Can current propagate through a wire in both directions at the same time?

[gmeat]

Hi Everyone,


I'd like to hear everyones thoughts on this subject because I've discovered that in fact it can propagate down a wire in both directions at the same time .I did'nt think that it was possible to do because it would lead to a short circuit.






-Gary

[boguslaw]

very nice circuit
please measure voltage between each + and place pointed by arrow

[Web000x]

@gmeat,

What you have is two circuits sharing the same ground. Superposition Theorem in Electric Circuits shows that the current running thru the wire in question is summed algebraically. If you have one amp opposing one amp, the practical current in the loop cancels to zero. Hope this helps

Dave

[Sephiroth]

I would guess that in the circuit you have drawn it would behave in exactly the same way whether or not the bridge was there or not... two 12v batteries in series with two motors in series.

As a side note (and slightly off topic), current does flow in both directions current isn't the movement of electrons, it is the flow of opposite charges flowing in opposite directions... There is electron current, which is the flow of negative charges, and there is also "conventional current" which is the flow of positive charges being carried by the stationary protons.

[gmeat]

Thx for the reply Guys,



Boguslaw,I get a slight voltage drop of say .02 to .07 depending on which battery I measure.Dave, I'm not sure that the theorum you gave a link to is correct for the circuit that I posted and I say this because the circuit example that they show does'nt have the positives going through each other the way I do.Anyways one other observation I made is that one motor draws more amperage then the other (1 draws about 400 nilliamps the other draws 1.7 amps) so if I measure the amperage where they cross each other it will measure 1.4 amps which makes sense to me anyways.I have also tried a 12 volt lightbulb and this does in fact show that the light will lose some brightness after I connect the second battery and will start to heat up the wires so I pretty much scrapped that line of observation .Thx for the replies guys


-Gary

[gmeat]

I would guess that in the circuit you have drawn it would behave in exactly the same way whether or not the bridge was there or not... two 12v batteries in series with two motors in series.

As a side note (and slightly off topic), current does flow in both directions current isn't the movement of electrons, it is the flow of opposite charges flowing in opposite directions... There is electron current, which is the flow of negative charges, and there is also "conventional current" which is the flow of positive charges being carried by the stationary protons.

Hi Seph, Well if nothing else,At least I'm teaching those protons to juggle

[rosco1]

Separated currents?

While testing plasma via an Aquapulser RPG4700, I noted that the Crane Cams HI6 CDI and PS91 coil supplied spark, did not merge with the plasma, they clearly do remain separate, and this can be seen by anyone who actually takes the time to look for it.

You can physically see the spark tendrils crossing between the ball tip(FireStorm) and the earth cage, as well as seeing the plasma plume, though often they're displaying from a different part of the ball tip, which I assume is related to the ionization effect.

I've shown this to several electrically savvy friends and they're as puzzled as I am about it.

So, if spark of this magnitude does not merge with plasma, meaning they're travelling together all the way from the trigger point(rotor button), along the plug lead to the spark plug, then displaying as being clearly separated at the plug gap, most noticeable when using a FireStorm replication(ball tip), then it's probable that one could somehow make use of the redundant HI6 and PS91 spark for other uses, providing one could devise a way of doing so without interfering with the route of the plasma at the same time.

I'm not sure why they don't merge(I'm not that clever), maybe it's a frequency thing, I don't know, but I'd sure like to know why this occurs, as I would have thought they'd have merged instantly.

That said, I wonder what would happen if one passed the HI6 and PS91 spark into the lead from the opposite direction that the plasma is travelling along?? What would happen then? Maybe nothing, maybe they'll simply ignore each other in the same way they do when travelling in the same direction.

Beats me....

[gmeat]

This post is a correction for post #5,


In post #5 with regard to the lightbulb experiment I only used 1 lightbulb in place of where the crossover bridge was so that would explain the short circuit that I observed,So I will have to redo the experiment at a later date when I have 2 equal valued bulbs.



-Gary

[Armagdn03]

Proof

It can be done.....

The concept is simple, invert a transformer, and take note.... In a standard transformer, a primary creates a magnetic field in the core. When power is taken from the secondary, and equal and opposite flux is induced into the core. This flux is opposite to the flux that created it meaning we have two separate fluxes in two directions in the same core. If we invert the entire apparatus, so that we have magnetic primary and secondary, with an electric "core" we should see the primary induce a current in the electric core. When we draw from the secondary, it should induce and equal and opposite current in the electric core. An amp meter cannot distinguish between two currents in two directions in one conductor, and so will show a decreased amperage reading.

To me, this was proof that the resultant flux of Lenz law can be redirected. It is also a 10$ setup that creates two currents in one conductor, which reminds me of a paper I read where it took 50,000 dollars of equipment to prove the same concept in a professional lab, which makes me laugh a bit.

YouTube - Inverse Transformer.wmv

The resultant or "net" is an "algebraic summation" of the currents shown by the motor, but 100% of the energy from the passing magnets reaches the magnetic secondary, so while we have less net energy in the current carrying electric core, the total energy is still present. so there is an interesting question, can opposite polarity electric currents cancel one another? or do they just exist in the same place at the same time, and we have no way to differentiate because all of our equipment measures net current. that question gets 3 thinkers.... ... ...

[DavidE]

Ed Leedskalnin - Magnetic Current (Illustrated)

page 13

[redeagle]

It looks to me that your batteries and motors are all in series. What happens when you take that cross piece all together?

[gmeat]

Hi Everyone,


Just to clarify,The batteries are Not in series.I'd like to see someone replicate the circuit and let me know what they might observe in this simple experiment .

@Redeagle - I dont understand what you mean by "take out that cross piece all together".Could you be a little more specific.

Thx for all the replies


-Gary

[Guest]

Hi Everyone,


Just to clarify,The batteries are Not in series.I'd like to see someone replicate the circuit and let me know what they might observe in this simple experiment .

@Redeagle - I dont understand what you mean by "take out that cross piece all together".Could you be a little more specific.

Thx for all the replies


-Gary

Hello, and no you do not have current going both ways at eny point in the circuit.

If you take out the cross piece you have a series circuit, sorry too late at night for me to figger voltages, but because of battery then load then battery then load then back to original battery, I'm thining the voltage never goes above eny one batteries voltage.


But you do have the cross piece in and that would make the circuite Parrellel so to speak , in that the voltage starts at individual batteries and fllow independent of one anouther through the loads, and then meetup and share a common wire going back to ground. I'm sure each ground turminal will introduce a slighlty different pull to the voltages coming from the loads, but that will sort itself out . The higher the negative the more of the current will be drawn to that battery turminal, and the less to the other battery turminal, there will be no crossing of currents. And there is a difference only because manufacturers can never be 100 % perfect, even if its the same battery made on the same line, back to back.

Ok ? Good? lol, I'll proof read the above when I wake up tommorrow,
I wonder if it will still make sence to me.
Read it a second time, it makes sence, but I realy should goto bed.

Andrew T
PATHS ~ Mind Energetics

[sucahyo]

Try to put amp meter on one of the battery positive and see if disconnecting other battery can show measureable change of current in the battery. Maybe using lamp or other static load to get stable measurement.

Try to lengthen the colliding part much much longer. maybe with coil or something.

[redeagle]

I tested the circuit using 12v 50 ma bulbs with a dc motor as the as the apparent cross point. the bulbs were not affected as i connected and disconnected the motor. i metered the voltage between the two negatives and found it to be identical to the difference in potential of the two batteries. My question is how would if it behave differently if the bulbs were replaced with a choke. potentially even a jewel thief type circuit