Energy and Polarity

[Aromaz]

Just to play devil’s advocate on myself: Contradict or cause a Paradox:

The Accountant way : I can also argue that:

Polarity was first; that is needed to create Electricity. Flow of electricity cause Magnetism;
Is that now how we make magnets today, every day, all over the world?
We use high power DC electricity to magnetize permanent magnets.

Thus if a object is magnetic, it has that permanent alignment;
two magnets together S-S or S-N are just the RESULT of the electricity.

Electricity makes Magnetism;
Magnetism + Magnetism can not make Electricity. Why?
The Child cannot make the Parent.

Sorry folks, I am just having a bit of fun here pulling on your legs.
Shows how the same argument can work both ways.
Please call a mathematician!

My real view will follow after suspense time;
I am going to drink coffee first; 16h00 here.

[Aromaz]

Two magnets - No electricity

@witsend:

In reality or answer will take a lot of work and few pages of writing. I have never seen a suitable answer on this – yet.

This should be later in our chronology, but is related and I have no problem in breaking the boredom of chaining events somewhat. Besides, this answer might already open some minds as to the real potential and working of Alternative energy.

Thus I propose: and we can work on this as much as you like (You can publish.)

First we will need to review Electricity and the causes; just a little. Electricity is the result when unbalanced polarity is trying to create balance. In that process there is movement, vibration and possibly re-location of electrons (and other ‘particles’)

In other words: The effect of relocating electrons in an attempt to balance polarity, a flow of electron energy is taking place. This cause vibration, heat – and light.

In a magnet you have the same atoms, but these atoms are already aligned – polarity wise; perfectly balanced on opposite sides of the magnet. That is why you can never get the magnet to be stronger on one pole than the other; the moment that happens you will have a re-alignment and balance again; even when breaking it.

Now, when you bring two magnets together, there is a force between two groups/clusters of aligned atoms; they will push or attract; but they will not cause re-alignment of the atoms in the other unit.

While you have force of pushing S to S, you also have two equal forces of N and N balancing out on the opposite end of the same magnet. While you have S to N pulling, you also have the opposite end of the same magnet balancing out.

No re-alignment of polarity = No electricity.

Now here is the interesting and strange phenomena; does not comply with any of the above.

If you string a few magnets together S-N S-N S-N – the end result is S-N on opposite ends of the string and everything in-between is the same until the pivot point. IOW- twenty S-N magnets stringed together will yield only one each of S and N on the unit.

POINTS:

• Magnetic force (indulgence me to call it force) cause an alignment from chaos in the atoms of matter;
• Such action of alignment cause friction, heat and - electricity.
• The moment there is alignment, electricity stops.
• If the magnet and copper wire are lying motionless next to each other; there is no electricity in either.
• The magnet is a balance of opposites grouped in two clusters; N and S poles.
• The one is always keeping the other under ‘protection; or ‘control’. So while the S pole is working on alignment of some atoms in a coil, the N pole will keep the S in control.

Two(or more) magnets cannot generate electricity because their atoms are
aligned; not chaotic AND one pole maintains the integrity of the other pole;
within the same magnet.

[Aromaz]

@Inquorate,

I see you a long times viewing here; but no posting?

Not used to see Ben so quiet!

Come on, let loose my friend, I am eagerly awaiting your duties
of "Devil's advocate"

[Aromaz]

Magnet - Polarity - Keeping the other in control
Somewhere in my old brain there is a knock I cannot find exactly:

I THINK: Einstein at one time talked something about atoms/matter being able to ‘communicate’ over distance?

I cannot find it on the net, might also been someone else. Anyone that can refresh my mind? This might have more relation to this issue at hand; working of the magnet.

[Inquorate]

oops, I pressed the wrong button on the poll. Not boring, a number of posts have been very thought provoking.

But I would like to see things go from; ''if'' to ''if, then''

I will accept that we can never 'see' a particle, just the effects of the particle. Therefore we can't be certain it is there; we can only assume that something was disturbed.

I believe that a particle / wave / packet / quanta is just a standing wave or vortex, a point of low pressure in the aether, which the aether rushes in to fill, and fuels the vortex. This sustains the particle. The particle itself has no energy, and is constantly being created.

I refer people again to the series of videos I put up on the properties of the aether.

What i'm interested in is, what does that mean? Where does it put us? What can we do if it's true?

[Aromaz]

. . . But I would like to see things go from; ''if'' to ''if, then''

What i'm interested in is, what does that mean? Where does it put us? What can we do if it's true?

I will give my original purpose; later it had lots of babies though all still related.

IF we can succeed in understanding the original formation of polarity and magnetism;

THEN we can use either or both such concepts to artificially created the perfect condition for the cycle of making-and-breaking to go indefinitely. Create the perfect condition for continues cycle.

I do believe Sweet Floyd must have stumbled upon a similar result with his oscillating magnets.

Nearly a year ago I went off on the hunt for nuclear; an found more puzzles. This is the continuation of that quest; but have the inkling feeling I am VERY near to major breakthrough/revelation.

Imagine you can charge and un-charge a magnet; all in natural cycle with minimum energy; energy that is generated by creating polarity and neutralizing the polarity in the same cycle or machine. By understanding the natural procedures, we might be able (most likely) to do all of this with very small percentage of recycled energy. Using the natural cycle of Atomic energy.

[Inquorate]

@witsend:

In reality or answer will take a lot of work and few pages of writing. I have never seen a suitable answer on this – yet.

This should be later in our chronology, but is related and I have no problem in breaking the boredom of chaining events somewhat. Besides, this answer might already open some minds as to the real potential and working of Alternative energy.

Thus I propose: and we can work on this as much as you like (You can publish.)

First we will need to review Electricity and the causes; just a little. Electricity is the result when unbalanced polarity is trying to create balance. In that process there is movement, vibration and possibly re-location of electrons (and other ‘particles’)

In other words: The effect of relocating electrons in an attempt to balance polarity, a flow of electron energy is taking place. This cause vibration, heat – and light.

In a magnet you have the same atoms, but these atoms are already aligned – polarity wise; perfectly balanced on opposite sides of the magnet. That is why you can never get the magnet to be stronger on one pole than the other; the moment that happens you will have a re-alignment and balance again; even when breaking it.

Now, when you bring two magnets together, there is a force between two groups/clusters of aligned atoms; they will push or attract; but they will not cause re-alignment of the atoms in the other unit.

While you have force of pushing S to S, you also have two equal forces of N and N balancing out on the opposite end of the same magnet. While you have S to N pulling, you also have the opposite end of the same magnet balancing out.

No re-alignment of polarity = No electricity.

Now here is the interesting and strange phenomena; does not comply with any of the above.

If you string a few magnets together S-N S-N S-N – the end result is S-N on opposite ends of the string and everything in-between is the same until the pivot point. IOW- twenty S-N magnets stringed together will yield only one each of S and N on the unit.

POINTS:

• Magnetic force (indulgence me to call it force) cause an alignment from chaos in the atoms of matter;
• Such action of alignment cause friction, heat and - electricity.
• The moment there is alignment, electricity stops.
• If the magnet and copper wire are lying motionless next to each other; there is no electricity in either.
• The magnet is a balance of opposites grouped in two clusters; N and S poles.
• The one is always keeping the other under ‘protection; or ‘control’. So while the S pole is working on alignment of some atoms in a coil, the N pole will keep the S in control.

Two(or more) magnets cannot generate electricity because their atoms are
aligned; not chaotic AND one pole maintains the integrity of the other pole;
within the same magnet.

That is the best description I've ever read of electricity and magnetism

Following from that, the change in alignment of magnetic lines of force, cause changes in the alignment of electrostatic lines of force, which in turn causes current.

Which is nice, but what can we do with it?

[Aromaz]

That is the best description I've ever read of electricity and magnetism

Following from that, the change in alignment of magnetic lines of force, cause changes in the alignment of electrostatic lines of force, which in turn causes current.

Which is nice, but what can we do with it?

I replied, probably while you were writing.

By understanding the creation, we can become creators; (NOT GOD)
of the perfect condition to cause permanent oscilation;
from where we can extract unlimited energy and power
with no fuel, no waste.

[Inquorate]

@ aromaz - that would be nice,

'' Imagine you can charge and un-charge a magnet; all in natural cycle with minimum energy; energy that is generated by creating polarity and neutralizing the polarity in the same cycle or machine. By understanding the natural procedures, we might be able (most likely) to do all of this with very small percentage of recycled energy. Using the natural cycle of Atomic energy.''

Something like this, only turning a magnet off, instead of redirecting the magnetic flux lines, would be fantastic.

mostly permanent magnet motor - Heretical Builders

[witsend]

Magnet - Polarity - Keeping the other in control
Somewhere in my old brain there is a knock I cannot find exactly:

I THINK: Einstein at one time talked something about atoms/matter being able to ‘communicate’ over distance?

I cannot find it on the net, might also been someone else. Anyone that can refresh my mind? This might have more relation to this issue at hand; working of the magnet.

Communication at a distance. This is one of those paradoxes that cannot be explained. Here's the thing. One can isolate a pair of photons in space. Then one can move the one in a predetermined direction and - at the exact same moment in time, the other photon adjusts its position to compensate. There is no evident 'lapse in time' between the two events. It's known as a locality paradox. It indicates that there is a 'link' between the two events and there is no medium to explain that link. And that link is truly 'instantaneous'. This means that there is a communication that occurs at faster than light speed. The only known evidence of such an effect. And it defies the relativity concepts that require that all things are subject to light speed. It's another interesting question.

These adjustments have been proved over a distance of 11 kilometers. And that they adjust at all, still baffles our mainstream scientists. It has NEVER been explained. To my thinking it's the first evidence of a 'force' that exceeds light speed. In effect I've proposed that a magnetic field's velocity through space - exceeds the speed of light.

[Jbignes5]

Wow

You sacrificed yourself as cannon fodder!
Magnetic - Where does the magnetic comes from? Its formation?

Yes, I would like to look – but I was overlooked when they handed Mathematics out.
However I do consider theoretical mathematics the same as a second hand car salesmen or good accountant!
All facts can be twisted to whatever you like the end results to be.

Ok so I guess the spacing of those atoms that you saw between the gold crystals just stay there magically... Like I said the further you look in the more you will see that the view doesn't change.. Lines of force my friend... Lines of force...
Those lines of force organize into the geometry of whatever they emanate from. That is the network I have been talking about. They are somewhat flexible too just like a magnets lines of force. This is because the lines have been locked into each atom. I suspect that why the atoms look like they do. They have a shell of other smaller lines of force at each end. Much like would happen when you press a dialectric to a Tesla coil. What keeps these lines of force in place is exactly what keeps the lines of force intact and stable around a magnet. This is not some miracle force. It does at one point have structure which I suspect is invisible because of the angles present and our vision has limits to it's range. It is exactly what helps us see as well. it makes a fine mesh, mush like an lcd monitor except this one is 3 dimensional. When these structures are hit with the light, the light plays on all the faces and travels in every direction or radiates except where real masses are like at that point earth size particles. The same way our solar system stays together and moving is the same method that happens on the smallest. But light is de3pendant on the composition of that environment. In space since the network is spaced further apart, by how much I don't know, one thing I do know is that there is little mass in ambiance in outer space. Most masses have been collected around other masses via a static potential. I am not saying all particles but they tend to mass together with some being picky and collecting around their own types which I suspect is some kind of resonance. Gas pockets in space will actually illuminate all on their own and will react with any available light radiance so that would be a lot of sources.
In fact the scope shot I showed you is already 2 years old and I doubt that the picture was at the max resolution.
How can we generate light from an led? Well thats easy it is just a certain frequency of energy (moving charges) through the network and those charges
radiate as well Maybe though the medium that the network plays in. Depending on the viewers angle to that energy depends on what the viewer see just by the virtue of mirror like planes around the conductor. Solid objects at that point present a block. Because everything radiates I am starting to believe that it has shells around them that present a focus or defocus effect. I haven't figured that out yet. It might be both but I need to get some 4 sided prisms and see what the exact action that viewing this from different sides or junction and even from the base. I might need two or three to see the light action and the way it propagates through them. I suspect they align tip twords the higher potential. So looking at them from the bottom twords the top should give me clues of how light moves through them in that orientation. Like I said you can not look at energy from thew main point out. You would be guessing just like we have been doing for ages.
The point is moot and I really don't want to argue about it. I will build and implement Tesla's device and see if he was correct. As soon as I get that going then the sooner I can say for sure that I am correct.
I wanted to say this though. In all my investigations of all the inquiries I had I never started in nowhere land and try to see the unseen. It invalidates itself because there is nothing to base anything on. We just keep using the flawed terms and definitions that we had made up to explain effects that we didn't fully understand.
Masses can be charged because they have connections. That is apparent by induction if these connections can be made. I believe that each of these matter collections has those lines of force evenly spaced around and through that matter in a smaller network that is radiative capable with shells of other connectors forming a shell. These shells are "Electron" shells. They are gradient from highest in side to lowest out side.
We know there are lines of force even around wires. They are definable as well. Meaning that if we put a film of "magnetic" reactant film and there are distinct lines formed they are organized and follow same polarity spacing.
The only distinct thing that can be inferred from that is that is what crystals are those shells connected via the masses of connectors that form around these shells the only difference is that there is no matter in the crystal. So that makes it hard to detect them. Light is hard to focus at that level so they use a canon to pickup the reflections of particle. If you are sending a shell of energy twords a smaller object if it doesn't hit it fast enough it won't break that charge up that is coming at it and it kills or knocks the target off view instead of reflecting back. I doubt this method would be able to go further but then again the quantum computers and spintronics will be able to what we can not do now. The only thing with that is now you only get back what you program into it.
I just don't think we are ever going to be able to see these particles. But for me what works on the mass scale must in fact work in a simpler way on the smallest scale. Time will tell. Especially with this device I am building. If he was right and to tell you the truth he was wrong only very few times we will understand nature for how it really works and not how we programmed ourselves that it should work.

[Joit]

Lines of Forces and Fraktals are allways a Effect but never the Cause,
and you see allready at Coils and Water that Waves alone dont do a lot.
And actually its beside the Point when you stick all time at the Waves.
Serioulsy, i dont read your posts complete anymore, Jbignes,
can you focus better please instead making huge Posts where anyhow not much is in as a Theory of Fractals,
and your try to convince as all from it?

[witsend]

Polarity was first; that is needed to create Electricity. Flow of electricity cause Magnetism;
Is that now how we make magnets today, every day, all over the world?
We use high power DC electricity to magnetize permanent magnets.

OK - here's a comparison. If we put two batteries close together in space then the one battery WILL NOT discharge into the other. If we put two magnets together the one magnet WILL influence the other. Why do you think this is? A magnetic field can exert it's force through space. And electric field relies on a circuit path.

Thus if a object is magnetic, it has that permanent alignment; two magnets together S-S or S-N are just the RESULT of the electricity.

It is true that a magnetic field can be induced by an electric field. And vice versa. Therefore could it be that they are one and the same thing? Just that an electric field is limited to a path. A magnetic field is able to reach through space. Just a thought.

Electricity makes Magnetism;
Magnetism + Magnetism can not make Electricity. Why?
The Child cannot make the Parent.

LOL. Very good analogy.

[Jbignes5]

Nah thats ok...

Lines of Forces and Fraktals are allways a Effect but never the Cause,
and you see allready at Coils and Water that Waves alone dont do a lot.
And actually its beside the Point when you stick all time at the Waves.
Serioulsy, i dont read your posts complete anymore, Jbignes,
can you focus better please instead making huge Posts where anyhow not much is in as a Theory of Fractals,
and your try to convince as all from it?

I get it. Don't have to tell me twice. I'll go and search and research alone. I see others are not ready to drop the errors in our previous ways that were designed and proved by math that excuses any example that doesn't comply with it. If you can not see that everything has the fractal nature to it then indeed you have ignored the facts. Fractals don't answer it all but there are laws in fractals that seem to repeat in nature. Over and over and over. Even or brains have fractal like connection in the neurons and ganglia. Our blood vessels have a Fractal nature to it. Tree's have a fractal nature to it, plants as well.
You got it no more walls of text. Actually no more anything. I am starting to gear up for the experiments. Experiments that were done already just to prove that Tesla did in fact hooked to the wheel work of nature, a device that he designed and made and showed off before engineers to show them exactly what I have been saying. I got the point.
Good luck and I'll see you on the other side.

[Aromaz]

[QUOTE=Inquorate;98507Something like this, only turning a magnet off, instead of redirecting the magnetic flux lines, would be fantastic.
[/QUOTE]

Basically and almost:
This is what Joe Flynn is doing with his "Parallel Path Magnetic Technology" PPMT

It is already very effective and in commercial production.