Project Camelot / Dr. Brian O'Leary Presentation on F-E Suppression

[witsend]

Jibbguy - those were both interesting posts. I agree your comments regarding Sibel Edmonds, et al - those interviews - show some serious accountability of your congresssmen - sorry - persons. But consider also the extraordinary privilege you all enjoy in living under a constitution that can enable accountability - even if it's only a theoretical constitutional right. There are many countries where it would be entirely out of the question. You need to hold that up as a flag to the spirit of America. We're still exploring our rights to freedom of expression - and a small reminder - the vast majority of our planet's population hardly know the meaning of the term.

But regarding your question as to what takes over? That's really profound. What would stop Greer taking the reins? And if not him - then who? Would centralised control take second place to some sort of regional or federal authority. And what would limit their power? The fact is that we all look to a heirarchical control of sorts. I sincerely believe it's been genetically encoded in our psyches.

However - what could - perhaps - be considered is the 'end product' to a general equalising of the 'benefits'. This would, presumably reduce the mad scramble to compete with the Jones's. If energy is freely available - ease of living is ensured - and the competition with each other - thereby reduced. Or rather not the end to competition as this is healthy - but competition to gross displays of personal possessions. I don't know. But possibly. Certainly that was a Marxist maxim. Man to lose that acquisitive nature? Perhaps a free distribution of ease of living - and this could just go?

In any event. I do believe there's lots to be said for re-organisation into smaller units - even, ideally - in the Swiss Canton structures? Anyway I'm rambling. I hope it becomes a problem that we actually CAN reconsider governmental controls.

[jibbguy]

Hmm i was not suggesting anarchy for governments; only the free energy /open source movements... Hehehe i don't think Greer would get very far there, but he does have a chance of setting himself up as the leader / SOLE SPOKESMAN for the movement (...which he appears to be "running" for). Which would be a "bad" thing, imo: Not because i dislike him, but because NO ONE PERSON should be.

Regarding our Constitution: I and ALL the Americans i know who are on this side demanding accountability and Truth from our leaders love our country very much, we love the IDEAL that we were taught when we were children. In fact we love it enough to take a lot of crap over our "unpatriotic" stances. Of course they are really not unpatriotic, just outside of the mainstream and contrary to "popular" thought

It is not even the government we oppose; it is criminals in it and behind it now that we oppose. We understand that we cannot allow the Rule of Law to fail: It is what this Republic was built on... NOT DEMOCRACY: The Rule of Law. This is a very important point to understand. Our Forefathers designed it this way for very good reasons... It curbs the "Tyranny of the Majority". Now, we see the Rule of Law flaunted and ignored by those whose power allows them to get away with it, because they control the national mainstream media so those "dangerous questions" about the Rule of Law never get publicly asked.... Never are addressed. This is the evil that allows them to get away with EVERYTHING that has happened.... And changing this is the first step towards reversing it.

Free Energy is a means to this end, too: If we can defeat the mainstream media blockade, and WE CAN.... This changes the equation. Change is BAD for them.. And one victory will cause another, and another.. Until we once again have Rule of Law, fairly open media, and a government that is truly representative of the People.. And not a small oligarchy who's interests have nothing to do with our's

[ashtweth]

Many of you have seen this already, but it is interesting and worth while nonetheless. Some of the things said here need serious discussion within the Community... Dr. Greer does not speak for all of us, and it is important to understand that he & Orion does not yet embrace the principals of Open Source (please understand it is ACTIONS not words that matter here).

BTW: One point of interest stated there is that Orion was apparently not successful in gaining the Stanley Meyer tech... I find this odd since it was touted on their site earlier this year as a "done deal".
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Dr. Greer's recent presentation on Free Energy suppression:

Dr. Steven Greer The Promise of New Energy Video

It is quite interesting. Although "Orion Project" does not yet really embrace Open Source... They keep all their F-E information very close and tell NOTHING about it... We are hoping that in the future this will change

The reason that is important is this: The way to get F-E released successfully is widespread world-wide replication (making it too hard to suppress). For this, Orion NEEDS the Open Source community. If any of you are members of Orion, i would urge you to please point this out in comments & letters. Also point out, that the way to do this is to remain...

DE-CENTRALIZED.. NO LEADERS.

"Leaders" mean distrust and schism; and having leaders makes it easy to derail the entire thing. We don't need "Chiefs" for this: We need "Warriors". Meaning that folks who are able to build a thousand replications in their homes and garages that will be beyond their ability to stop.

I think this thingie about Leaders is very important. If Greer gained leadership, or anyone else, then what would happen if a portion of this community decided in the future, that he was somehow co-opted and corrupted.. That he had been "Gotten To" and changed? Whether it was true or not, it creates a large divide... We cannot allow schism, when what is needed is to move forward with ALL the resources we have available.

So that is why i would claim here that the above video of Greer's is a move towards gaining this "Leadership". He appears to likely be setting himself up for this leadership role as "The Leader of the Free Energy Movement".

It should be resisted: Not that i have any personal worries or problems about him, but that i have worries about ANYONE gaining such a "Leadership" role. And so should all of you!!

We are all adults, we don't need "bosses" here to shepard us or to tell us what to do. We KNOW what needs to be done. When the time is right, when the tech is ready, IT WILL get done. This is how we succeed: By keeping this de-centralized, and independent... And immune to derailment by infiltration and a coup at the top. Good God, when you look at all that is at stake here.. Does anyone think they WON'T try to stop it? Why give them a easy target to aim for?

Sure, this is a "different" idea that goes against all we ever see at work, school, government... Even our families. Lol, but so is EVERYTHING else about this

Anyway, i think it is worthy of discussion... I'm not looking to debate / argument but for different ideas for us to consider. I don't pretend to know all the answers, or to speak for anyone but myself. But no one else... Here or at Orion or anywhere else.... Speaks for ME either.. And i plan to keep it that way

HI Rose Jib and ALL.

Thanks for the report jib , means i don't have to sift through that and can get on to my 79 hour day LOL. Thx M8 Yes i agree great points, Greer would be a great asset to us all if he participated like you describe, i think we can help show him this capacity by our methods , and he can with his public face support and our work. I have met the second in charge of the disclosure project personally, and he asked us to help collect legal petitions for them, so we do.
Disclosure Project

Ash

[witsend]

Jibbguy - your last post. I can buy into it - whole heartedly.

I get it that you're recommending a change of government and a relaxing of their interests in and influence over the media. I would suggest that what you and Dr Greer, Valone and all are actually doing here is making inroads into an even more powerful medium than the media itself - but exploring the internet as a new tool for communication. It's got to help. I used to watch television. Now, quite frankly I prefer to watch youtube.

The trick is to get more of the world's population on line. Can't wait for the changes to come. One feels it in the air. Almost tangible.

[jibbguy]

"And now for something completely different..."

YouTube - 9/11's a lie

Hmm, i bet i got an old white polyester suit around here somewhere...

[witsend]

"And now for something completely different..."

YouTube - 9/11's a lie

Hmm, i bet i got an old white polyester suit around here somewhere...

Really good message. But I've a question. Who orchestrated this attack on the towers? I keep hearing that the world was duped. Could someone give reference to where one can read up on this with some credible reporting?

The link was great. Thanks Jibbguy.

[jibbguy]

Certainly, I now can tell the word who orchestrated and perpetrated 911:

Barry Gibb. In a sick bid to rejuvenate his lagging career.

The hope was, that taking us back to the "Reagan Era" politically, would also bring back to the days of Disco. Unfortunately, it almost worked, but instead we just jumped over disco and went straight to the bull-riding "Country" scene.
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Seriously, there is only speculation, that is mainly based on MOTIVE. Who had the motive to do it, and who capitalized on the result?

In a court of law, circumstantial evidence of Motive is commonly used to Convict people of crimes when no eyewitnesses or other evidence is available.

We do know this:

> The day BEFORE 9/11/2001, Donald "Rumps-felt", the US Secretary of Defense, went on the major news networks and made the amazing statement that the Pentagon accounting offices could not account for THREE TRILLION DOLLARS of defense spending. This was HUGE news... For about 16 hours.... Then it was NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN BY THE US MAINSTREAM MEDIA.... EVER.

> The US was soon embroiled in 2 wars, of which we are still in... These wars greatly profit large corporations such as General Electric (who happens to own the NBC television network too). Without the huge patriotic fervor whipped-up by the MSM, this NEVER could have happened.

> Because of 9/11, the "Patriot Act" and dozens of similar laws were put into place, severely curtailing the individual freedoms of citizens and greatly increasing the power of the Federal Government. Again, with out the event of 9/11, this NEVER could have happened.

> Many other things happened during this time after 9/11 that had profound effects later (including the relaxing of Securities and Banking regulations that led to last years "banking crisis"): But no one was watching, and the "War on Terror" allowed greater control of the media. The CIA started having greater direct control of what was allowed to be said in the news (...a situation which exists to this day).

> George W Bush, who was called by many "the worst president in our history" BEFORE 9/11 (and who barely won the 2000 dead-locked election through what many believe to be a betrayal by the US Supreme Court in their vote along "party" lines)... Won re-election by another very slim margin on the 2004 elections. Judging by his performance, he WOULD NOT have won in 2004 without the event of 9/11 .

> There is positive evidence that the US government considered or actually perpetrated plans for false-flag operations before: the Gulf of Tonkin operation was a false-flag LIE to get us further into Viet Nam. he "Northwoods" secret plan would have blown up fake airliners and blamed it on Cuba (military documents actually stating this were found through "Freedom of Information Act" disclosures), and the USS Liberty, a Navy surveillance ship, was bombed and strafed repeatedly by Israeli fighters in the Mediterranean. It was planned for this incident to be blamed on the Arabs as a pretext for America to enter the Arab-Israeli wars... But the sailors who survived talked to foreign press telling them about the Israeli planes, which ruined the plan.

So you see, such an operation is not "unthinkable" by a sociopathic government. Hitler used it to start World War 2 in Poland (..the border radio station incident), and 6 years earlier to start the greater persecution of the Jews (the burning of the Reichstadt).

So who did 9/11 ? Well, it was unlikely that the Egyptian and Saudi terrorists did it, as the bush regime claimed. Many of those people were reported still alive and living in the middle east 5 years ago. Osama Bin Laden has never been charged with it by the FBI.

[ashtweth]

Really good message. But I've a question. Who orchestrated this attack on the towers? I keep hearing that the world was duped. Could someone give reference to where one can read up on this with some credible reporting?

The link was great. Thanks Jibbguy.

His Rose/ALL

All the evidence we have been able to find so far we have added here,
911- September 11
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I think we have 3000 plus signatures now for a re opening of the official investigation. BTW our Rossie is one of them .

There are so many motives for 911, a lot of power and financial gain. Perhaps the story that blew me away was the medical neglect of 911 the fireman and first responders. A person took them to Cuba and they go FREE medical treatment, think it was Micheal Moore. Makes you wonder who the humanitarians are. I just hope we get enough support for a re investigation whilst BUSH is alive, as we all know......


Ash

[jibbguy]

"9/11" is not a curriculum requirement for a FE Degree

Nice work m8, as always

I think we should state, that it is not "required" to believe the 9/11 Truth stuff, and to still be interested in free energy technologies.

I'm not really "about" 9/11, but my conscience does not allow me to ignore it , either.... I think this is true about many of us here. We have a different area of research, and we feel it is highly important to our futures.

But that aside, free energy is a mainly unrelated subject. And there are many good folks who are suspicious, and perhaps personally angered and disturbed, by the "9/11 Truth" message... Who could be turned off to F-E because of that.

To those i would say this: No one here requires us to be ANYTHING, except perhaps open minded to new ideas. We are a coalition of people from all over the world, with a very wide range of political, religious, and social views. We have the thirst for gaining knowledge, and the hope for a better world in common.

We, all of us who are genuine and who hold personal honor anyway, do what we believe is right. Look at it from the viewpoint of us who believe that the official 9/11 story is indeed a lie: How could we remain silent if such a horrific and evil event indeed was orchestrated by our own?

And we also MUST look at it from the view of those who disagree: It is anathema and against what the ideal of America stands for to suggest such a thing... Subversive, disrespectful, and even perhaps treasonous.

The thing to get past here, and to understand, is: "Where it is we are coming from".

Tolerance for different viewpoints cannot exist until we do.

[witsend]

Hi Jibbguy,

As always hats off to a superb example of the 'marshalling of the facts'. It's a very clear skill you enjoy. Thanks for the exercise. It's clear that the attack on the towers conveniently drew attention away from "Rumps-felt" (LOL) reference to that accounting discrepancy. (Possibly a misnomer? LOL) Good heavens. The money may have been put into 'black' arts perhaps. Who can tell. But what really gets me is the amount of money. It's probably enough cash there to buy up most of Africa a couple of times over even with your tumbling dollar values.

And I get it that we don't need to subscribe to everything to support the underlying cause. I haven't lived in the community long enough to get fully acquainted with all the knowledge that you guys have got. I'm predisposed to kicking against mainstream - and I love eccentric idealogies. I'm also captivated by the different arguments. Only one thing I know for certain is that the general reach of just about everyone on this forum has the sincerity and idealism that I can fully subscribe to - and that's more than enough for me.

And Ash - I saw that clip about the guys who went to Cuba for help. AND it was freely given. Makes one think. I might tell you I entirely subscribe to Panacea's vision. Roll on freedom from power grids and utility supply sources. Can't wait.

[jibbguy]

Ben Rich's last wish was to let us know

Personally i think the money was spend on the "secret space navy" of highly advanced "anti-grav" space craft that they are said to have had for many years now... And these craft are what Ben Rich, former head of Lockheed Skunk Works, is referring to when he made his amazing statement:

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”

He also was witnessed by many to say:

"We could take ET home"

And then there is the testimony of the hacker Gary McKinnon, who says he saw the crew rosters and other proofs for these space craft when he hacked into a DoD database. He is being extradited from the UK to do time in a US Federal prison for that.

Go to the NASA site and look for what they've got on the Space Shuttles' replacement program (which are being retired in 2010)... Nothing

Lol this is the first time we haven't been bombarded by P.R. from NASA for a manned vehicle project, to drum up support and Congressional funding. Yet we hear not a peep about what will be the U.S.' ONLY way to get men into space after next year. Could that mean Disclosure's coming, and it just doesn't make sense to waste time & money screwing around with chemical rockets anymore? Who knows.

Strange, that

[jibbguy]

At the near-surety of sounding insufferably pleased with myself, hehehe...

I am very glad to announce the "500th Member" at the Free Energy Facebook Group.

I posted a new art. / Discussion Topic for the occasion:

"The Link Between Disclosure and Free Energy"

Which refers to UFO disclosure, and how Free Energy Release would be the surest method for seeing that happen in our lifetimes.

The Free Energy Facebook Group | Facebook

OK, i promise no more gratuitous plugs until we reach "1,000" lol.

[jibbguy]

Here's something on the Pittsburgh G20 Protests

YouTube - Hitler running security during G20 Pittsburgh NSSE (Hitler spoof)

[jibbguy]

Back on topic (for a few minutes anyway lol)

"Who Killed The Water Car":

YouTube - Who Killed the WATER Car? Part 1 of 6

[witsend]

Jibbguy - thanks for the links. Both were excellent - but I LOVED THE SPOOF. Really clever.