The American Ruling Class

[rickoff]

You're right, Jim, in that anyone who does join a CLGJ group to take a stand against tyranny will surely become 'blacklisted' by state and federal authorities as being a "trouble maker." But keep in mind that just by writing entries in this thread we have most likely already been blacklisted for using key words such as "government," "Constitution," "patriot," "9/11," and numerous others. Yes, by standing up to oppose tyranny you become visibly more noticeable, kind of like a nail head protruding from a plank and inviting a hammer blow to smack you down. But if we don't have the will to stand against tyranny in a non-violent and legal way, then when would we take action to protect ourselves? If we choose not to get involved then we may initially save ourselves some hassles, but may as well line up at the gates of the nearest FEMA camp and wait to be processed.

[gene gene]

NESARA- REPUBLIC NOW - GALACTIC NEWS: MARTIAL LAW ALERT: Obama CONFISCATES ALL APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTERS From The Governors of ALL 50 STATES

[iflewmyown]

So what happened on the 24th??
Garry

[5150]

So what happened on the 24th??
Garry

Lets see, On dancing with the stars two couples were eliminated and in other news Justin Beiber was stopped and searched for drugs but let go, and Lindsey Lohan had her new TV show put on hold while she visits the Kardashians in Las Vegas.

Oh in political news, lets see.. the economy is in full rebound while the housing market is showing it's strongest gains since records have been kept, there is a brutal winter storm still in parts of the country but thats due to global warming which Congress is working on a bill that will tax carbon credits but we have to pass the bill first before we can see whats in it.

basically the same ole **** every day while erosion or our natural rights is eaten up

[dutchdivco]

Gene and Rick

GG; Yes, I posted on this move by the defence Dept. to 'take back' the Apache helicopters. Ariz., (where I live) is one of the states 'losing' their Apaches. The local Commandant was on the (local) news, talking about it; he said he asked the pentagon WHY, and was told they no longer had confidence in the National Guards ability to complete the mission.
So, as you surmise, its NOT about money; they don't want such an awsome weapon in the hands of states.

Rick; Of coarse i realise by posting on this forum we make ourselves 'stand out'; Heres an Ergo proct, ergo Procter hoc for you;
Darpa, the 'mad scientist' research group working for the FED, developed the I-net. They foresaw the evolution of the I-net, and cell phones, and that they would become so 'necesary', and so addictive that everyone would carry around a personal computer, with ALL their personal info, and GPS tracking, and would use it as their primary communication device, for phone calls, e-mails, and postings;
As a result, they KNOW where we are, what we're saying to others, and even what we are thinking.
Is there much doubt how SCOTUS will rule, on the police being able to comb thru your phone, if they arrest you for anything? (Current case before the court).
Big Brother is HERE, NOW. And, we all co-operated in our own enslavement, because the technology is so,...seductive.

Welcome to a Brave, new world! And you actually think forming these 'commities of concerned citisens' , and electing alternative legislators is going to 'fix' things? When THEY have Apache helicopters armed as described in genes post?

You think you can use the Constitution, to 'force' THEM to peacefully and lawfully return 'power' to the people? When we've seen time and time again the Constitution trashed, Laws ignored or not enforced, and Lies, lies lies?

Sorry if I'm harsh, Rick. I find it difficultto understand how on the one hand, you can post post after post, on how PTB operate, how manipulative they are, how they abuse power, etc. and then post that you honestly think any of these 'schemes' you have for peacefully and lawfully 'taking back' the country, and returning us to a constitutional gov't. can possibly work?
s if TPTB are going to say "Oh, yeah; your RIGHT! The Constitution! Well, just give me a chance to clear out my desk, and of COARSE I'll move out of my office, so you people can take over!

Just seems a little,...naive? Jim

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[Allcanadian]

@gene gene

The Apache, which began service in 1986, is armed with a 30 mm M230E1 Chain Gun (with 1,200 rounds), Hellfire anti-tank missiles, and 70 general-purpose 70 mm rockets. In short, it is capable of fending-off any enemy, foreign or domestic.
Obviously, these helicopters could pose a substantial obstacle to say, a tyrant drunk on his own power, with an army at his disposal.

I'm not sure you fully understand modern warfare, in the real world anyone can buy a wide spectrum scanner, GPS autopilot/POV guidance system, micro-gas turbine and a 100$ micro-computer all off ebay. Throw in a high speed DIY Kevlar drone and we have a high speed long range hunter killer platform. It's an Apache killer because there really cheap and can be configured in swarm mode running at near 500 mph and can be built by your average teenager. You see it's a new world which is why the U.S. failed miserably in Iraq/Afghanistan and will continue to fail in any war which does not constitute British warfare. That's where a bunch of half-wits line up all their forces and go head to head until a clear winner is obvious.

Not to mention the fact that a relatively small light weight weapon can be built to penetrate 2 feet of hardened steel which makes anything less than the best tanks completely obsolete. You should thank your lucky stars the middle east is pretty much decades behind in shaped charge technology otherwise the close quarters conflicts would have amounted to a blood bath on the part of the U.S.

In any case whatever you think you may know about modern warfare is already completely obsolete and within the next 10 years the tables will turn in ways you cannot imagine. I mean as soon as they figure out any fool could strap a small shaped charge to an RC truck which can easily do 100 Km/hr and pull 2 G's guided by POV the ground conflict is pretty much over.

I mean no offense but 99% of the population has literally no idea what we are already capable of. Don't worry about some archaic Apache helicopter it's a flying dinosaur. The future is small, it's very small extremely fast and most of all it's smart and autonamous. That my friend is something the military is not quite ready for because most have the IQ of a mushroom.

The old way is trying to hit a bullet with another bullet, in the new world the bullet turns around if it misses and takes another crack at you and it keeps doing this until it wins hence the term "smart" weapon.

AC

[Allcanadian]

@5150
That was a nice post and I think many people have similar feelings. Personally I would never fight any government nor would I ever bring harm to another person directly or indirectly, it's just not my thing.

However I think we should be clear a "government" is a body of people and it is these people we find disagreement with not a government persay which is an entity. The problem I see with this is the same problem as what happened in Iraq in my opinion. A small group of people forming the upper government were making bad choices so another government, the U.S., went in and killed 1.5 million innocent civilians while trying to remove the small group of bad people in control.

It should be obvious that this is absurd because one cannot speak of liberty and freedom and then go off and kill millions of innocent men, women and children. Yet this is exactly what you are talking about isn't it?, to bear arms against a small group of people in government you may see as evil in which millions of completely innocent people will get caught in the crossfire. This is not "the good fight" and in my opinion it is BS because at the end of the day innocent people will die because of our belief's which makes us no better than the people we disagree with.

Personally I think there is a better solution however it is one where few are willing to go. The people we disagree with must be engaged on the same level which means the public forum. We cannot hide behind a computer on the internet we must go out into the streets and be heard and recognized by name. This is me, this is who I am and this is what I stand for and this is why I disagree with what is happening.

If your looking for a role model Mahatma Gandhi is your man. I could go on but needless to say you may think your playing the game your way but your doing exactly what they want.. you are not in control. Do you know what infuriated the British government to no end concerning Gandhi?. He wouldn't play by their rules he made up his own, he changed the game on them and it was a game they could not possibly win. The British had massive firepower, large ground forces and near unlimited resources and an old man in a white dress kicked their ass... priceless.

Mahatma Gandhi said -- "Be the change that you wish to see in the world" however if we wish to fight and bring death then we have changed nothing. We are simply another flavor of what we claim we are not, it is a lie to them and ourselves. The real fight will be fought on the streets with words swaying public opinion against those who oppress us. In fact it is the only concept which has been proven to work.

AC

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Arizona man accused of sexual assaults re-arrested

Arizona man accused of sexual assaults re-arrested



Arizona man accused of sexual assaults re-arrested | Mail Online

An 18-year-old Arizona man accused of being a serial sex predator who allegedly targeted fellow high school students has been re-arrested.

Officials say Pinal County sheriff's detectives arrested Tyler Kost on Thursday on new allegations that include additional cases reported after his initial arrest.

'This is a serious and serial sex offender and rapist,' Sheriff Paul Babeu said during a news conference. 'We're approaching 20 victims. There likely will be others that come forward.'

Nearly all of the potential victims are high school students.

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Notice in the article title they used the term "Man" instead of teenager or student

Often when it suits their agenda the media will switch things up to generate more division or hidden agenda, remember CNN saying in one of their past stories "What led to African-American teenager

[5150]

@5150


That was a nice post and I think many people have similar feelings. Personally I would never fight any government nor would I ever bring harm to another person directly or indirectly, it's just not my thing.

However I think we should be clear a "government" is a body of people and it is these people we find disagreement with not a government persay which is an entity. The problem I see with this is the same problem as what happened in Iraq in my opinion. A small group of people forming the upper government were making bad choices so another government, the U.S., went in and killed 1.5 million innocent civilians while trying to remove the small group of bad people in control.

It should be obvious that this is absurd because one cannot speak of liberty and freedom and then go off and kill millions of innocent men, women and children. Yet this is exactly what you are talking about isn't it?, to bear arms against a small group of people in government you may see as evil in which millions of completely innocent people will get caught in the crossfire. This is not "the good fight" and in my opinion it is BS because at the end of the day innocent people will die because of our belief's which makes us no better than the people we disagree with.

Personally I think there is a better solution however it is one where few are willing to go. The people we disagree with must be engaged on the same level which means the public forum. We cannot hide behind a computer on the internet we must go out into the streets and be heard and recognized by name. This is me, this is who I am and this is what I stand for and this is why I disagree with what is happening.

If your looking for a role model Mahatma Gandhi is your man. I could go on but needless to say you may think your playing the game your way but your doing exactly what they want.. you are not in control. Do you know what infuriated the British government to no end concerning Gandhi?. He wouldn't play by their rules he made up his own, he changed the game on them and it was a game they could not possibly win. The British had massive firepower, large ground forces and near unlimited resources and an old man in a white dress kicked their ass... priceless.

Mahatma Gandhi said -- "Be the change that you wish to see in the world" however if we wish to fight and bring death then we have changed nothing. We are simply another flavor of what we claim we are not, it is a lie to them and ourselves. The real fight will be fought on the streets with words swaying public opinion against those who oppress us. In fact it is the only concept which has been proven to work.

AC

[Allcanadian]

@5150
I think were on the same page however I tend to use more passive terminology. I wouldn't say "fight the government" rather fight corruption within the government. Again this is specifically targeting the people within government we disagree with who do bad things rather than the whole of government which I think all of us still firmly believe in.

We believe in good government which is fair and just and acts in our best interests rather than their own. I think it's important to be clear on what we mean and how it is perceived by others.

For instance I am presently employed by the federal government, what of me?. I am not your enemy and I agree with most of what you imply so why would you fight me?. It is kind of comical because when I tell some people where I actually work which is rare I see hesitation in them. As if I am the bad guy but I'm the good guy who would never do anything which I felt was wrong no matter what level of authority told me to do it. Make no mistake I have went toe to toe with many of my supervisor's and looked them square in the eye and told them no to their face. Every single one of them backed down because they know who I am and they know I will not put up with that kind of BS.
I like to think of it as laying out the ground rules, this is who I am and this is what I believe and if anyone tells me to do something I know is wrong then any authority they may believe they have over me is now a non-issue. It then becomes "personal" and I will refuse them as a matter of principal, there are no exceptions to my rule.
It makes life easy... most of the time, lol.



AC

[5150]

@5150


I think were on the same page however I tend to use more passive terminology. I wouldn't say "fight the government" rather fight corruption within the government. Again this is specifically targeting the people within government we disagree with who do bad things rather than the whole of government which I think all of us still firmly believe in.

We believe in good government which is fair and just and acts in our best interests rather than their own. I think it's important to be clear on what we mean and how it is perceived by others.

For instance I am presently employed by the federal government, what of me?. I am not your enemy and I agree with most of what you imply so why would you fight me?. It is kind of comical because when I tell some people where I actually work which is rare I see hesitation in them. As if I am the bad guy but I'm the good guy who would never do anything which I felt was wrong no matter what level of authority told me to do it. Make no mistake I have went toe to toe with many of my supervisor's and looked them square in the eye and told them no to their face. Every single one of them backed down because they know who I am and they know I will not put up with that kind of BS.
I like to think of it as laying out the ground rules, this is who I am and this is what I believe and if anyone tells me to do something I know is wrong then any authority they may believe they have over me is now a non-issue. It then becomes "personal" and I will refuse them as a matter of principal, there are no exceptions to my rule.
It makes life easy... most of the time, lol.



AC

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