Hubbard Coil

[morpher44]

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Phi-heterodyning | Physics, Mathematics | INTERFERENCE

[morpher44]

Hubbard PHI video

I've created a video to try to explain my recent epiphany that Hubbard was probably intentionally trying to beat two PHI ratio frequencies against each other to create a 3rd lower frequency also a PHI ratio, and so on, and so on...

Hubbard Coil and PHI Ratio Frequencies - YouTube

-morpher44

[morpher44]

The math solution -- easy...

Ok people. I've done the math and its quite easy.

Let us have 3 frequences:
f3 = the lowest frequency in the set
f2 = X * f3 (where X is a ratio not known to us yet)
f1 = X^2 * f3

We also want this formula to be true:

f3 = f1 - f2

i.e. that f3 is the beat frequency derived by beating f1 against f2.
Now with substitution, we have:

f3 = X^2 * f3 - X * f3

divide out f3 since it doesn't matter and rearrange the equation to be
in the quadratic equation form, and we have:

0 = X^2 - X - 1

Quadratic equation, if you remember, is
X = (-b +/- SQRT(b^2 - 4ac)) / 2a
We have
a=1
b=-1
c=-1
Solving for X, we get:
1.618 and -.618

QED: The only answer is PHI.

[morpher44]

beat frequency calculator

Enter in any two frequencies that have a PHI ratio:

Beat Frequency Calculator - Make My Calculator

Observe that the resulting frequency is also a PHI ratio with the lower of the two frequencies you've entered.

--morpher44

[morpher44]

no control?

I think that there is no control over the beat frequency.
It is the subtraction of the two main frequencies.

i.e. If you compare the sound from two frequencies which are
256Hz and 259Hz, then the beat frequency will be 3Hz.

So you are missing the idea here a bit.

The interesting thing about PHI ratio frequencies is that they FIT better when the beat. Yes you can beat together any two arbitrary frequencies and end up with a resulting wave pattern that is "pretty" or "ugly" depending upon your choices. PHI is better than "pretty". It is pure beauty. I liken it to having two mirrors facing each other. You look in and see infinite reflections. You bend one mirror ever so slightly and the angles spiral off into infinity in a very fractal way.

Take two PHI ratio frequencies and beat them together and you have a new thing that is also a PHI ratio of the previous two.

So this is a MATH problem. Can it be shown that ONLY PHI provides this property? I would predict YES, although I haven't solved the equations myself.

One misleading thing when you look at the Hubbard material is there is this table that starts with 2.8Ghz and then shows various frequencies derived by dividing 2.8Ghz by 2^19, 2^18, 2^17, etc. I've puzzled over this and can't answer the question in my mind of WHY this is there.
I reasoned that 2.8Ghz would be the NMR of IRON subject to a certain magnetic field. I think it was about .8 Teslas if I remember this correctly.
But why? Why this value? It made no sense to me unless Hubbard was
designing for this value specifically for some reason.
The other misleading thing here is the power-of-two business.
If you start thinking power-of-two, you are thinking INSIDE the box in terms of traditional oscillation where a signal at one frequency will help the frequency that is power-of-two up or down from that frequency.
Is this table, therefore, a PSYOP to make you stay in the box and to think only power-of-two.

We probably don't want to be thinking power-of-two.
I think we DO need to be thinking power-of-PHI.

If anyone has a theory about ths 2.8Ghz table, I'de be happy to hear it. This has be another one of the mysteries yet unsolved.

--morpher44

[wrtner]

So given this equation, can you solve it such that frequency A
is the faster frequency, frequency B is 1.618 slower, and the resulting BEAT frequency, frequency C is 1.618 slower than B?

I think that there is no control over the beat frequency.
It is the subtraction of the two main frequencies.

i.e. If you compare the sound from two frequencies which are
256Hz and 259Hz, then the beat frequency will be 3Hz.

[Itsu]

Hi M,

i can see that you are "thinking" about this stuff already for a long time.
I like your pancake coil idea (being populair nowadays), but have a hard time visializing this.
I have to reread it severall times i guess.

This signal (modulated) we see under: "Two sine waves with different frequencies: Beats" in your link above, we see also in these induction plate replications from JL Naudin, Woopy etc.

For now i will start simple by winding some air coils in the PHI relationship and do some measurments on them.

Thanks, regards Itsu.

[morpher44]

Two frequencies problem...

In basic physics, there are formulas for two sine waves and how they BEAT to create a 3rd frequency.

This is a good link. See "Two Sine Waves With Different Frequencies"

Superposition of Waves

So given this equation, can you solve it such that frequency A
is the faster frequency, frequency B is 1.618 slower, and the resulting BEAT frequency, frequency C is 1.618 slower than B?

In other words, can you create a BEAT frequency from two PHI ratio sine waves that produces a wave that continues to maintain the PHI ratio relationship. If yes, than take C add it to B and produce D ... and so on.

Seems doable, right?

[morpher44]

golden nuggets

Hmmm, yes that makes sense.
...
To be complete:

outer coils 50mm 90t 20cm L= 89.6uH Res.= 5316.99Khz (1 Ohm / 10pF)
center coil 80.9mm 90t 20cm L= 221uH Res.= 3385.51Khz or 3286.61Khz when using L=234.5uH (1 Ohm / 10pF)


Regards Itsu

Thanks Itsu.
Those web calculators may round up/down, etc.
Its probably better to work with the math in terms of equations and symbols and see what cancels, etc... trig.
Its pretty clear here, though, that he was thinking about the frequencies and the PHI relationship between them. The coils, when made, will be a bit imperfect -- implying you may have to TUNE adding or subtracting turns, or adding capacitors in parallel with the coil, etc. The machine being made, however, is trying to create these reinforcing frequencies that have the nice PHI relationship.

I've been thinking about this a bit this morning and there are possibly OTHER geometries to consider:

1. Russian Doll approach -- place cylinders inside each other with coils wrapped around them. With just TWO coils, you have a basic transformer. I have two coils with the PHI relationship. I tried this and to my amazement, if you pulse the bigger outer coil, the inner coil experiences a HUGE voltage increase -- ala Tesla coil. So why stop at two? Why not have several cylinders each with a PHI ratio diameter?

2. Pancake coils arrange on a cone with PHI relationship. Each flat pancake coil could have an inner diameter that allows it to sit on a cone structure @ its place in the PHI array. Next pancake coil down is is to have an inner diameter with the PHI^2 ratio, and so on. Each of these pancake coils should reinforce each other inductively, but do the very nice feature of transforming FREQUENCY. You would maintain in the coils the PHI^2 ratio for inductance, and the PHI ratio inner diameters (and outer diameters). This cone-stack-of-pancake coils might be interesting to experiment with.

3. Stack of Rodin coils - Why not create a CONE of Rodin coils, each made from torroids that maintain the PHI ratio with respect to diameter? Again we can create the self-reinforcing effect of waveforms and the frequency transformation.

4. We would need to work out whether or not 1-to-1 ratios for the transformers is necessary or whether or not you can get away with have voltage step-up/step-down by utilizing different turn ratios -- but preserving the PHI ratios where necessary. There essentially are various degrees of freedom here: Number of turns, turn ratios between coils, PHI-ratios for sizes of structures, etc.

5. Creating a circuit for a multi-frequency oscillator with each frequency being a PHI ratio harmonic of each other. Such an oscillator would probably BEST be made with these sorts of coils and there may be something about the magnetic fields interacting this way that is important The BEAT frequencies between these magnetic fields may turn natures key. Certainly human beings appreciate the beauty of PHI, as does nature.

I'm sure some of you creative folks out there can think of other ideas ... but I really really like this because it appears so simple.
It really points to the fact that we need to be reverse-engineering these MYSTERY devices. There can be little "golden" nuggets of truth in their design that although were not effectively communicated by the inventor, never-the-less, are expressed in the invention itself.

Cheers,

Morpher44

[Itsu]

Make sense?

Hmmm, yes that makes sense.
PHI = 1.618033988

Doing it a different way confirms:
When i use the one outer coil with diameter of 50mm that means that the center coil needs to be 50mm x PHI = 80.9mm.
Taking the following values for nbr of turns = 90 and length of coil = 20cm i get:

outer coils 50mm 90t 20cm
center coil 80.9mm 90t 20cm

Calculating the inductance of these air coils with:
Coil Inductance Calculator - 66pacific.com

I get:
outer coils L= 89.6uH
center coil L= 221uH

The 221uH is close to the "outer coil L" x PHI^2 (89.6 x 2.6180) you proposed which is 234.5uH.

Finally calculating the selfresonance with:
CalcTool: RLC or LC circuit calculator

i get:

outer coils Res.= 5316.99Khz (L= 89.6uH / 1 Ohm / 10pF)
center coil Res.= 3385.51Khz (L= 221uH / 1 Ohm / 10pF) (When i use 234.5uH as L, i get 3286.61Khz)

The outer coils resonance should be at 5477.87Khz using the PHI relationship with center coil being 221uH (3385.51Khz), but
when i use L=234.5uH (3286.61Khz) i get 5317.84Khz, which is very close.
I guess the deviations (221 verses 234.4) are to be explained by the (self)capacitance of the coils which is bigger for the center coil

To be complete:

outer coils 50mm 90t 20cm L= 89.6uH Res.= 5316.99Khz (1 Ohm / 10pF)
center coil 80.9mm 90t 20cm L= 221uH Res.= 3385.51Khz or 3286.61Khz when using L=234.5uH (1 Ohm / 10pF)


Regards Itsu

[morpher44]

Waveforms with PHI ratios...

Morpher you said it Wow!!!

The math here is over my head, but physically maintaining the PHI relationship within the coil structures, RINGS!! in my mind as brilliant thinking.

Best of luck with your build, Gene

Gene,

To simplify things a bit.... What Hubbard was simply trying to do, I believe, is create a coil that has a geometry that lends itself to self-oscillations that is self sustaining -- self reinforcing. We know that coil geometry plays a role in what inductance you get and what frequency you will self oscillate. That is well known. We also know that mathematically, PHI has a unique property where wave forms that are related with the PHI harmonic will self re-enforce.

Taking those two KNOWNs, what coil geometry would lend itself to being the most optimum to produce reinforcing oscillations?

What is "brilliant" here is that instead of just thinking about positive feedback using ONE frequency for an oscillator, we have this various powers-of-PHI thing going on here. Harmonics with PHI ratios?

So simple, so elegant. Why didn't I see this before. I've been thinking about this for 3+ years and couldn't see it.

It should be possible to create an oscillator that produces PHI ratio harmonics with this geometry.

[morpher44]

PHI squared

Interesting, so you say that when starting of with only that in mind, you end up with a selfresonance of these coils also in the PHI relation (despite the number of turns (guess you keep them te same), the used spacing/wire and the length of the coils (guess also the same) and thus different inductances)?

Could you tell if the inductance of the different coils also are in the PHI relationship?

Regards Itsu

Calculating inductance can be done using the formula found here:

Inductance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Specifically:
L = u0 * N^2 * A / l

l - length will be the same for the big coils and small coils
N - number of turns -- keep this the same for big and small coils
u0 is a constant 4E-07 * PI (henries/m).

So we are left with A. A will NOT be the same and is calculate
by 2 * PI * (D/2)^2 where D is the diameter.

So we see that the radius are the PHI relation ship, yes, but the
square of the radius maintains the PHI^2 relationship.

Hence the two inductances maintain a ratio of PHI squared.
Make sense?

[Itsu]

I absolutely KNOW -- somehow -- that Hubbard's PHI relationship matters,
so I took care to maintain that relationship between the diameter
of the center core and the 8 smaller cores.
--morpher44

Interesting, so you say that when starting of with only that in mind, you end up with a selfresonance of these coils also in the PHI relation (despite the number of turns (guess you keep them te same), the used spacing/wire and the length of the coils (guess also the same) and thus different inductances)?

Could you tell if the inductance of the different coils also are in the PHI relationship?

Regards Itsu

[gene gene]

Morpher you said it Wow!!!

The math here is over my head, but physically maintaining the PHI relationship within the coil structures, RINGS!! in my mind as brilliant thinking.

Best of luck with your build, Gene

[Dave45]

That awesome Morpher, could we tune in harmonics this way.