Think i found some missing info from Tesla's radiant energy patent

[nat1971a]

YouTube - Update 30 - Found missing info from Tesla Radiant Energy Patent

Think i found some missing info from tesla's radiant energy patent.
I am theorising based on this info that the elevated plate was negatively charged prior and possibly even the ground plate is positively charged prior using an electrophorus or large bank of batteries. This would provide a condenser in series with the plates and the environment just as he mentions in the patent that they are in "series". The jj thomson document mentions that the charge doesnt appear unless the plate is negatively charged prior

Let the experiments begin!!!

[Sputins]

Excellent theory.. Worthy of experimentation..

Go to the top of the class..!

[john_g]

Nat

You may find the scans below of intrest.

[morpher44]

negative ions

In thinking about this a bit, an experiment to exploit Tesla's idea here might be able to utilize many different ways of producing negative ions near or onto the collector plate.

[] Salt crystal lamps are known to emit negative ions
[] or a low power negative ion generator could be used
[] falling water -- waterfalls or water sprays -- produces negative ions

Negative ions have health benefits as well as mental/mood benefits.

Perhaps there is an inexpensive or low-energy way of producing
negative charges.

[CosmicFarmer]

Free Energy

Hamster + wheel = motion.

Put a belt on the hamster wheel that acts as a pulley on another wheel made of glass or plastic. Turn the whole thing into a Vaan De Graff Generator. Take the output of the HaamsteGraff through tesla's air ionizer.

Well the energy would cost you cleaning his cage, unless you had free range hamsters that fed off of the ambient environment (a field nearby)

Thats the free-est cheapest way I could come up with getting ions, if you didn't live near a waterfall.

[nat1971a]

[morpher44]

[morpher44]

lightning catcher

One predicted outcome of the global climate change and the
strange sun cycle is the advent of super storms.

We have seen some large storms and more may be due as we
approach 2012.

Collecting SOLAR energy and WIND energy is great.

I am very surprised that no one as yet has thought of collecting
LIGHTNING. This is a storm chaser's dream.

Yes this sounds like a Frankenstien idea but actually its a Tesla idea.
Tesla is the prototypical "mad scientist", trying to harness lightning.

It wouldn't make sense, necessarily to build a facility to
harness lightning. Rather, it might make more sense to
build a MOBILE facility. Take the facility to the storm.

Lasers can be used to ionize and impose a charge
to create a column for the lightning strike.
Carefully constructed receivers could be raised that
safely take the lightning HIT and bring the energy
down into the system.
The physics are pretty well understood ..
but this is dangerous ... so the person attempting this
would have to really know their stuff.

It might be possible to create a large quantity of hydrogen
from several lightning strikes.
One could also charge those LARGE batteries
such as ones made by ZBB Energy Corp.

If such a machine could be made ... this would be
the most BAD-ASS job in the world to do.

[nat1971a]

I like your idea about the ICE!!!

That is one simple experiment...Try an elevated negatively charged plate with ice on top of it or below it or both. And a positively charged ground plate.

The oil that Tesla was referring to was paraffin and from what i gather causes a diffraction effect (ie scattering effect)

The lightning idea is beyond my skill set. But i will look at the patent again anyway.

Cheers

Nat

[morpher44]

negative ion generator

btw, I have in my bathroom, for experimentation purposes,
two glass panes 2ft by 5ft (or so) with two aluminum strips
between them -- as a sort of Tesla collector.

Last night I attached this to my voltmeter and ground -- set
it to AC and measure approx. 1 volt RMS (or so).
With the florescent lights in the room, the voltage drops.
Kill the lights, and the voltage increases on the collector.
The lights are dampening or attenuating the reception on these
plates.
These CFL lights could be a source of positive ions
(which irritate human beings btw).

I then put my negative ion generator up near the plates and
turned it on.

The voltage measure from the plates popped up to 2.5 volts AC RMS
or so.

So this simple experiment demonstrates this idea of creating
negative ions NEAR your collector plates.
Certainly pre-charging the plates to a very HIGH negative charge
would be more dramatic voltage-wise.
I predict, though, that the plates will be LOSSY and the
charge will dissipate depending on your capacitance and
resistance. Household aluminum foil is very resistive ... so not
very ideal here.
My plates are not big enough.

The thing about capacitors are that you need to make
them physically LARGE
OR
use a dielectric (the bigger the better as discussed above).
YES ICE sounds like a cool idea. :-)

Another idea, that won't melt, is to use
CARBON and PARAFFIN.

[nat1971a]

Yes you are correct about the negative precharging. The experiments i have looked at by jj thomson and others were using 200-300 volts of precharge. God knows what Tesla was using. I would imagine much much higher.

Interesting experiment you conducted! As Tesla said in the roengten rays article of 22april1896 94% of the rays remained unaccounted for. So something he did or discovered later must have captured more.

He certainly was investigating liquid insulaters as such....so paraffin or ICE are certainly good places to start some experiments with.

Cheers
Nat

[nat1971a]

i just had a vague recollection of Tesla using ice on his ground connection or was it water. I will have to double check that.

But having thought about it, this would mean that we would have a super conducting condenser (capacitor) in series with the wheel work of nature.

anyway something to ponder about................

[boguslaw]

The question arises : what is produced when anode rays as suddenly stopped ????

Seems nobody was interested....

[boguslaw]

Here is example of anode rays : http://image.tutorvista.com/content/...roduction.jpeg

Tesla FOUND IT FIRST ! Compare that to his description of experiment from 1893 (or slightly earlier)

[nat1971a]

@boguslaw

I shall highlight the key parts of Tesla's radiant energy patent in response

Nikola Tesla - Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy - Patent No. 685,958

"It is well known that certain radiations - such as those of ultra-violet light, cathodic, Roentgen rays, or the like - possess the property of charging and discharging conductors of electricity, the discharge being particularly noticeable when the conductor upon which the rays impinge is negatively electrified......
... when rays or radiations of the above kind are permitted to fall upon an insulated conducting body connected to one of the terminals of a condenser, while the other terminal of the same is made by independant means to receive or to carry away electricity, a current flows into the condenser so long as the insulated body is exposed to the rays.

paragraph 40
Referring to Fig1 C is the condenser, P the insulated plate or conducting body which is exposed to the rays and P' another plate or conductor, all being joined in series