radiant energy

[ray stewart]

can anyone show proof that it exists
with a repeatable build it at home devise

[Inquorate]

I can prove that aether exists.

All ya gotta do is obtain one body with the legs in reasonable condition, and cause them to propel the body upwards. The aetheric stream pouring into all matter vortices will cause the body to move back to the more massive body..

[redeagle]

All ya gotta do is obtain one body with the legs in reasonable condition, and cause them to propel the body upwards. The aetheric stream pouring into all matter vortices will cause the body to move back to the more massive body..

Good old gravity only one type of radiant energy.

Another type is heat. Resistance in an electric circuit creates heat. If energy of heat can be released by the flow of electricity it can also be absorbed by it. That is why the gfield generator built by john bedini super cooled the air going through it and did not over heat the coils. He extracted radiant energy in the form of heat. He tells about the 1984 build in the new "energy from the vacuum" part 10 dvd. As well as dos and don'ts of building one your self. I haven't seen the video yet but based on the trailer it may be worth a look for you.

EM is also a type of radiant energy and can be captured several ways. The fact that radiant energy exists isn't the question. The question is how to capture it and make it usable.

[nilrehob]

can anyone show proof that it exists
with a repeatable build it at home devise

Look into this patent by Rosemary Ainslie, it has three interesting examples in it:
(WO/1999/038247) HARNESSING A BACK EMF

Also read her text (the introduction):
A MAGNETIC FIELD MODEL
and another patent by her:
WO/2003/007657

Tell me if You find what You are looking for.

Hob

[SL3]

Partial Spectrogram of Radiant Energy




See also the Stan Deyo thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...stan-deyo.html

Nothing more than your computer microphone jack. Negative wire snipped. Positive wire only. More collector area increases the amplitude of power under the curve. This is basically the same set up as Tesla's insulated aerials. PC is the load / capacitor and is already grounded. Same situation also is present in the old AM crystal radios. Covered plenty in the Stan Deyo thread.

[jibbguy]

The F vs. amplitude FFT of this shows the strongest peak approaching "DC", and a smaller one at around 12kHz. Interesting. Although the y-axis scale needs to be expanded a bit to see whats happening better under 100 Hz, this is not what one would usually expect from artifact electrical "noise" (which will nearly always peak at mains line f 50/60Hz, with harmonics).

But could this just be related to the electrical Frequency Response of the mic with a wire loose? Where the pick-up coil and detached minus lead acts as the RC component of a "low pass", and is filtering nearly all artifact noise F's out? I say this because the A to D circuit has an op-amp'ed front end IC with very little chance of having any "aetheric" detection qualities of it's own, imo. This makes me think about what we might get when there is way too many Ohms of input impedance to an op-amp

The max f response of these audio chips is usually 40kHz; and the max sample rates rarely exceed 500k. A "real" scope would tell us if we get more peaks at higher F's.

[SL3]

Radiant Energy spectroscopy

Hi Jib,

Gotta keep it quick this morning:

1) There was no microphone or coil here. Just shielded microphone jack that was snipped. Two aligator clips on each wire. Ground clip un-used. Signal amplifies much more nicely when not shunting things to ground. All just (+) input straight into the soundcard. Soundcard analysis with the FFT freeware software, Spectrogram. Also does nice sonogram/ waterfalls. Very cheap for you all to experiment with and see for yourselves. Much more interesting in the dynamic and with varying collector plates. Take the insulated wire upward as an aerial and attach a large aluminum collector plate. See what happens. Try doing some absorption spectroscopy with it, too.

2) My old O-Scope needs repair and is buried deep in storage, so I did set this up on the o-scope of a local radio technician open to free energy, but not a believer. I explained to him the old AM crystal radio as an example. Related that analogy to this experimental setup and had him look at all that freely available power under the FFT curve. His O-scope was set in a different band window and unfamiliar to me. I backed off to let him fiddle with it since it was his gear and I wanted him to work through it. He said something like: "Oh, yeah. We normally consider that a noise floor, but, yeah, I see what you mean. I guess you could tap that as free power." As I recall (fuzzy), the same peak intensity was present below 100 Hz. I forget if the 12kHz hump (a harmonic of the peak, I suspect) was there or not. It's been awhile.

Real o-scopes are nice, but there are also many interesting things you can do with PC-based DAQ systems that the old o-scope doesn't. Waterfall, snapshots, datalogging, various computational functions. Takes a little more setup, but you can do the same with a WinDAQ USB setup either run through their software or imported to Matlab, LabView, or MSEXCEL.

This method, however, is dirt cheap for anyone on the forum. Just download Spectrogram, get yourself a microphone jack and strip it, and play with Radiant Energy spectroscopy all you like. You will find interesting things and see the Radiant Energy in motion under various conditions, and that will help you to know it separate from electronic noise. Makes for a nice lecture and demonstration tool, too.

[jibbguy]

I'm afraid the conclusion that this represents "aetheric energy" is very tenuous

There are many factors that may be at work that would give a result like this. For one thing, the algorithms that control the signal processor are designed for audio use, not for signal analysis. It may be designed to ignore transients (signal averaging), and it is my understanding that they often are. They are not meant to be true analysis devices. For another, without a proper impedance-matching load on the op-amp, we are essentially looking at nothing that could be termed "valuable" data. And what happens when A to D systems become saturated with high-F noise, is completely unpredictable and useless for normal analysis. For all we know there is a huge peak at 100 MHz from a local clock that is saturating and skewing the entire result.

However, i would admit that this condition may be the key to seeing such an oddity... Whether it has any significance is the question. I've looked at and analyzed background "noise" thousands of times... Using "real" test and measurement equipment i mean lol... And i can tell you quite positively that it is NOT "aetheric" in nature So anything "unusual" in this would stem from the uniqueness of this arrangement. And as for any "power" harnessing capability... We are talking "micro-milli" or "picoamps" here.

I do agree about LabView, it's a great product and there used to be a free demo of it available. I knew those guys personally as a Reseller in the way-back, and often trained Customers on it (we sold it as part of recording systems with our own acquisition software and hardware). They rock! Great tech support and one of the best products of its type.

But i've said it before (lol and probably will again): I don't recommend using sound-card "scopes"; they are VERY unforgiving when it comes to smoking your motherboard if the input voltage is exceeded, or if the ground lead is accidentally attached to a signal. This is true of ANY of the ones that connect a signal directly to the PC : There are also ones that use the Parallel port with a little dongle, or use the Midi / joy stick port... These should also be avoided imo. You've got to have something of real substance between the power supply Ground of the MB and the signal ground otherwise you are asking for big trouble!

The cheap data acquisition systems with USB "front ends" can be gotten for as little as $250 (includes software and a "lite" version of analysis that will do FFT's), and they protect your PC from accidental over-voltaging. When you get this condition in yer PC, you are lucky if it only kills the sound chip: It often "bounces around", for want of a better term, and takes out RAM chips, processors, video boards, and the MB in general... And all it will take is accidentally touching the wrong lead or brushing up against something for a couple of milliseconds (we are talking NO protection, and NO FORGIVENESS at all here, lol).

So i don't want to say this is definitely "wrong", but this is screaming at me that there is probably another, more "conventional", reason for it.

[ashtweth]

Best way to measure RE is by building a looped device and getting MIB's to your door...you know then you have it and a lot of it!

[David Barclay]

Best way to measure RE is by building a looped device and getting MIB's to your door...you know then you have it and a lot of it!

to you ashtweth

[SL3]

How you can know for sure.

Jib,

1) Get yourself a 6 foot house ladder or find a ledge that height.
2) Construct a piece of aluminum foil of about 1 square foot and tape it
to a board.
3) Attach to that foil the wire from an insulated copper wire and run it down
to your volt meter.
4) Find a suitable ground rod -- preferably within nothing else attached -- or drive one in. Metal structures cemented into the ground such as fence posts, old windmills, or electric fence ground rod also works nicely. Good ground is important.

So now you have the basic Tesla radiant energy collector at smaller scale. Study your voltmeter on and off connection. You'll catch Tesla's radiant energy anywhere from 1/3 to 1 Volt easily. Nothing too high. Nothing that will blow out your volt meter, soundcard input, or PC-based DAQ unless you go way high with the aerial there and widen up the collector. Get yourself an old, junk PC or laptop you don't mind blowing out. Then you'll know the noise from the RE spectra.

Attach a load to that well, and you can perpetually draw energy from the ionosphere/ earth couple like that. Enough to charge batteries at this small scale. This forum has some threads on it. Wire in your "real" spectroscope if you like. Makes no difference. The RE is there.

As for blowing out DAQ, that's true. That's why, for anything you hook up to it, you have to know what kind of volts and amps you'll be dealing with. In most cases, you want to isolate the original source from the DAQ gear. If your PC gear can only handle 10 Volts at full scale while your source signal shoots to 100 Volts, you need to calculate resistance and transformer requirements to make the signal more acceptable to the scale. If the signal is weak, you amplify it before feed in. If too strong, you tone it down some. Objective is not to measure voltage with perfection, but the frequency vs. signal amplitude in such cases. In the experiment outlined above, there's nothing there that will blow out DAQ if careful. To well use DAQ capacities, it's mostly an issue of checking your volts and amps off the source with a multimeter before feeding into the PC systems.

You're right, though, for most the systems on this forum -- Bedini SG's, etc. -- the coil voltage alone will fry your gear if not isolated and transformed. But, for those who lack the o-scopes or want LabView sort of functions, dirt cheap spectroscopy, and data logging, all they need do is get a ferrite, mu, or metglas toroid and wind primary/ secondary windings as they calculate needed while adjusting a potentiometer in series as needed. Drop the volts. Regulate the amps. Read the frequency all the same. I always use scrap PC's that I don't mind melting for such things anyhow. The WinDAQ system is really nice because it's only $25 to $50. Many functions. Great o-scope tools if you avoid frying the gear.

DAQ is not an "unreal" o-scope system. It's just state of the art stuff in everything these days. Allows you to shrink the lab gear and volumes occupied greatly. Very powerful in recording and analysis much more so than the old o-scopes IF you take care not to fry the gear. Still, the o-scopes are quick and easy. Nice to have around. Once you start moving into multiple channel sensor pickups and want portability, nothing beats laptop DAQ. Data logging is the most powerful feature to the whole thing. If you can't freeze your o-scope images, magnify the data, and fiddle with it many times over....very hard to do a good analysis on anything. DAQ is far better than old-style Polaroid screenshots of the scope, though it is interesting what people are doing lately with YouTube videos of o-scope shots. I just like my DAQ stuff and always centralize around it. For those unfamiliar with it, I show them crude soundcard DAQ.

Try the experiment. You'll see the RE. Gotta run.

[SL3]

One more thing

Almost forgot:

Try it on different PC's. Laptop. Desktop. Different ones. That'll eliminate the clock consideration. Try it with the cable plugged and unplugged. I use shielded cable. Be sure to use that.

What you'll see is, yes, some noise with no cable and no alligator clip connections. Cable in and you get some spectra if there is some form of collector plate area. Step up the collector plate area and the amplitude goes up. Attach that alligator clip to different materials, and the spectra will change (absorption spectroscopy). Place your finger to the clip, and the RE that runs through the body is visible. All different spectra. Generally the same shape, but with absorption and transmission spikes visible in different people, different objects, etc. Spectrogram software allows you to switch over to waterfall analysis and sonogram imagery. Often easier to see signature differences like that, too.

Try it also with a piece of quartz attached. Try quartz in various contacts and pressures with the aluminum and you'll find some RE fun there, too! Try heating the quartz and see what happens (but be prepared to fry the PC if heating too much!). Try clipping to the quartz and then seeing what you measure when touching the quartz and when not.