The American Ruling Class

[Danny B]

The need for immigration

If you live in a particular country,,, your family and clan is in a particular country, you tend to remain in your country. The main reason for emigration is to seek an economic climate that is less competitive than your home country. OK, it would seem that emigration is the province of those who are not particularly suited to compete.
I spent 10 years, about 5 months a year driving around Mexico. In general, Mexicans like Mexico. They go north for economic opportunity that is not available to THEM in their home country. The Poles go to Great Britain, etc
The intelligent people who can easily find a job niche in their home country stay home. Australians are the exception.
Those who are not qualified, look for a country that has available jobs for the unqualified.
The PTB have determined that unlimited immigration is the key to breaking down cohesive societies to usher in world collectivism. Nothing new there.
I found an article that justifies high immigration by claiming that it is necessary to attract the best and brightest STUDENTS.

"The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states, the UN's special representative for migration has said."
"Mr Sutherland recently argued, in a lecture to the London School of Economics, of which he is chairman, that there was a "shift from states selecting migrants to migrants selecting states" and the EU's ability to compete at a "global level" was at risk."
BBC News - EU should 'undermine national homogeneity' says UN migration chief

So, lets look at that. France has 750 areas where the police can not enter because it will set off instant riots. Marseilles is a murder capital. The Nordic countries have been introduced to waves of violent sex crimes.
The Poles are living on barbecued rats.
Homeless Poles living on barbecued rats and alcoholic handwash | UK news | The Guardian

The article is pathetically honest about trying to destroy national identity.

[FuzzyTomCat]

40 Reasons to OPPOSE the 2013 Comprehensive Immigration Reform - Senate Bill (S. 744)
(aka) 2013 Comprehensive Immigration Reform - Senate Bill (S. 744)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...-113s744es.pdf (1198 pages)

[BroMikey]

American Rulers Religion

I wasn't aware that there was any such ongoing discussion. If there is one then this isn't the place for it. Long ago I asked readers here to refrain from using this American Ruling Class thread to post unrelated items, or to engage in religious arguments with others. Late arriving readers and posters here may be unaware of this, so I once again ask that this thread policy be respected. There are other threads here at Energetic Forum which are more appropriate for carrying on religious or philosophical discussions. Bible related discussions, for example, might best be posted in the Bible thread. Just remember that participants in any discussion, in any thread where there is disagreement, should refrain from making any type of personal attacks. Thanks in advance to everyone for helping to keep this American Ruling Class thread on topic and respectful to all those who read and post herein.

Rick

Hello Rick

I agree

Though the religious aspects of the so called rulers is a motivating factor in their decision making, such as bringing small children in to the country to violate them sexually, I don't think endless religious theological studies qualify for this thread.

However please make this notation:

" The projection of religion into any discussion is often a brazen parade. These rulers are without conscience as their counterparts are so religion makes what they do seem to be righteous for their cause. We can not forget their motivations though religious teachings AND their PRACTICES."

Like you say Rick this is a strategy on the part of people following the money in high office, they are using the 'Bleeding Heart" tactic. In other words THAT religious philosophy is saying to the good Christian Mom's and Dad's of America "Can you and your God really abandon all these poor children???" while they proceed to abuse them by slaving them out for any reason at all.

Now I am not going to study Hindu religion on the thread as it turns my gut and only enrages me.

Thanks-A-Million Rick you are a lifesaver.

Mike

[TheoriaApophasis]

Hello Rick
Now I am not going to study Hindu religion on the thread as it turns my gut and only enrages me.
Mike

Let me correct a small error of yours above:

The word "Hinduism" comes from the word sindhu, the Indo-prakrit word for "the sea," and came to apply to the peoples in the region east of the Indus River.

[P.S. Deshmukh,Religion in Vedic Literature, 198].

"Hinduism has never prepared a body of canonical scriptures or a common prayer book; it has never held a general council or convocation; never defined the relation between laity and clergy; never regulated the canonization of saints or their worship; never established a single centre of religious life; never prescribed a course of training for its priests"
-- [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics 6:712 ]

"Hinduism has never prepared a body of canonical scriptures or a common prayer book; it has never held a general council or convocation" -- [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics 6:712 ]




You might consider, as a recommendation, you are resoundingly confusing metaphysics and philosophy with "religion"

I have no connected to religion of any kind whatsoever.

If words on a paper "turn your gut and enrage" you, then the issue is not sourced in the words, but in the incapacity of the reader.


No offense is meant.


Lux et Veritas

[BroMikey]

Relig

Let me correct a small error of yours above:

The word "Hinduism" comes from the word sindhu, the Indo-prakrit word for "the sea," and came to apply to the peoples in the region east of the Indus River.

[P.S. Deshmukh,Religion in Vedic Literature, 198].

"Hinduism has never prepared a body of canonical scriptures or a common prayer book; it has never held a general council or convocation; never defined the relation between laity and clergy; never regulated the canonization of saints or their worship; never established a single centre of religious life; never prescribed a course of training for its priests"
-- [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics 6:712 ]

"Hinduism has never prepared a body of canonical scriptures or a common prayer book; it has never held a general council or convocation" -- [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics 6:712 ]




You might consider, as a recommendation, you are resoundingly confusing metaphysics and philosophy with "religion"

I have no connected to religion of any kind whatsoever.

If words on a paper "turn your gut and enrage" you, then the issue is not sourced in the words, but in the incapacity of the reader.


No offense is meant.


Lux et Veritas

Hey theo

Like the man said we need our own thread to talk relig IDOLOGY.

Later, Mike

[aljhoa]

Need I say more than to post this link?

Laugh if you will and snicker if you must but do yourselves a favor and finish reading this site from top to bottom. It looks like a tabloid but is all very true.

Clint Eastwood, all of the big names go there to sacrifice to Moloch.



Oh yeah don't forget the magick mushrooms. They are inbred pedophiles.

Hail Satan for HE is Lord.

Open your eyes you blind guides.

Are satanic jews blood drinking cannibals?
NO silly, cannibals eat their own kind, satanic jews only drink and
eat the flesh and blood of gentiles.

Artist Evan Dorkin offers you an unusual recipe.
Click here for the full comic.


Al

[dutchdivco]

Immigration 'debate'; WRONG focus

I truly wonder if the 'Tea party' is actually being led astray, or what?

I understand the history; in the LAST immigration reform effort, during the Reagan admin., there were 3 parts; 1, 'amnesty' for those already living here, 2, increased border enforcement, and MOST importantly 3; increased INTERIOR enforcenent. And, the Government DID 'toughen' the border; which had the effect of making it more difficult for illegals to cross, so that instead of going home they stayed. But, the real problem was that the Chamber of Commerce lobbied Congress, which then put pressure on Customs and Immigration, to 'lay off' the employers.

Now the Tea Party position is "not till our borders are 'secure'. There is NO border between countries, in the world that is 'secure'; not Iran, China, North korea, Russia; there never has been, and there never WILL be.

More importantly, its not neccesary, at least to deal with illegal immigration.
We COULD gratly reduce, if not totally eliminate illegal immigration, and even 'Constitutionally'. If EVERY state passed an 'Employer Sanctions Law', like the one passed in Arizona (with one KEY difference), and then enforced it, illegal immigration would 'dry up'. The one difference is, the Arizona law ss employers can ONLY be prosecuted, and lose their license to do business, if they can be shown, in court, to be KNOWINGLY hiring illegal aliens.

If the law were written to say that failure to use the federal verification system to ensure all their employees were legally entitled to work in the U.S. constitutes a violation, i.e. that they have an obligation to ensure they are only hiring legally entitled to work here employees, and that failure to meet this obligation would result in loss of license, the jobs for illegals would 'dry up', and illegals would quit coming. f coarse 'we' (the Government) would have to greatly expand the verification program, its computers and personell, (and we all know what a GREAT job the Government does with computer programs!) but it would be less expensive than all the $ thats been spent on 'securing the border'.

And, with the flood of 'illegals' dropping to a trickle, customs could concentrate on drugs and terrorists.

They come here, PRIMARILY, for jobs. Eliminate the realistic possibility of Jobs, they won't come. We saw it in Arizona, after the law was passed; there was a migration, as illegals left arizona, and moved to other states. In some cases, large apartment complexes lost over half their residents, within a month!

But, there is no 'will' to do this. Businesses don't want to have such laws passed, and will spend their $ to lobby Congress and state legislatures to prevent such laws being passed. And so nothing will continue to happen.

And the Tea Party will continue this rant about 'secure the border', rather than focusing on interior enforcement, which could actually work. Jim

[FuzzyTomCat]

Howdy all,

Whats next ?? The Left wing radical liberals saying we have land for 500 million more immigrants , line up those boat loads of Iranians, Somalians, North Koreans, Slovenians, Yemenis, Lebanese, Pakistanis and Palestinians we cant be RACIEST. Ya .... that's the ticket, just get into US waters or territory, BINGO BANGO your a citizen !!!! I think NOT .... the last I checked the United States is a country of Laws most of which none of us agree with.

The United States "secured boarder" that 52,000 CHILDREN walked across and are now being detained ..... who were the ADULTSDetention Centers List (published known)
( detention centers throughout the United States that detain illegal aliens who are apprehended and placed into removal proceedings )

Alabama
Etowah County Detention Center

Arizona
Central Arizona Correctional Center
Eloy Detention Center
Florence Correctional Center
Florence SPC
Pinal County Adult Detention Center

Colorado
Denver Contract Detention Facility

California
Adelanto Detention Center
El Centro Service Processing Center
Lerdo Detention Center
Mira Loma Detention Center
Otay Detention Center
Sacramento County Jail
Santa Ana City Jail
West County Detention Center
Yuba County Jail

Florida
Baker County Detention Facility
Broward Transitional Center
Glades County Detention Center
Krome Detention Center
Wakulla County Jail

Georgia
Atlanta City Detention Center
Irwin County Detention Center
North Georgia Detention Center
Stewart Detention Cente

Illinois
Jefferson County Justice Center
McHenry County Jail
Tri-County Detention Center

Indiana
Clay County Jail

Iowa
Hardin County Correctional Center

Kentucky
Boone County Jail

Louisiana
Lasalle Detention Center
Oakdale Detention Center
South Louisiana Detention Center

Maryland
Worcester County Detention Center

Massachusetts
Bristol County Jail
Plymouth County Correctional Facility
Suffolk County Jail

Michigan
Calhoun County Jail
Monroe County Jail
Seneca County Jail

Minnesota
Freeborn County Adult Detention Center
Ramsey County Adult Detention Center
Centro de Detencion para Adultos del Condado de Ramsey
Sherburne County Facility

Missouri
Montgomery County Jail

Nebraska
Douglas County Department of Corrections
Hall County Department of Corrections

New Jersey
Bergen County Jail
Delaney Hall Detention Facility
Elizabeth Contract Detention Facility
Essex County Correctional Facility
Hudson County Correctional Facility
Monmouth County Correctional Institution

New Mexico
Albuquerque Immigration Office
Otero County Processing Center

New York
Buffalo Federal Detention Facility
Orange County Correctional Facility

Ohio
Bedford Heights City Jail
Butler County Correctional Complex
Morrow County Correctional Facility
Seneca County Jail

Oklahoma
David L. Moss CJC Tulsa OK

Pennsylvania
Clinton County Correctional Facility
Lackawanna County Prison
Pike County Correctional Facility
York County Prison

Texas
Dallas Immigration Detention Center
Don Hutto Residential Center
El Paso Processing Center
Houston Immigration Detention Center
Joe Corley Detention Facility
Johnson County Detention Center
Karnes County Civil Detention Center
Laredo Contract Detention Facility
Polk County Adult Detention Center
Port Isabel Service Processing Center
Rolling Plains Correctional Facility
South Texas Detention Center
T. Don Hutto Residential Center
West Texas Detention Facility

Utah
Utah County Facility
Weber County Correctional Facility

Virginia
Farmville Field Office
Hampton Roads Regional Jail
Rappahannock Regional Facility

Washington
Tacoma Northwest Detention Center

Wisconsin
Dodge Detention Facility
Kenosha County Detention Center



"America's Secret ICE Castles "
America's Secret ICE Castles | The Nation
ICE maintains 186 unlisted and unmarked subfield offices, which are NOT subject to ICE Detention Standards, and amount to secret detention.
( http://www.jacquelinestevens.org/ICE...bfield0909.PDF )

Department of Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Endorsement ( ICE )
"The Secure Communities Process"

https://ccrjustice.org/files/NDLON%20v.%20ICE%20%28Doc%2015-3%29%20Decl%20of%20C.Connelly-%20Ex.%20B2%20SComm%20SOP.pdf

Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (flyer)

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Humanitarian/Deferred%20Action%20for%20Childhood%20Arrivals/daca-consider.pdf

DHS Secretary's Memo on Individuals Who Came to the United States as Children (PDF | 96 KB)

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/s1-certain-young-people.pdf

Director Morton's Memo about Individuals Who Entered the United States as Children (PDF | 200 KB)

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/s1-certain-young-people-morton.pdf

Enforcement Actions at or Focused on Sensitive Locations (PDF | 290 KB)

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/ero-outreach/pdf/10029.2-policy.pdf

ICE Policy Directive Number 11061.1, Facilitating the Return to the United States of Certain Lawfully Removed Aliens.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/foia/dro_policy_memos/11061.1_current_policy_facilitating_return.pdf

How Do I Request Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals Brochure

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/daca.pdf

ICE Total Removals

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/ero-removals1.pdf

ICE Detention Compliance Oversight

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/library/factsheets/pdf/detention-compliance.pdf

Fact Sheet: Detention Management
Fact Sheet: Detention Management

[rickoff]

They [illegal immigrants] come here, PRIMARILY, for jobs. Eliminate the realistic possibility of Jobs, they won't come.

Yes, many do come here seeking employment, but huge numbers also come to gain birthright citizenship for a child while also getting free hospital maternity benefits at taxpayer expense. Parkland Hospital in Texas, for example, (yes, the same hospital where Kennedy and Oswald were declared expired) annually admits over 16,000 illegal alien birth mothers, and that's just one hospital in one state! Count all the hospitals that are required to offer these services to illegals, as well as other healthcare services, and the cost to taxpayers is staggering. And of course that is just the beginning of further costs and entitlements since the "anchor babies" allow their parents and siblings, aunts and uncles, etc., to come and stay here, and to receive many additional and costly benefits such as housing, food stamps, and schooling. And with all of this offered as freebies, why would any of these illegal immigrants even want to work when it would only mean a deduction in the amount of their entitlements?

Furthermore, none of the people 17 years of age and under who are currently streaming across the southern border are coming here for jobs. They are only coming for what they can get for free. Incidentally, we keep hearing that the parents of these children are paying around $5,000 to traffickers to take their children to the US. If this is so, then the parents of these children are better off financially than most US citizens, and there should be no need to send their unaccompanied children here other than to help them skirt immigration laws and jump ahead of those working to come here legally. And surely the best and brightest in their countries, the doers and entrepreneurs, will rise to the top of their societies and be happy living in their own country, while the ones that leave will be those who don't have such knowledge, ability, skills, or the inherent desire to succeed. They have failed, and most will fail here too.

You're right - true border security is just about impossible, and the focus should be on first eliminating all the situations that entice illegals to come here in the first place, and then sending home all the illegals currently here. No work without E-Verify, tough fines for all employers who violate E-Verify and hire illegals, and no more birthright citizenship for illegals. Those would be good starts at resolving illegal immigration issues, but I doubt that Congress will take those simple and long overdue steps. A one page bill could implement all of these steps, but Congress will instead insist on thousands of pages of so-called "immigration reform' legislation which no one will read, no one will understand, and which will be unenforceable. Anyone with viable brain matter between their ears can easily understand the real solutions. Understanding why Congress won't implement real solutions is simply a matter of understanding that the current US Congress is merely a tool of Corporation US and TPTB of the Ruling Class which really makes all decisions affecting us, based upon their agenda.

[dutchdivco]

Hey, Rick

You remember what nancy said; We have to PASS the bill, before we can read it and see whats in it, (or whatever). LOL

Yes, of coarse these kids aren't coming here for jobs, but they ARE coming here for a future. INTERIOR enforcement, such as you and I are describing WOULD resolve the problem.

But DC doesn't WANT to SOLVE the problem. And based on their last attempt, they will only make things worse. So, the 'status quo' is unsustainable, but any change made will only make matters worse. Sounds to me like an unresolvable conundrum.

And a very common situation, these days. We have a whole series of problems WE have created, and for which there is no 'do-able' solution.

Interior enforcement is an example of a solution thats not do-able; as you say, while it would work, THEY won't do it.

"Lets call the whole thing off!" (its the ONLY way) Jim

[aljhoa]

And a very common situation, these days. We have a whole series of problems WE have created, and for which there is no 'do-able' solution.

The Soviet is not a Russian but a Jewish institution. Nor is it the invention of Russian Jews of the present time, a new political device which has been set up as a vehicle of the ideas of Lenin and Trotsky; it is of ancient Jewish origin, a device which the Jews themselves invented to maintain their distinctive racial and national life after the conquest of Palestine by the Romans.

It is therefore no new thing that has arisen in Russia. It is the imposition by the Jewish revolutionists upon Gentile Russia of a form of control in which Judaism has been schooled from the earliest times of its contact with the world. Soviet Russia could not have been possible had not 90 per cent of the commissars been Jewish. Soviet Hungary could not have been possible had not Bela Kun, the chief Red, been a Jew, and had not 18 of his 24 commissars been Jews. The Jews are the only group schooled in the erection and administration of the Kahal.
Is the Jewish "Kahal" the Modern "Soviet"?


Al

[aljhoa]

George Washington's Letter to the
Jews of Newport, Rhode Island
(1790)

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...l/bigotry.html

Al

[aljhoa]

The "Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism" pdf file @ http://www.kathodos.com/magnetismsmall.pdf

explains the phenomena shown in the following segment
Bizarre Magnetic Inner-Action With Aluminium - YouTube

Al

[rickoff]

reports an estimated 290,000 illegal immigrants, including 52,000 unaccompanied children, have crossed the border illegally in the Rio Grande Valley to cities around the county, just in recent months.

Ray Stevens has put out a new song titled "Come To America," and it would be hilarious if the song lyrics were not so sadly true.

[dutchdivco]

Why not, and WHY?

O.K., so why don't we say there is a 'humanitarian crises'; there are "X" # of children, (citisens OF he U.S., who are 'homeless'), as well as "X" # of VETERANS who are 'homeless', "X" # of FAMILIES and individuals who are homeless, and living (in most cases) in the most abject poverty, (in this country) and open up these 'detention' centers to THEM, where they can recieve the kind of aid being afforded these immigrants?

Why don't we BILL the governments of Guatamala, Honduras and El Salvador for the cost of housing, clothing, feeding, otherwise caring for,...and transporting back home EVERY citisen of their country we 'detain'?

Why don't we initiate INTERIOR enforcement methods, that would make it clear if you want to come to this country, do it by working within the system, rather than coing in illegally? And, while we are at it, streamline the system to make it less cumbersome to migrate legally?

For instance, as a legal immigrant, going thru the process, you better not move once during the 7-15 years it takes to become legal; if you DO, the immigration idiotsill inevitably send your notice for a hearing to the 'old' address, you will miss your appointment, and have to start all over. Publishers Clearing House, any credit card conmpany, etc. can follow you, even if you move every 2 months, but filing a 'change of address' with immigration is a waste of time. Typical Beurocratic incompetence!

Having seen first hand, in Arizona, the vast migration of illegals after sb1070 was passed, I can assure you; INTERIOR enforcement works! We saw whole apartment complexes empty, within a month, once 'illegals' believed they were going to be apprehended and deported.

We also saw a significant reduction after 2008, when jobs became scarce. But no one is talking about interior enforcement; its all about 'securing the border'. Take away the incentive, and they won't come. So why are we talking about the wrong things, and not talking about or doing the right things???Jim