Eccentric Transformer Theory -

[Armagdn03]

The whole purpose of this thread is to describe how eccentricity in transformer action can lead to a separation or an apparent imbalance in Lenz law.

This can be shown easily with electrostatics much like Dr Stiffler was doing, or one can go the preferred magnetic route as MK1 has done. There are many things to take into consideration in each build.

Many of these same goals and observations carry on in other threads also such as the Kapandze thread on OU.com.

One could view the goal as this....

We wish to create a disturbance in the environment with a resonant action. We wish to use this kinetic disturbance to create a useful EMF for powering our lives. And...we wish the action of the created EMF to be invisible to the resonant source.

One of the main problems, is that any loading placed on the induced EMF will be 180 degrees out of phase with the resonant source. As I have shown, this loading may be very much lower than would be expected, and as such an energy gain may be had. However a 4x energy gain can dissapear very very quickly if you have not thought out the problem completely (speaking of maximum energy transfer theorem etc.) In fact if the pick up coil is in any way resonant, it may build up a reactive current, which will be magnified back at the source, very detrimental. One would need to have the pick up inductor, discharge into a capacitor (NEVER INTO ITS OWN INTER WINDING CAPACITANCE) Then the capacitor to load...NEVER BACK TO THE INDUCTOR.

Remember we have x energy from a coil to deal with. Any resistive load placed directly on it will automatically place us at detriment because of maximum energy transfer theorem. It is the capacitance to which it is discharged that allows us to use the energy efficiently.

It remains however that what we are looking for is a disconnect mechanism from inducing source, to induced load. We have one good mechanism (eccentricity) to do this with....but this may be taken a step further......

[Armagdn03]

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

ah....I see....

create 2 different frequencies....an interference pattern is created....normally this interference pattern would be destructive....put in an element to suck up the interference pattern and the source frequencies are unaltered

not really related, or maybe it is...but didn't Royal Rife get past the normal optical magnification barrier by using a few different frequencies of light to illuminate microscopic organisms, and the interference pattern created by the different frequencies became a frequency in the visible spectrum? Whereas normally you can't magnify past a certain point because interference patterns show up and distort the image.

[Armagdn03]

ah....I see....

create 2 different frequencies....an interference pattern is created....normally this interference pattern would be destructive....put in an element to suck up the interference pattern and the source frequencies are unaltered

not really related, or maybe it is...but didn't Royal Rife get past the normal optical magnification barrier by using a few different frequencies of light to illuminate microscopic organisms, and the interference pattern created by the different frequencies became a frequency in the visible spectrum? Whereas normally you can't magnify past a certain point because interference patterns show up and distort the image.

The interference pattern created could be very large, consider the wavelength of a 500,000hz wave, however in the "near field" you will see the field summation and subtraction as a result of the beat frequency. This will essentially be a degaussing wave. This will scatter the ordered biased core, then let it return to coherance.

I had no idea Rife did what you say, though I have not read a ton on the subject. I would be very interested to read more on this if you have a good source on hand!!! Thanks!

[Armagdn03]

Some might also recognize that an "iron" core will alter its inductance approaching saturation. Therefore the following pages can and will be of use in understanding the complete process.

2SGen, an amazing tiny Solid State Generator by JL Naudin

[mk1]

@all

Sorry for the late reply , here is where i posted all the details and process of construction , i however did not have time to work on it lately .

Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils around page 10 you see the construction of the coil pictured .

I posted on you tube most of my findings ... you can see also other early prototypes .

YouTube - abramrk1's Channel


Mark

[tagor]

" T-Rex Speaks:
There are some very serious misconceptions in the world of Electrical Engineering today. (The writings of Oliver Heaviside and Proteus Steinmetz gravely warned about this...) Let us start with the YouTube MIT Physics Demo video that Armagdn03 posted a link to on 11-10-2009 on page 2 of this thread. This is a good demonstration for several reasons.



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the link is here :

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-2.html

[nali2001]

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[Peter B]

Sorry i'm so late

Hi, like I said sorry for being late (hopefully someone replies), but I am curious as to how you have allowed for the energy used to 'charge' the secondary sphere. You say 16 units go in, 4 are used to charge the secondary, and then 1 is reflected back to the primary from the ususal 1/R2 law etc. I think it would also be prudent to rigorously define what units you are dealing with (i.e. 16 units means nothing; say 16Tesla, or Ampere-turns, or Webers; all have a different meaning). Please beleive me when I say that i'm not trying to be a jerk, but it sounds like pseudo-science without a rigorous,harsh definition and clear explaination of every single step.

The thing that bothers me ultimately, is that you sat 4 'units' are received by the secondary. Then these 4 untis are absorbed and not available as recoverable energy from the primary!! That is: 16 units go in, 4 disappear to charge the secondary sphere. That leaves 12 units, not 16!!!!!!!!!! So when you get the 1 unit back, you have 13 units........ Sounds like a perfectly clear explaination of the conservation law to me. That law has stood for 150 years; I have been involved in this field for 10 of those years. I'm not saying that I can't be proven wrong, but give an explaination that involves a true dimensional analysis, and a powerful mathematical explaination why Maxwell should eat his hat. Until then, i'm going to beleive that you and all others like you have forgotten that energy is REQUIRED to charge the secondary sphere. Unless, or course, it's got something to do with the Earth's magnetic field providing free energy or something, in which case Maxwell still wears his hat...

Like I said i'm not a jerk trying to hurt anyone, but i've spent a long time developong a conclusinve model in my mind of how classical electromagnetism works, and I can't imagine that placing two conducting spheres next to each other, and feeding one with resonant AC, would give you free energy?????!!!!!!!! As if someone else hasn't found it by now????!!!!

[boguslaw]

good thread but I think is not active

[Naboo]

Thank you!

Hi everybody, first of all Armageddon I have to thank you so much for making your idea clear and easy to grasp, after I read your first post in the eccentric TF tread at OU.com I understand your videos so much better now.
A real aha experience!

@Peter B
It is normal to use symbols or placeholders to make formulas and relationships simpler, such as using V for velocity instead of limiting it to either feets per second or meters per second etc.

If I understand the basic idea, eccentricity is important, but what is really important is the transmitter and receiver role in this kind of device.
In a standard transformer what is sought is almost perfect coupling between the coils, and any deviation from that is equated to as a loss.


Again what Armageddon has said explains it if digested properly.
Lets just imagine that we have a transmitter coil of dimensions and alternating current capable of creating a B field of 80 gauss.
If we had a receiver coil superimposed over the transmitter it should then had felt the full 80 gauss field.
So, if we then move it further away (can be done in many variants), so that the distance between them is as proposed 2 times the transmitter's radius, the 80 gauss should have been reduced 16 times down to 5 gauss as per the law of squares. This will then be sensed and converted to emf at the receiver, and once used to move current will generate the resulting counter magnetic field (Lenz's law).

Now as has been said, that emitted counter magnetic field will undergo the same reduction of intensity as the source field did, which means that the transmitting coil will experience whatever is re-emitted from the receiver as 16 times smaller than it originally was.


In a standard transformer the back emf will always be very close to 100 percent because this is how we have decided that they are to be constructed.
I think it is very easy to forget important questions when you are told that "this is how it works, and it can work no other way".

Our history is littered with incredible claims of devices and stories of persecution as the resulting response. I do not believe all of these are faked, and the more I look into the human side of them the more credible many of them sounds. As I think is mentioned Hubbard's coil seems to fit with this theory.
It also seems to go very nicely together with this video from Lidmotor: YouTube - Motor - Generator running on a capacitor.ASF

All the best
Julian

[Armagdn03]

Hi everybody, first of all Armageddon I have to thank you so much for making your idea clear and easy to grasp, after I read your first post in the eccentric TF tread at OU.com I understand your videos so much better now.
A real aha experience!

@Peter B
It is normal to use symbols or placeholders to make formulas and relationships simpler, such as using V for velocity instead of limiting it to either feets per second or meters per second etc.

If I understand the basic idea, eccentricity is important, but what is really important is the transmitter and receiver role in this kind of device.
In a standard transformer what is sought is almost perfect coupling between the coils, and any deviation from that is equated to as a loss.


Again what Armageddon has said explains it if digested properly.
Lets just imagine that we have a transmitter coil of dimensions and alternating current capable of creating a B field of 80 gauss.
If we had a receiver coil superimposed over the transmitter it should then had felt the full 80 gauss field.
So, if we then move it further away (can be done in many variants), so that the distance between them is as proposed 2 times the transmitter's radius, the 80 gauss should have been reduced 16 times down to 5 gauss as per the law of squares. This will then be sensed and converted to emf at the receiver, and once used to move current will generate the resulting counter magnetic field (Lenz's law).

Now as has been said, that emitted counter magnetic field will undergo the same reduction of intensity as the source field did, which means that the transmitting coil will experience whatever is re-emitted from the receiver as 16 times smaller than it originally was.


In a standard transformer the back emf will always be very close to 100 percent because this is how we have decided that they are to be constructed.
I think it is very easy to forget important questions when you are told that "this is how it works, and it can work no other way".

Our history is littered with incredible claims of devices and stories of persecution as the resulting response. I do not believe all of these are faked, and the more I look into the human side of them the more credible many of them sounds. As I think is mentioned Hubbard's coil seems to fit with this theory.
It also seems to go very nicely together with this video from Lidmotor: YouTube - Motor - Generator running on a capacitor.ASF

All the best
Julian

Wow, my thread is alive again!

This is correct, I used "units" to show relationships without muddling up the concept with other things.

In reality, the unit I use, is an electrostatic field strength unit, volts.

What is interesting is that because this is an LC network in reality (the sun and secondary coils) the phase relationship between the B field energy and the Potential energy will be out of phase 90 degrees, one will be at max while other will be at min and vice versa.

Why this is interesting is that because when on the oscilloscope we measure say a peak of 10 volts, this means that there is no magnetic energy present at that moment. Now if you know your capacitance you can figure out how much that 10 volts represents. this is how......


We know that the energy in a capacitor is 1/2 Capacitance * Voltage^2

Therefore say our capacitance is 2 farads, our energy is 10^2 or 100.

This actually arises of what is called the Pythagorean Therum, bar none one of the most important equations ever known to man.

This is the sum of what I learned from my experiments here.

1) There is a point of maximum transmission which tends to fall about the 2r measurement of the primary.

2) The energy in the system is conserved, no extra lunch yet when energy not electrostatic field units are taken into account.

3) A HIGHER IMPEDANCE POINT can be reached with two coils than could ever be reached with one alone!!! that in itself is incredible, but for reasons which are beyond the grasp of most at the moment.

4)The parent coil alone stratefies the air around it, the addition of another coil makes, orbits, or areas of maximum transmission appear that were not there before.

5)This can be done on a wide band oscillator like SEC as well, the 2r relationship changes because of the ultra wide band emissions.) [/B]

There is one other incredible aspect to this which I will expand upon,
this is how I believe Morray created his device.

[Naboo]

Thank you for all the detail. A lot of this stuff seems to be beyond me to be honest, but I am learning.

I feel one aspect need to be understood better:

The thing that bothers me ultimately, is that you say 4 'units' are received by the secondary. Then these 4 units are absorbed and not available as recoverable energy from the primary!! That is: 16 units go in, 4 disappear to charge the secondary sphere. That leaves 12 units, not 16!!!!!!!!!! So when you get the 1 unit back, you have 13 units........ Sounds like a perfectly clear explanation of the conservation law to me.

This is very interesting in my opinion, and make me relate to what Don Smith has said, even though I know he is kind of controversial to many.

Because the thing is, if you charge a sphere inductively from another sphere (move them close together or excite the source sphere), you will not experience a load. In fact at this point it will as Don has said only copy the potential from the source field. The load appears when we wish to change the source voltage again, or move the source sphere away, as the receiving sphere will hold the source at its current value.
This will then be the electric take on Lenz's law, or rather, Lenz's law is probably a result of this fact.

So it is basically like producing EMF in coils of wire as well. Inducing EMF doesn't cost anything, but once it moves current there will be created a field which opposes the change, but not before.
And lastly, as this opposing field has to move the same distance as the source field, it should be reduced by the same amount... unless of course, something like described in this link happens:
Nikola Tesla Page, Tesla's power receiver

Julian

[Armagdn03]

The thing is I wrote this whole text using Voltage, which is not energy, to convert you need to realize how the law of squares comes into play, hence my last post.

This is conservation of energy, however the reasoning is not right that was quoted

The problem was, I was writing in volts and nobody was converting that to energy. Which was confusing on my part. To re explain was taking alot of time, so I just did my own thing and stopped posting because it was slowing me down.


But you are correct, what I was hoping someone would stumble upon the fact that voltage and energy are not the same, and I have been toying with for a while is what happens when we break the symmetrical condition.

For example, both spheres are spheres and radiate by the inverse squared law. one always feels 1/4 of the other at distance 2r.

BUT, what happens if the transmitter is a laser (coherent EM waves in a beam like arrangement). Now the resonant pick up can stand 100% within the EM field of the transmitter without signal loss (look up audio spotlight, acoustic laser etc.) But its BEMF must still be symmetrical and the source will recieve 1/4 field strength. This is where this was all going. THis is why I was briefly interested in the Magnetic Beam Amplifier, and Dr. Stiffler had a beam device which he never shared which might have fit the bill.

This concept (eccentric transformer) is actually alive and well in Dr. Stifflers private research group and has a lot to do with the 3 coil setup.

Then there is the concept of the Missing Fundamental Generator which takes these fundamental concepts and places them into practice. I believe I posted its concept here post # 05-22-2010 12:49 PM. This is a working device, This uses resonance to achieve results in a similar way to Orbo and Naudin's S2gen device. The concept simplified is to take 2 frequencies, super impose to come up with a third frequency outside the harmonic range (bandwidth) of the first two oscillators, then pick this up with tuned receiver. The BEMF of the 3d frequency will not affect the transmitters in the traditional way because of a one octave or more difference.

What is the most important thing to take from this thread???

Around a transmitter is a point of maximum power transmission, this is the transmission analogue of the maximum power theorem. When secondaries are placed within this preferred radius, a HIGHER impedance point can be reached than with a single coil!!!!!!!! THAT IS HUGE. The system Q goes drastically increases, power loss decreases, transmission decreases, conservation of energy within the structure increases.

Imagine that the existence of the secondary is DEPENDENT on the undulations from the transmitter. Maybe the earth EXISTS because the sun keeps feeding it at one of its maximum transmission points. THen the orbit is not a careful balance of centrifugal force and gravity, rather the earth is and EDDY current, being kept in orbit because cannot leave its orbit, or it is no longer tied to the sum.

In fact I would venture to say that the sum of the energy of the sun, INCLUDES the energy of each of the planets, they are all one and the same.

Just like the energy in a water flow includes the energy bound in eddies along the periphery. thought it may not be conventionally noted.

We are talking about a geometric setup, based on the unit circle and law of squares which possibly peaks into how the world naturally orders itself.

[Armagdn03]

Also, User Raui has been kind enough to set me up a place to post my thoughts, I will mainly be posting there.

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This will tie together this thread with all my others, as they are related.