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  • Originally posted by CANGAS View Post
    The towers were in extremely survivable condition after the plane strikes. It was a miracle (what do you call a miracle that has a disastrous result?) if the buildings fell down without a little help form their (non)-friends.
    Yes, these buildings were quite robust structurally, and the original designers said that because of their towering heights the buildings had been designed to actually withstand impacts of multiple large aircraft collisions. Several experts have stated that outer wall structure was designed to act much like a screen door would if you threw a pencil at it and were lucky enough to get the pencil point to penetrate the screen mesh. Also, the resulting damage to the plane at 400 mph speed would be the same as if the plane were stationary and the building whacked the plane at that speed. As one might imagine, an aluminum aircraft would not fare well from an impact with a steel and reinforced concrete structure, and even if the fuselage could have penetrated without flattening and falling to the ground, the wings and tail section most certainly would have broken off and fallen to the ground. Interestingly, though, there is no valid evidence that an airliner struck either of the twin towers, or the Pentagon for that matter, or that any plane crashed at Shanksville.

    If you haven't seen my article about "The Flights That Never Flew," you might find that interesting.

    Here's another article I wrote which explains why no plane hit the Pentagon.

    - Rick
    "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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    • Originally posted by rickoff View Post
      Yes, these buildings were quite robust structurally, and the original designers said that because of their towering heights the buildings had been designed to actually withstand impacts of multiple large aircraft collisions. Several experts have stated that outer wall structure was designed to act much like a screen door would if you threw a pencil at it and were lucky enough to get the pencil point to penetrate the screen mesh. Also, the resulting damage to the plane at 400 mph speed would be the same as if the plane were stationary and the building whacked the plane at that speed. As one might imagine, an aluminum aircraft would not fare well from an impact with a steel and reinforced concrete structure, and even if the fuselage could have penetrated without flattening and falling to the ground, the wings and tail section most certainly would have broken off and fallen to the ground. Interestingly, though, there is no valid evidence that an airliner struck either of the twin towers, or the Pentagon for that matter, or that any plane crashed at Shanksville.

      If you haven't seen my article about "The Flights That Never Flew," you might find that interesting.

      Here's another article I wrote which explains why no plane hit the Pentagon.

      - Rick
      For the benefit of those who have never before happened to have learned much about the structure of the towers: the outer walls were all steel with no masonry or concrete. Of course, there was the window glass, and, a decorative outermost cladding of anodized aluminum sheet. There was an inner core of reinforced concrete walls which housed elevators, stairs, plumbing chases and such like, with no office spaces.

      The outer walls were not simply conventional steel wideflange columns, but rather primarily segments of rather heavy gage steel plate joined together. Wire screen on steroids.

      The analogy to wire screen is very apt; any force or load applied to a specific spot on the exterior wall would be distributed to adjoining segments and in fact to the entire outer wall of the entire building, therefore becoming diluted before being able to do major damage to the wall as a whole. Of course, the specific spot initially struck could be expected to suffer local damage.

      The two links are extremely interesting, I had never seen them before. I had before known of the rarity (!) of physical evidence of any plane strikes.

      At the time of my original interest and analysis some ten or twelve years ago, I concluded where destructive devices would have had to be placed, and, how they would had to have been placed secretively. Of course, then I discovered that all tenant records had somehow vanished leaving no paper trail.

      CANGAS

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      • After posting my last post I realized I had forgotten some things since last giving thought to 911. To refresh my memory I googled "911 structural system".

        There is a little disinformation on the web, fellow researchers, be cautious about what you quickly believe until you have double-checked and triple-checked, and checked however many times you need to check to feel like you have verified your information.

        One or two sources now claim that the core was only steel columns but no concrete. Well, many years ago I had found many sources writing of a reinforced concrete core with an outer surround of steel columns. The floors within the concrete core were trusses or beams having no connection with the outer floor. The outer steel columns support(ed) the inner end of the floor trusses that spanned from the core to the outer wall. This is still mainly what is found. When you have thoughtfully read a number of google "hits" you will see that this is still the case.

        Just be cautious when accepting information you find on the web.


        CANGAS

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        • "natural-born citizen" - American/Canadian/Cuban vs American/Kenyan

          Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz is a "natural-born citizen" under the U.S. Constitution and
          therefore can run in the June 7 New Jersey primary, a state administrative law judge said Tuesday.

          "The more persuasive legal analysis is that such a child, born of a citizen-father,
          citizen-mother, or both, is indeed a 'natural born citizen' within the contemplation of the Constitution,"
          Administrative Law Judge Jeff Masin wrote.

          Ted Cruz is an American and can appear on N.J. primary ballot, judge says | NJ.com

          Cruz was born on December 22, 1970,[3][4] at Foothills General Hospital[5][6] in Calgary, Alberta, Canada,
          to parents Eleanor Elizabeth (Darragh) Wilson and Rafael Bienvenido Cruz.[7][8][9] At the time of his birth,
          Cruz's parents had lived in Calgary for three years and were working in the oil business as owners of a seismic-data
          processing firm for oil drilling.[8][10][11][12][13] Cruz has said, "I'm the son of two mathematicians/computer programmers."[14]
          In 1974, his father left the family and moved to Texas.[15] Later that year, his parents reconciled and relocated to Houston.[5]

          Cruz's father, Rafael Cruz, was born in Cuba. His paternal grandfather, Rafael, immigrated to Cuba
          as an infant with his parents from the Spanish Canary Islands.[16] His mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware, and
          is three quarters of Irish descent and one quarter of Italian descent.[17][18] His father left Cuba in 1957 to attend
          the University of Texas at Austin and obtained political asylum in the United States after his four-year student visa expired.[19]
          Rafael Cruz earned Canadian citizenship in 1973[5] and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2005.[8][20][21][22]
          His mother earned an undergraduate degree in mathematics from Rice University in the 1950s.[23] Eleanor and Rafael Cruz divorced in 1997.[24]

          Cruz had two older half-sisters, Miriam Ceferina Cruz and Roxana Lourdes Cruz, from his father's first marriage.
          Miriam died in 2011.[24][25][26]




          Al

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          • Is Donald Trump being cheated out of the Republican Presidential nomination?


            Was Voterless Colorado Primary The Shot Heard Around The World?


            Al

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            • Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

              I love the spirit coming from TRUMP>

              People say that all of the RICH or the same, (all liars)
              this is simply untrue.

              MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!! TRUMP TRUMP WIN WIN !!!



              [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj1EBKZVVko[/VIDEO]
              Description
              This is the feeling of uncomfortable tension which comes from holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time.

              Dissonance increases with:

              The importance of the subject to us.
              How strongly the dissonant thoughts conflict.
              Our inability to rationalize and explain away the conflict.
              Dissonance is often strong when we believe something about ourselves and then do something against that belief. If I believe I am good but do something bad, then the discomfort I feel as a result is cognitive dissonance.

              Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful motivator which will often lead us to change one or other of the conflicting belief or action. The discomfort often feels like a tension between the two opposing thoughts. To release the tension we can take one of three actions:

              Change our behavior.
              Justify our behavior by changing the conflicting cognition.
              Justify our behavior by adding new cognitions.
              Dissonance is most powerful when it is about our self-image. Feelings of foolishness, immorality and so on (including internal projections during decision-making) are dissonance in action.

              If an action has been completed and cannot be undone, then the after-the-fact dissonance compels us to change our beliefs. If beliefs are moved, then the dissonance appears during decision-making, forcing us to take actions we would not have taken before.

              Cognitive dissonance appears in virtually all evaluations and decisions and is the central mechanism by which we experience new differences in the world. When we see other people behave differently to our images of them, when we hold any conflicting thoughts, we experience dissonance.

              Dissonance increases with the importance and impact of the decision, along with the difficulty of reversing it. Discomfort about making the wrong choice of car is bigger than when choosing a lamp.

              Cognitive Dissonance


              Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

              Hillary will be the nominee so TRUMP can dismantle the CLINTON
              Vail/spell cast over the PUBLIC EYE thinking that Hillary is a
              great person.
              GERALD FORD PARDONS RICHARD NIXON



              Al

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              • Quotable quote of the day....

                "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                • The World Is Not Enough

                  Jupiter Enthronement

                  Originally posted by Danny B View Post
                  As everybody knows, Agenda 21 is a plan to corral everybody in the cities for better management. Efficient control with less effort. When transportation became common to the "new world", many thousands of people left England and Europe to get away from the teeming cities and the constant wars. Europe lost many of it's best people because of the opportunities offered by freedom in the Americas.

                  "Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works CEO had admitted in his Deathbed Confession that Extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and the U.S. Military travel among stars."
                  Interstellar travel for the military is GOOD. Interstellar travel for the common man is BAD.
                  In "Atlas Shrugged", the very competent people decamp to "Galts Gulch" to kick back and let the parasites run the show. FACTA and GACTA are schemes to keep the blood flowing to the parasites.
                  Branson built up Necker island as a private resort. Private Island | Virgin Limited Edition | Necker Island
                  It is easy to imagine people colonizing other planets to get VERY far away from as many parasites as possible. As long as the population density of another planet was very low, it wouldn't be worth the time to control it.

                  Al

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                  • Whereas there are millions of Muslims in the United States,
                    a community made up of many diverse beliefs and cultures,
                    and both immigrants and native-born citizens;

                    H.Res.569 - Condemning ... Muslims in the United States

                    Why the Islamic Invasion of the West is Happening


                    Al
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                    • Elections? What elections?

                      Quite some time ago, I posted a link to a video which detailed the pervasiveness of election fraud wherever voting machines are used for voting, counting, or combining vote tallies. Here's a short clip, cut from the full length video, which demonstrates just how easy it is to hack into and program a voting machine to preprogram the results. What someone in this clip gets wrong, though, is that such hacking is not limited to preprogramming of voting machines, and can be done remotely either before, during, or even after an election. The full two hour documentary, Hacking Democracy, can be seen at this link, and is a real eye opener showing just how corrupt the election game actually is. This video was produced after the Bush/Gore election, and was the primary catalyst for the Diebold corporation, a major provider of voting machines and controlling software, being indicted.

                      I think it can safely be assumed that nothing has really changed as a result of the fraud being exposed, however, and that the capacity for similar election fraud today is as great as ever. Here's a video which points out election fraud in the 2016 primaries. While this video uses comedy to show the farcical nature of vote tampering, in reality there is nothing funny about it. Countless other videos detailing primary elections fraud in several states have surfaced, and there is no reason to believe that the November national elections will be any different.

                      Of course the election game is rigged in many ways from top to bottom, and often in subtle ways that we wouldn't necessarily think of. For example, here's a video explaining how the simple use of a Google search engine is used to influence voters to lean towards particular candidates. People naturally want to be on the winning side in any contest, so when search engines or reported polling results show a candidate is likely to lose, many people will jump ship and find another candidate to support. This method of shaping public opinion is used extensively as a means of casting aside early contenders and thus narrowing the field of candidates to two major candidates who are nearly always both chosen by the Ruling Class elite long before even the primary season begins, and of course the televised candidate debates and TV "news" reports are used to manipulate public opinion which favors the eventual preplanned outcome.

                      Whatever the eventual outcome of the November elections, we can safely assume that the end result will be what the Ruling Class elite wanted. A lot of folks believe that Donald Trump is going to win, and that this shows that the people's vote really does matter. People believe that Trump will go to Washington and somehow kick ass and correct all that is wrong there, but is that really probable, or even possible? No, not unless nearly everyone in Congress is booted out and replaced with true statesman patriots.

                      One might ask why Trump might be allowed, or even preferred to win, since from the very beginning of his candidacy it seems quite apparent that the Ruling Class political players have done just about everything possible to prevent him from winning. Why then would they allow a win by Trump, if they could simply rig the voting results in order to ensure that he loses? Has anyone considered that they may simply want to use him as a scapegoat to take all the blame for what is now almost certain to come about very early during the next administration?

                      We really should have seen the collapse of our economic and monetary machines already, but are those collapses just being delayed so that blame can be conveniently shifted? If so, who better to blame than Donald Trump, a Washington outsider whose views on just about everything are constantly under attack as being so reckless, outlandish, and divisive, that his being elected President would destroy our nation. See how well his election would fit with their plans? They really don't need Hillary, or Bernie Sanders, to finish implementing the Ruling Class agenda. They have been implementing that plan slowly but steadily for more than a hundred years, and our willing puppet president Barry has assisted by putting nearly all of the final nails in the coffin. Monetary and economic collapse is now assured, and nearly all our liberties have already been taken. The final hurdle remaining is gun confiscation, and anyone who thinks that can't happen or won't happen is sadly mistaken and in for a rude awakening. It happened in Australia, under the guise of a "gun buyback program," and it can happen here just as well. Any who resist will be dealt with severely to establish an example as to what others can expect will occur if they do the same.
                      "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                      • Originally posted by rickoff View Post
                        One might ask why Trump might be allowed, or even preferred to win, since from the very beginning of his candidacy it seems quite apparent that the Ruling Class political players have done just about everything possible to prevent him from winning. Why then would they allow a win by Trump, if they could simply rig the voting results in order to ensure that he loses? Has anyone considered that they may simply want to use him as a scapegoat to take all the blame for what is now almost certain to come about very early during the next administration?
                        Does Quantitative Easing Mainly Help the Rich?
                        Does Quantitative Easing Mainly Help the Rich?

                        Donald Trump Is Right: Here Are 100 Reasons Why We Need To Audit The Federal Reserve
                        Donald Trump Is Right: Here Are 100 Reasons Why We Need To Audit The Federal Reserve | Zero Hedge

                        Originally posted by aljhoa View Post
                        Federal Reserve Act : Public Law 63-43, 63d Congress, H.R. 7837:
                        An Act to Provide for the Establishment of Federal Reserve Banks,
                        to Furnish an Elastic Currency, to Afford Means of Rediscounting Commercial Paper,
                        to Establish a More Effective Supervision of Banking in the United States,
                        and for Other Purposes


                        on page 30,
                        SEC. 30. The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved.
                        Al
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                        • LISSA CASEY
                          , OSB #086541
                          MICHAEL ARNOLD
                          , OSB #011873 [email protected] [email protected]

                          This document is a declaration in support of Ammon Bundy's motion to extend the deadline for filing a motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction. The declaration summarizes Bundy's planned arguments in the motion to dismiss. Bundy will argue that the federal government does not have authority over the land of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge under the Property Clause and Enclave Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Bundy intends to present evidence regarding the chain of title and actions/inactions of the government in acquiring the land to support this argument. The defense requests additional time to gather documents and witnesses to sufficiently build the record for the court's review and any potential appeal.



                          Al
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                          • The Ruling Class Power Pyramid

                            I'm not sure if I posted this image at an earlier date, but if so then it is worth repeating, as it makes very clear what the power structure of the Ruling Class actually is. As expected, it is all about money, power, and control. Some folks tend to think of government being at the top, but that's far from being the case. Those in government are simply pawns and puppets of all who are above them in the pyramid.

                            "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                            • Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

                              Did I miss anything?
                              Originally posted by aljhoa View Post
                              Baby boy learns "other's" traditions.
                              1920-2013 Some 800,000 Mourners Attend Funeral of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef

                              Rabbi Ovadia Yosef Controversial Statements

                              Do you believe that...

                              Neocon



                              Originally posted by Danny B View Post
                              * Beware What You Wish For: Russia Is Ready For War** :* Information Clearing House - ICHWill The November US Presidential Election Bring The End Of The World? -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org

                              Trump isn't going to continue with business as usual. (WAR). The next few months are going to be a critical time. The U.S. military isn't interested in being drug into planetary suicide. They like their nice toys but, they have no plan to die en masse.

                              Al
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