My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

[Stealth]

Mankind has made great strides in engineering and building of structures all over the world. The Romans and Greeks, both were highly technological advanced in their timeframe. But neither could achieve the degree of accuracy or build an actual pyramid of that scale. We today cnnot set the top blocks on the pyramid, even with the largest cranes in the world. Sure, we have built larger structures using steel and concrete, but not with stones that size. The problems don't just involve lifting the blocks into place, but transportation across the desert sand, floating down the nile,moving across the desert sand again, before reaching their destination. Even with our modern machinery, we can't build one on that scale. We can't set the stones with that precision, and we can't cut the stones with that precision. A major contractor from the US visited the great pyramids at Giza, He studied the cut stones, especially the surcoughagus, and determined that it had been cut at a rate far faster than anything we could attempt using our current saw technology,by the saw marks on the stone. It is truly a mystery.Good Luck. Stealth

Hi HairBear;



This is taken out of context. The alien force is warfare. Here is the paragraph this is taken from;



Ronald Reagan - Wikiquote

Al

LOL al, i think you took hairbear's quote and removed the context...
he originally said this:
"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask. Is not an alien force already among us?" - Ronald Reagan

I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
did you miss that part? this sentence is the main point hairbear was making, not the one you chose to quote.

cherry picking is what it's called when you pick and choose the parts that suit your argument...

[ANTIQUER]

Hi HairBear;

Is not an alien force already among us?" - Ronald Reagan

This is taken out of context. The alien force is warfare. Here is the paragraph this is taken from;

*Cannot swords be turned to plowshares? Can we and all nations not live in peace? In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?
o Address to United Nations General Assembly, (1987-09-21)

Ronald Reagan - Wikiquote

Al

Hi HairBear;



There are some real problems with that idea.

1. Enoch did not write The Book Of Enoch. The oldest fragments found date from 400 b.c. The most complete copy is the Ethiopian in Coptic dating to about 250 B.C.

Full article here;

Enoch The Prophet - Crystalinks

2. Angels are spirits and are sexless.Here's the best biblical analysis;
Hebrews 1 - Scofield Reference Notes Bible Commentary


3. As spirits they have no DNA to pass along; why would they?

I don't know which "Gods" you are referring to, but the history of education in America shows we have always striven to educate people, especially the children. And yes, I know most slaves were not. But many other people also were not educated due to various circumstances (and that is still true) and some slaves were educated.

Perhaps you meant uninformed, as that is what certain groups (like the Bilderbergs, etc.,) are currently striving for as they have done for ages.

Al

hi antiquer, i noticed a few problems with your list...

1. hairbear didn't say enoch wrote the book of enoch.

2. angels are imaginary, like pink elephants and unicorns... and no, a passage from the bible is not proof that angels are spirits or sexless, nor is a 'biblical analysis'. perhaps you meant angels are believed to be spirits and sexless?

3. this is just an assumption of yours. point of fact, you cannot prove they are spirits so how can you claim with any certainty anything about their dna? see the first sentence in response 2...

schooling has always gotten in the way of people's education, especially in the united states.

[Stealth]

There are many such mysteries in the deserts,especially the larger ones. Glass sheets have been discovered in the deserts.The only possible explination for this is that a nuclear or other high electrical explosion heated the sand to such enormous temperatures that it fused it into glass. Also,there is no reason a desert should exist on our planet,except lack of water. It has been determined that where most deserts exist, is where major civilizations once existed. Someone decimated these with a power of such devastation to totally aniliate the structure and or inhabitants. We have not witnessed this kind of power on earth, even Hiroshima or Nagasaki. So, sometime in prehistoric history, someone had a power far beyond what we have today. We haven't a clue who these people were or where they came from. Maybe Genesis 6:6? Good Luck. Stealth

[ANTIQUER]

Hi HairBear;

It is in my opinion that the "Gods" want to keep us uneducated for the most part like the days of slavery in the United States. All we need to know is enough to do our jobs. Compartmentalization disguised as specializing. In the book of Enoch, it is written,the one crime that the IGIGI(angels) committed, that was the most punishable, was teaching humans how to read. 200 or so angels decided to take human wives and teach humans the secrets of the heavens. The results of this were the giants as offspring from a union of the two species. These angels were punished by being banished to this planet. Or also known as "The Fallen Angels".

There are some real problems with that idea.

1. Enoch did not write The Book Of Enoch. The oldest fragments found date from 400 b.c. The most complete copy is the Ethiopian in Coptic dating to about 250 B.C.

In the case of the Books of Enoch, the actual writers or compilers chose a figure who was the source of many legends and tales, the most notable being his transformation by God into the truly powerful angel Metatron. While decidedly uncanonical, the three books remain fascinating and colorful reading, as well as treasures of detail and fanciful images concerning angels

Full article here;

Enoch The Prophet - Crystalinks

2. Angels are spirits and are sexless.Here's the best biblical analysis;
Hebrews 1 - Scofield Reference Notes Bible Commentary


3. As spirits they have no DNA to pass along; why would they?

I don't know which "Gods" you are referring to, but the history of education in America shows we have always striven to educate people, especially the children. And yes, I know most slaves were not. But many other people also were not educated due to various circumstances (and that is still true) and some slaves were educated.

Perhaps you meant uninformed, as that is what certain groups (like the Bilderbergs, etc.,) are currently striving for as they have done for ages.

Al

[HairBear]

"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask. Is not an alien force already among us?" - Ronald Reagan

[Jbignes5]

It is in my opinion that the "Gods" want to keep us uneducated for the most part like the days of slavery in the United States. All we need to know is enough to do our jobs. Compartmentalization disguised as specializing. In the book of Enoch, it is written,the one crime that the IGIGI(angels) committed, that was the most punishable, was teaching humans how to read. 200 or so angels decided to take human wives and teach humans the secrets of the heavens. The results of this were the giants as offspring from a union of the two species. These angels were punished by being banished to this planet. Or also known as "The Fallen Angels".

I really think there are two factions of these "Gods" one wanted to help themselves and the other wanted to help their creation. Even in the book of the flood presented by the Sumerians it clearly shows a division between the "gods". With one side fighting the next about weather the created ones had the right to live. When the side that didn't want them to live actually tried to snuff everything out the other side made it possible for us to survive. It is probably what drove them off the planet finally to let us find our own way. It could be that the "gods" had other bases like an Atlantis and the complex around the Great pyramids. With Atlantis surrounded with water to protect their highest secrets.
There are spots on our current world that show signs of Nuclear like impacts that can not be explained and was not caused by us. It would seem to me that there was a civil type war or the likes as they debated over our fate. We were getting out of control and they needed to do something about it. Some of their civilization decided to save us and did what was required of them by their conscience.
There could be quite possibly ones left behind as a punishment for helping us survive. It could be why Ra was mentioned as the son of god? Since he was the direct off shoot of the left over "gods". I guess we will never know until we find actual proof written. It could be the ones who are in control now have that proof and keep it from us to keep their control. I doubt they are doing that for any other reason then they like the position of power they are in atm.

[Schpankme]

theory goes like this: Whoever designed and built the pyramid complex, be it aliens, the Sumerians, or the Gods, did it long before any "Egyptians" existed, and they didn't give them any tools or technology.

The Great Pyramid is indeed a sermon in stone. Its magnitude overwhelms the puny sensibilities of man. Among the shifting sands of time it stands as a fitting emblem of eternity itself. Who were the illumined mathematicians who planned its parts and dimensions, the master craftsmen who supervised its construction, the skilled artisans who turned its blocks of stone? - Manly P Hall

Was the Great Pyramid, then erected before the invention of hieroglyphics, and previous to the birth of the Egyptian religion? Time may yet prove that the upper chambers of the Pyramid were a sealed mystery before the establishment of the Egyptian empire. In the light if the secret philosophy of the Egyptian initiates, W.W. Harmon, by a series of extremely complicated yet exact mathematical calculations; determines that the first ceremonial of the Pyramid was performed 68,973 years ago on the occasion when the star Vega for the first time sent its ray down the descending passage into the pit.

The Great Pyramid was built of limestone and granite throughout, the two kinds of rock being combined in a peculiar and significant manner. The stones were trued with the utmost precision, and the cement used was of such remarkable quality that it is now practically as hard as the stone itself. The limestone blocks were sawed with bronze saws, the teeth of which were diamonds and other jewels. The chips from the stones were piled against the north side of the plateau on which the structure stands, where they form an additional buttress to aid in supporting the weight of the structure. The entire Pyramid is an example of perfect orientation and actually squares the circle. This last is accomplished by dropping a vertical line from the apex of the Pyramid to its base line. If this vertical line be considered as the radius of an imaginary circle, the length of the circumference of such a circle will be found to equal the sum of the base lines of the four sides of the Pyramid.

- Schpankme

[HairBear]

It is in my opinion that the "Gods" want to keep us uneducated for the most part like the days of slavery in the United States. All we need to know is enough to do our jobs. Compartmentalization disguised as specializing. In the book of Enoch, it is written,the one crime that the IGIGI(angels) committed, that was the most punishable, was teaching humans how to read. 200 or so angels decided to take human wives and teach humans the secrets of the heavens. The results of this were the giants as offspring from a union of the two species. These angels were punished by being banished to this planet. Or also known as "The Fallen Angels".

[Jbignes5]

Rich again very astute.

I believe the point of contact was indeed in the Sumerian era. This leeds to the opinion that you provided and mine as well. They didn't give the tech to the Egyptians because the Egyptians were the eventual children of the Sumerian culture. Hence the "God" Ra. Ra was a direct relative of the Last of the Sumerians. I believe this is told in all of the Egyptians texts. When you follow this back to the Sumerian texts you start to understand that the contact point was in that Earlier society. After all they tell of where the knowledge came from. They never professed that they themselves came up with any of those ideas. They always refer to the "gods" as the gifter of this knowledge to them.
It is quite clear that there was an outside influence in their society that changed everything they knew. If this Ra who descended from the Sumer civilization had a complete reference to the whole Sumerian knowledge this could be the library that they refer to. If something happened after they the "Gods" left like a war happened which is quite possible he (Ra) was forced to leave and keep that knowledge buried to not let it do what it did to his forefathers civilization until we attained a certain level of wisdom.
I guess the warlike attitude could be attributed to the small portion of the "Caveman" genes. Further poof of this is evident all through our history. Man was not ready for the technology then or up to now. I can see we are changing in our thought and this is a good sign but then again we are still under the thumb of an unseen force that doesn't want our freedom. They hide it and subject us to continued slavery to their wills. Until we have had enough of this there will never be the great enlightening that will allow us to fully understand the gifts that were given to us. Outside intervention or even a buried inside enlightenment will set us free.
Either way there will be proof. Weather we allow this now or have to wait for that proof to manifest in everyones eyes it will happen.

[rickoff]

The nova links showed how they could have drilled the granite and sawn it. Maybe that's not proof to a %100 surety, but it certainly is a great theory proven by demonstration.

The saw cut shown looked pretty sloppy to me, and remember that the coffer would have required a saw of about 9 feet in length. With that length, saw teeth constantly getting dulled down, and pinching and twisting of the saw blade, precision cutting would not have been possible.

I believe they would have quarried and polished the red granite coffer in the same manner, drilling a series of holes to remove the inner core material, then heating and cooling to flake off larger chunks left between the holes, and then polishing the sides and bottom.

Microscopic inspection of the coffer interior reveals that it was drilled, but drilled with sapphire, ruby, or diamond tipped drills using a two ton force. How do you suppose the Egyptians could have accomplished that? By pounding with diorite balls? If you say "drilled," then drilled with what?

I have some questions for you. If aliens gave this tech to Egyptians or Sumerians, why didn't they give them better tools to do the job?

My theory goes like this: Whoever designed and built the pyramid complex, be it aliens, the Sumerians, or the Gods, did it long before any "Egyptians" existed, and they didn't give them any tools or technology. The early Egyptians, groups of nomads, gathered at the pyramid site from outlying areas, being drawn to it in amazement. Remember, it could be seen from far distances. These nomadic people were happy to settle around the site. After studying these objects for a thousand years or more, they may well have attempted building similar structures on a smaller scale, but were limited by lack of necessary tools and knowledge of higher mathematics such as was used in designing the Great Pyramid.


Rick

[Stealth]

Yes, it's true, so much of our history has been lost because of the fact that many generations of people lived before the advent of writing. Some of the stories handed down from generation to generation was by word of mouth. When stories handed down like this are relayed to son, there is a certain amount of fabrication involved. Like the experiment where one child tells another something and when the last child tells his version at the end of the line, it is totally different from the original saying. Atlantis and Mu may just be mythical kingdoms, but could in fact have been very advanced civilizations lost to antiquity. Knowledge from these kingdoms may in fact be stored in secret places awaiting our development to a level of knowledge to understand their technology. We would have to develope a certain realm of understanding before being capabile of finding this storehouse of knowledge left for us to find and use. mankind has not gone from caveman to computer in a straight line, but rather, has several ups and downs along the way. Many civilizations have risen to great heights of technology, only to revert to a simpler way of life. Good Luck. Stealth

[Jbignes5]

I tend to agree with you Stealth..

I think you are right but yet there is no proof as of yet of these civilizations. It doesn't invalidate them but I tend to go with the proofs that we have found. So far the Sumer society is the earliest know recorded society to have advanced knowledge of technology or any other so far. Yes there are stories but until we get irrefutable proof then we have to stay with the proof supplied by history.
Right now the earliest that I have seen is the Sumer society or Sumerian. Since this is where Ra was reputed to come from this would be the best source and might I add most abundant supply of information written or recorded. It could be that These "gods" had real cities much in the form of Atlantis or MU but as far as the Sumerian records go there is no mention of them. But that doesn't invalidate the stories it just moves them into the myth section until we get more information or find the Library that they deposited. It could be very well that the Sumerian cities had an Atlantis type city that was only for the "gods" which would make sense, since the visitors that came to Sumer civilization would need a base that was separated from the rest to keep from giving too much information to them about who or what they were. But that connection hasn't been established yet.

[Stealth]

There were two supposedly higher civilizations on earth before the Egytians. Both Mu and Atlantis, and one or both were probably responsible for building all the pyramids, all over the world, long before the Egytians ever came on to the scene. Both of these civilizations disappeared before the Egytians occupied the land in the middle east. The Nile had, at one time, ran into two other rivers,that evidence shows from satellite photos, of having run straight through the Sahara deset. Atlantis supposedly was the most advanced civilization ever established on earth. We do not know much about their history,civilization,culture or machinery, but they were master builder on a large scale. It was recorded in Homer about their many exploits into other countries, and their influence on these civilizations.Mayans,Aztecs,Egytians,Minoans and others all were most likely influenced and helped by the se advanced civilizations with their building and cutting and or moving of these heavy stones. The Egytians only inherited this land with a Sphinx and pyramids already in place. Stealth