything at all?

I can see how they would materialise provided that the energy itself is material. Maybe just a very small value of the photon itself?

[Agent.A]

Agent.A
I am not here to play Games with you, when you want my Opinion,
then read the whole Thread, i did state it my Opionion allready, what Energy is,
but it seems you dont care about this Thread, so why dont you go back to the Kindergarden,
where you can play your little Games further, and stop messing around here in this Thread.
You have anyway nothing to say about it as just to try to debunk it.

Joit,

First, i posted my own theory on the first page,
and what seems as its supportive DATA, i really dont know, there are many things to check.

you can ask me about this idea/theory/hypothesis ( or any of mine ) and i'll try to explain from ware i got it and how it came to be,
ie, GIVE ANSWERS, even if i'll have to repeat myself about something i wrote elsewhere and explain AGAIN my line of thoughts.

if im being asked too meny time the same questions by meny people,
i'll gather all my knowledge to a single archive and refer anybody to that first and continue when that anybody catches up with me.
and if that anybody have any questions in the process, i'll try to answer the best i can.

I WILL NOT ANSWER -> "this is my theory/logic and you have to figure out how i got it, now go away !"

it seems that im very different in my attitude and much more open to questions and debate then many of you, but im the one being accused as being "close minded"

Second, people gave their theories and some wrote that questions are welcomed. i did just that.
i asked questions about their ideas and the origin of them.

Third, i have NO intention, NONE WHAT SO EVER, to debunk this thread.
if corrie feels that i am not welcomed and will ask me to leave,
i'll do just that with no hard feelings or play the idiot like juju did in my thread.

i do what i want, not what you want!

Im a free being, ill post were i want, when i want, whatever i want!