The American Ruling Class

[aljhoa]

This case just goes to show once again that the states don't feel that constitutional law, which requires a presidential contender to be a natural born citizen, must be followed by the states even though a state may have no state law requiring the same, or requiring that proof of NBC status be shown by those who wish to be included on a ballot. It's a ridiculous argument, because the US Constitution is regarded as supreme law, was ratified by the various states at the time it was adopted (including New Jersey) and must therefore be recognized as such and obeyed. When a state allows a non-natural born citizen to appear on a ballot, that state is trashing the Constitution.

What if the government rejects the Constitution?
By Judge Andrew Napolitano
Published April 12, 2012


What if the government never took the Constitution seriously? What if the same generation -- in some cases the same human beings -- that wrote in the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech," also enacted the Alien and Sedition Acts, which made it a crime to criticize the government? What if the feds don't regard the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land?

What if the government regards the Constitution as merely a guideline to be referred to from time to time, or a myth to be foisted upon the voters, but not as a historic delegation of power that lawfully limits the federal government?
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What if the federal government is out of control, no matter which party controls it? What if there is only harmony on Capitol Hill when government is growing and personal liberty is shrinking? What if the presidential race this fall will not be between good and evil, between right and left, between free markets and central planning or even between constitutional government and Big Government; but only about how much bigger Big Government should get?

What if enough is enough? What do we do about it? What if it's too late?
What if the government rejects the Constitution? | Fox News

Al

[dutchdivco]

Responding

To Judge Napolitono, (obviously) "What you mean, 'What if', Kemosabe??"
To Rick; On the Birth certificate issue, it is a valid point; The Constitution say it is a requirement that Presidents be a NBC, but,..'We' don't have a effective, established,transparent method for addressing this issue; there is a 'GAP'. Any law is inneffective, unless someone is delegated with the responsibility and authority to enforce it.

The most practical time to address this issue is when someone 'throws their hat in the ring', which is when their name is submitted to be on the ballot.
Therefore, the most logical entity to ascertain legitimacy to be a candidate is the Secretaries of State, for each state.Each State Legislature needs to pass legislation spelling out the responsibilityand the authority of the Secretary of State to examine such documentation as is necessary to ascertain a candidate IS qualified. Obviously, this has never been done.

I agree with your argument that since the Costitution is supreme law of the land, the judges rulewas wrong. However, if the aforementioned was done, he could not have ruled the way he did.

I also think there is the opportunity to turn the 'crazy birther' argument around. That is, the argument can be made; "We want to do this (establish a transperent, effective way of resolving this issue), so we never again have a significant % of the electorate questioning whether their President is legitimate. i.e "Its not that WE'RE 'Birthers', (said by the people advocating for these laws), its that we want to insure their is none of this 'birther foolishness' in the future." Those who would fight such a law would thereby be 'disarmed' of their main argument.

Farmhand; While your thoughts seem like a good aspiration, it seems like it would be impractical/impossible to incorporate within the existing system. On the other hand, while I fimly believe mankind went off coarse, when we made the initial decision, (to stop being 'hunter/gatherers, and to stay in one place) and that civilisation, with all its negatives resulted from that one decision,I admit I have NO idea how we go about getting 'back on coarse' or what an alternative should look like. Jim

[aljhoa]

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Al

[aljhoa]

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Al

[aljhoa]

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this terrible situation that exists is that our young have never been taught to reason with logic. In fact, it is something that simply cannot be taught after about age 10.

A mind that has been filled with fairy tales, and Santa Clause, and Easter bunnies simply does not grasp logic. If such minds could be taught logic, then the armies of nations would not have been out killing and murdering for the past 2000 years because that never was logical.that it is OK to believe lies. Children, when small, believe lies because their parents want them to, and that makes it easier on the parents. When the children grow up, they believe lies because it still seems that believing lies will make it easier on them as adults.

Somewhere in their minds they know it is OK to believe lies because for their first 10 years they were expected to believe lies.
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[dutchdivco]

[ashtweth]

Dutch, you cant exploit housing and other things Farm said if every country grows industrial hemp for it. (29, 000 uses)

any how
Obama's Lawyers Admit Birth Certificate is Fake! - YouTube

Why isnt any one talking about how the forgery got into the white house, who ordered it and how did get posted, where does the trail lead

Ash

[aljhoa]

Dutch, you cant exploit housing and other things Farm said if every country grows industrial hemp for it. (29, 000 uses)

any how
Obama's Lawyers Admit Birth Certificate is Fake! - YouTube

Why isnt any one talking about how the forgery got into the white house, who ordered it and how did get posted, where does the trail lead

Ash

Obama's lawyer did NOT admit that the image of Obama's birth certificate was a forgery - YouTube

Al

[Aaron]

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[Mad Scientist]

Obama's lawyer did NOT admit that the image of Obama's birth certificate was a forgery - YouTube

Al

so in this case they claim that state laws are superior to federal laws.
It sure must be nice to be able to makeup and change the rules as they go.

[dutchdivco]

Ash, Mad Scientist

Firstly, you said can't exploit if hemp, etc. I'm reminded of the saying; Those who use the term 'foolproof' grossly underestimate the creativity of fools!"

My point is you underestimate the ability and propensity of 'sociopaths' (ARC?) to exploit ANYTHIN for profit. Even if you develop a 'new economy' based on Hemp, 'THEY' will find a way to exploit it, the Barstuds!

As for why anyone isn't talking about who made the forgery, how it go into the WH, who put it online; Still haven't gotten general populace to address and accept main question of it BEING a forgery, without getting to such questions.

Mad Scientist; This is nothing NEW, and isn't limited to the Obamanites. In fact, we ALL do this; we make an argument when it supports our position, and ignore the SAME argument when it refutes our argument on a differnet issue.
But, we 'see' this behavior clearly when others (whom we disagree with ) do it, but are 'blind' to seeing it when we do it, ourselves; its 'human nature'.Jim

[rickoff]

There are many who believe that Barry O is not actually the offspring of a Kenyan father, but instead was fathered by Frank Marshall Davis, a black man who lived in Hawaii and was a radical poet and journalist, as well as an avowed, card carrying member of the Communist party. After looking at some photos of Davis, I must say that Barry does indeed look much more like him than his claimed Kenyan father.



See what you think, and also check out a short video which exposes more details.

[dutchdivco]

Rick

This gets back to an earlier issue; does 'natural born citisen' mean not only born in the U.S., but BOTH parents born in the U.S., or just MOM born in the U.S.
You KNOW who the Mother is, but frankly we are ALL 'taking it on faith' who the FATHER is, short of a DNA test. And, back when they were writing the Constitution, and haveing subsequent (relevent) legal cases, they didn't HAVE DNA tests.
Personally, I don't really give a rats *ss who his father was, myself.

I DO wonder just exactly how many orders the 'average' seargent gets from the President? Its called the 'chain of command', I believe. Even if an order ORIGINATES from the Pres., he would be court marshalled for refusing to obey a command from his immediate superior. Anyway, amasing how many people put their brain in 'Park', when they get on Facebook. Like the Secret service guy who posted the picture of himself, 'checking out' Sarah Palin.

Technology really does seemtomakeus dumber! Jim

[aljhoa]

You know you live in Upside-down Land if...
■Your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend more money.
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■Being self-sufficient is considered a threat to the government.
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■Politicians think that stripping away the amendments to the constitution is really protecting the rights of the people.
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■The rights of the State come before the rights of the individual.
Upside-Down Land - Maine ReFounders

I Am America - YouTube

Al

[rickoff]

Obama's lawyer did NOT admit that the image of Obama's birth certificate was a forgery - YouTube

Al

That's right, the lawyer simply argued that she wasn't going to produce it because it was irrelevant.