Ammonia (NH3) as fuel for car

[Oneminde]

CaOH2+NH42SO4=CaSO4+2NH3+2H2O

Calcium Hydroxide + Ammonium sulphate = Calcium Sulfate + Ammonia + Water.

This must be a solid ammonia fuel reaction (Ammine)

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo,

See reference from Lateral Science page posted in this thread about Langmuir
and atomic hydrogen. You might find something new if you read it.

Yes, currently looking for low current plasma. Found this to be interesting:


Notice that the input is air! The output is Helium and nitrogen oxide! There should be N too. If we introduce water after it and do another sparking, we should have H20 react to N and NO, because the O is already bonded to N. The results are maybe NOx, NH3 and H2. Where NOx and NH3 ratio will depend on the input hydrogen content. Many report (including from car manufacturer) that rich mixture result in more NH3, lean mixture result in more NOx. I think this means if we don't produce much NH3, we just add more water. We then heat it up like mentioned by Ted Hollier.

That also looks like a gas processor that can give back energy . A perfect device for onboard ammonia generation. This is why I currently look for efficient plasma. Not just applying voltage and expecting sparc, but a rectifying plasma where energy gain is confirmed by scientist.

Helium-3 propulsion is a proposed method of spacecraft propulsion that uses the fusion of helium-3 atoms as a power source. Helium-3, an isotope of helium with two protons and one neutron, could be fused with deuterium in a reactor. The resulting energy release could be used to expel propellant out the back of the spacecraft.

Deuterium is hydrogen which contain neutron, Helium-3 is Helium missing one neutron. Complicated....

I guess it just easier to experiment and see what explode....

[Aaron]

Ammonia Fuel - NH3

Read Bamachem's posts
water to HHO in gas engine
He doesn't see the full potential of what can happen but he is spelling
out a reality.

http://www.nyserda.org/chpnys/2004/Session%2001/Advanced%20Engine%20Systems%20-%20Gordon%20Gerber%20-%20Caterpillar.pdf

Page 10 is interesting. Just more showing the cleaning properties of
ammonia reactions.

High-temperature kinetics of ammonia-air combustion

Combustion of Ammonia for Reduced CO2 in Heating and Power Generation Systems

* Electrochemical synthesis of ammonia - Google Patent Search

Products of reaction of nitrogen atoms with amidogen - The Journal of Physical Chemistry (ACS Publications)

Plasma Chemistry - Google Books

ScienceDirect - Applications of Surface Science : Interactions of nitrogen and hydrogen on iron surfaces

http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/900G0800.txt?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=EPA&Index =1976%20Thru%201980&Docs=&Query=%22ammonia%20combu stion%22%20%22gas%20turbine%22%20ionization&Time=& EndTime=&SearchMethod=3&TocRestrict=n&Toc=&TocEntr y=&QField=pubnumber^%22600777073B%22&QFieldYear=&Q FieldMonth=&QFieldDay=&UseQField=pubnumber&IntQFie ldOp=1&ExtQFieldOp=1&XmlQuery=&File=D%3A\ZYFILES\I NDEX%20DATA\76THRU80\TXT\00000010\900G0800.txt&Use r=ANONYMOUS&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=h|-&MaximumDocuments=10&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r7 5g8/r75g8/x150y150g16/i425&Display=p|f&DefSeekPage=x&SearchBack=ZyAction L&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPa ges=1&ZyEntry=1

ScienceDirect - Symposium (International) on Combustion : Flame-propagation rates in ammonia-air combustion at high pressure

http://telstar.ote.cmu.edu/environ/m3/s3/energy_sys.pdf

A Survey of American chemistry - Google Books - page 143

[sucahyo]

Thanks . bamachem post is inspiring .

Many of the process use plasma and a pure nitrogen and hydrogen. The plasma chemistry book info is interesting because it seems there are low wattage plasma available now.

The catalyst is not just iron and nickel but better catalyst introduced are Ruthenium & Palladium.

iastate is the source of many picture I post before.

[tutanka]

Hmm. Nitrous Oxide N2O has nothing to do with this one, if that would be the case, then we are dealing with 4 compounds.
I was reffering to the original fuel mixture.

Never mind oxygen right now, oxygen is used as an oxidation compound only.

So - we have NH3 + ?(g) + ?(l) .. give it another try

(It is possible that Meyer made N2O, I am not going to argue on that one - not yet)

If you know the answer then you write it without to play, or you want to only play? You have obtain from me some input about that, I remember to you that initially you have start your voltrolisys project and after you have changed opinion because hydrogen isn't just way, and now you want to be the "illuminated"..

[sucahyo]

Catalyst patent 3770658





ammonia onboard generation, ICE with electrolysis, patent 4326483:


The engine use oxidized NH3!

[tutanka]

Catalyst patent 3770658


The engine use oxidized NH3!

Hello Sucahyo only one question.. but why every found and to see patents? You forget that Meyer have written wrong patent for protection? I suggest you to think with your mind.. solution is simple are you that doesn't see

[Oneminde]

If you know the answer then you write it without to play, or you want to only play? You have obtain from me some input about that, I remember to you that initially you have start your voltrolisys project and after you have changed opinion because hydrogen isn't just way, and now you want to be the "illuminated"..

It is for other members, and in part yes, this is a cat and mouse game
The answer will come...

I know the answer and you also know that parts of the research was done a long time ago - the important parts. The change was the substance, the process is similar.

[tutanka]

It is for other members, and in part yes, this is a cat and mouse game
The answer will come...

I know the answer and you also know that parts of the research was done a long time ago - the important parts. The change was the substance, the process is similar.

You make me alone to laugh. Tasks of clever being. you make the master with mine input and answer the false one to the questions that they make you. Or you answer with correctness or you stop to write here. And you think to know the solution but in fact you don't have start any test only suppositions.. You don't have an lab you work only (with head) into your home.. maybe it's ok for an coffee but only for that..

[Oneminde]

You make me alone to laugh. Tasks of clever being. you make the master with mine input and answer the false one to the questions that they make you. Or you answer with correctness or you stop to write here. And you think to know the solution but in fact you don't have start any test only suppositions.. You don't have an lab you work only (with head) into your home.. maybe it's ok for an coffee but only for that..

What I have or don't have is for me to know and for others to discover. But instead of picking on each other, understand that the world is a stage - it is impossible to play alone. Competion is part of this. So, continue to develop your products and I will do what I need to do. I write in these forums if I feel for it or have information to share and also feel I want to share that information, just as you are doing.
And, why in the h*** did you start answering or do follow ups in these treads if you did not want parts of the information to be revealed?? - think about that one.

[tutanka]

What I have or don't have is for me to know and for others to discover. But instead of picking on each other, understand that the world is a stage - it is impossible to play alone. Competion is part of this. So, continue to develop your products and I will do what I need to do. I write in these forums if I feel for it or have information to share and also feel I want to share that information, just as you are doing.
And, why in the h*** did you start answering or do follow ups in these treads if you did not want parts of the information to be revealed?? - think about that one.

You don't want share any info.. you want create confusion into the minds..
You write yes but wrong informations like meyer patents. I'm sure that you don't have undestand complete reaction for that you are writing on thread. I have share some informations first of you here, true not false information as you are writing, and for your information and for users the gas mixture generated it is formed ONLY from two molecules no more. You have to study more first for obtain just reaction formula and after you have to create functional system because formula isn't all.. after you have to build functional prototype and I can assure that isn't simple.

[Oneminde]

You don't want share any info.. you want create confusion into the minds..
You write yes but wrong informations like meyer patents. I'm sure that you don't have undestand complete reaction for that you are writing on thread. I have share some informations first of you here, true not false information as you are writing, and for your information and for users the gas mixture generated it is formed ONLY from two molecules no more. You have to study more first for obtain just reaction formula and after you have to create functional system because formula isn't all.. after you have to build functional prototype and I can assure that isn't simple.

Everything starts with water and air (chemicals), and after that, study show that there exists several methodes to procude the fuel and/or fuel compounds and yes, nothing of this is simple, it is actually a complicated process, even if it can be explained and proven and used. If it was simple, everyone would develop these types of systems and it would only be one solution, and this is not the fact. So, even if "we" start on a similar level, future results will show that the system on its own is different and use other methodes etc.
We can compare internal combustion engines as an exempel - the principle is the same, the method is different, configuration is different, efficiency is different etc... and they are based upon the same principle.
- Same starting point and same end product (whatever that is) but the stages between is far from equivalent.

Confusion of mind, no, this is not confusion of mind, this is illumination and also to open the possibilety for others to make there own mind up. Meyer is one individual that showed the way, but he is not the only one and even Meyer himself used old physics in order to do what he did, it was teh combination of key elements/stages that gave him the results. So, to be honest, no one is doing a uniq thing here - not even you. There might be some nobel and reengineared stages, methodes or technics, but on an average nothing new under the sun.

And since you do not actually know what I am doing or what solutions I am aiming for, you can not expose me or my process I will end up with. Parts of something do not equal a complete understanding. And remember that this is a public forum.

Now - Tutanka, please respect other researchers including me and that I found a way to make ammonia on demand and other fuel compounds and do please remember that we did never write an NDA or contract - we where unable to do so, and life go's on. You broke the conection and now you are still writing to me on this forum... makes no sence. I suggest to you to be productive in the way you feel works for you, posting here or not, that is up to you. Remember the arguement between Aaron and h2opower - don't be like that. You are better then this.

[tutanka]

Everything starts with water and air (chemicals), and after that, study show that there exists several methodes to procude the fuel and/or fuel compounds and yes, nothing of this is simple, it is actually a complicated process, even if it can be explained and proven and used. If it was simple, everyone would develop these types of systems and it would only be one solution, and this is not the fact. So, even if "we" start on a similar level, future results will show that the system on its own is different and use other methodes etc.
We can compare internal combustion engines as an exempel - the principle is the same, the method is different, configuration is different, efficiency is different etc... and they are based upon the same principle.
- Same starting point and same end product (whatever that is) but the stages between is far from equivalent.

Confusion of mind, no, this is not confusion of mind, this is illumination and also to open the possibilety for others to make there own mind up. Meyer is one individual that showed the way, but he is not the only one and even Meyer himself used old physics in order to do what he did, it was teh combination of key elements/stages that gave him the results. So, to be honest, no one is doing a uniq thing here - not even you. There might be some nobel and reengineared stages, methodes or technics, but on an average nothing new under the sun.

And since you do not actually know what I am doing or what solutions I am aiming for, you can not expose me or my process I will end up with. Parts of something do not equal a complete understanding. And remember that this is a public forum.

Now - Tutanka, please respect other researchers including me and that I found a way to make ammonia on demand and other fuel compounds and do please remember that we did never write an NDA or contract - we where unable to do so, and life go's on. You broke the conection and now you are still writing to me on this forum... makes no sence. I suggest to you to be productive in the way you feel works for you, posting here or not, that is up to you. Remember the arguement between Aaron and h2opower - don't be like that. You are better then this.

Oneminde you don't are an illuminated you are only a thief of ideas.. mine ideas.. and I respect all researchers but not you!!! For that reason you can write but only the true not false in order to trick intentionally

[sucahyo]

Hello Sucahyo only one question.. but why every found and to see patents? You forget that Meyer have written wrong patent for protection? I suggest you to think with your mind.. solution is simple are you that doesn't see

I currently try to find a way to try it cheaply. I want to try to make a plasma device using radiant oscillator.

Patent give information. Even if they lie to protect it, no one lie the same way. We just need to find the similarity between many information and use it.

Some mention corona, some arc, some spark, some plasma, some heat and some microwave. What I am after is not sparc. I am after electrode glow. I think glow is better than spark because glow happen on all negative electrode area, where spark only happen on tiny part. If glow is hard, then I try to create arc, a continuous DC fire, sparc is high frequency intermittent AC. Just like mentioned in a book published 90 year ago, arc can be obtained bellow spark voltage region.

My first step is to try to make a super ionizer/reactor. I try to make a circuit and device able to create ozone. Then put them to the air input of an engine. The theory is, if atomic Nitrogen and Oxygen can do wonder on hydrogen oxide (H2O, water), it should do wonder on Hydrocarbon (gasoline/diesel). If atomic Nitrogen can react with water to form ammonia/NOx/nitric acid then it should able to react with hydrocarbon to create ammonia/COx/NOx/nitric acid. If an ozonizer in engine input filter do not change anything, then I need a more powerfull ozonizer.

My first step is to see if the ionizer increase engine input without adding anything else like water or hydroxy. And I think this is a viable way for me.

[Aaron]

Hydroxylamine | Nitrogen Hydroxide

Nitrogen Hydroxide discovered in 1865
Chemical history: reviews of the ... - Google Books
"hydroxylamine"

Maybe the water gas is this and not ammonia or maybe both.
BOTH are possibilities.


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Hydroxylamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hydroxylamine is a reactive chemical with formula NH2OH. It can be considered a hybrid of ammonia and water due to parallels it shares with each. At room temperature pure NH2OH is ordinarily a white, unstable crystalline, hygroscopic compound;[3] however it is almost always encountered as an aqueous solution.


Hydroxylamine tends to be explosive, and the nature of the hazard is not entirely understood. At least two factories dealing in hydroxylamine have been destroyed since 1999 with loss of life.[4] It is known, however, that ferrous and ferric iron salts accelerate the decomposition of 50% NH2OH solutions. Hydroxylamine and its derivatives are more safely handled in the form of salts.
NH2OH is an intermediate in biological nitrification. The oxidation of NH3 is mediated by hydroxylamine oxidoreductase (HAO).

Hydroxylamine explodes with heat:
4 NH2OH + O2 → 2 N2 + 6 H2O


Hydroxylamine