Keppe Motor

[gmeast]

window motor

Hi Greg,

Actually, I just got back from a one month trip to my brothers place in South Carolina, which is where I built the Keppe motor. From there I went to Canton, NY - up on the Northern NY border by Canada to help Rick Friedrich with his Bedini Monopole presentation and workshop for the Bedini Fan motor at the Sustainable Energy Fair at Canton - SUNY, which was a great event BTW, then back home here to Louisiana a couple days ago to unpack all my stuff and start over again. As far as testing, for now I'm just going to believe your numbers and the numbers from the Admin at Keppemotor. The only testing I will do will be on a regular 110V fan that I have here to see if I can duplicate the Admin's findings.
One of my short-term goals is to put together a quick presentation for my EE brother, who seems to have a problem with the whole concept of Radiant Energy and high efficiency. Hopefully, the new Version 3 Keppemotor will fit the bill for this endeavor.

Here is a question; In your estimation, what are the differences and/or similarities between this Keppemotor and the Bedini Window motor? I haven't built a window motor yet, so I don't have that first hand info.

Thanks,
Carl

Hi Carl,

I don't have any experience with the Bedini/Cole window motor. But Peter Lndemann did convey to me that the window motor was NOT and probably could not go COP>1 because of the huge flux leak (absence of core materials). He worked for John Bedini's company for a while and actually measured it ... also stressing that the combined outputs of the SG definitely made the SG COP>1.

That aside, I think the Keppe motor looks the same but the Keppe control theory seems simpler - (Ver 1 = over-simple). When I get the 3.0 Manual I'll know more. BTW I was pleased to see that I was somewhat close with my efficiency estimates.

I wish I could be more help. I just haven't built many of these motors yet ... in the learning curve. You are very lucky to be able to travel and attend those energy events. It's all I can do to afford to get across town.

Greg

[Spearmaster]

Hi Greg,

It sure doesn't hurt any to get Peter's blessing with your results . You mention flux leaks and absence of core material; while I was in Canton, I saw that Rick had a medium sized window motor whose magnets were glued to a hexagonal solid steel machined shaft of approx. three to four inches in diameter (hex) and around six to eight inches in length. He said something about the eddy currents in the steel shaft actually assisting the properties of the magnets. Things were crazy up there, so I'm not sure if I got that right. Is this the core material that you and Peter are talking about? This was not a functioning model, but it is a kit he is putting together for around $600.00, I believe. He also had a window motor device with a sixty-five pound rotor spinning inside a 2' x 2' x 2' steel cage with only a small coil powering it. This was a massive device that he thought would be large enough to power a small house when it's finished.


Later,
Carl

[gmeast]

core

Hi Greg,

It sure doesn't hurt any to get Peter's blessing with your results . You mention flux leaks and absence of core material; while I was in Canton, I saw that Rick had a medium sized window motor whose magnets were glued to a hexagonal solid steel machined shaft of approx. three to four inches in diameter (hex) and around six to eight inches in length. He said something about the eddy currents in the steel shaft actually assisting the properties of the magnets. Things were crazy up there, so I'm not sure if I got that right. Is this the core material that you and Peter are talking about? This was not a functioning model, but it is a kit he is putting together for around $600.00, I believe. He also had a window motor device with a sixty-five pound rotor spinning inside a 2' x 2' x 2' steel cage with only a small coil powering it. This was a massive device that he thought would be large enough to power a small house when it's finished.


Later,
Carl

Hi Carl,

What I think Peter meant was a core like inside the SG motor coil to concentrate the flux to a small area. Also cores like in transformers and other classical motor/armature designs. Now, that is not to say that the shafting you refer to is not serving the same function. The shafting may be in an orientation to 'direct' the the various magnetic fluxes in the machine to be complimentary ... and probably does. It would act different no doubt if that shaft were made of nylon or something else. I believe that is what is meant by "core" or "core material" ... materials like silicon-iron and metglas magnetic alloys, etc.

Greg

[John_Bedini]

Bedini/Cole

To All,
Be very careful to not under estimate the Window motor.
This is just a big rip-off of the window motor. The window motor can and does produce more toque when built right.

This motor is not running on Scalar Energy, as he does not even understand the term. This is a bunch of psycho babble.

The Keppe motor is not bi-polar switching as the window motor is, I think what Peter meant is if the magnets used in the rotor are to strong you will produce counter rotating currents, same as sliding a neo magnet down a piece of aluminum.

The monopole motor can and does drive a load and recovers it's energy, they just can't get around the patent, load the keppe down and watch the current go up. Load the monopole down and the current will go down and the battery will charge faster, that is the difference.
If the recovery takes place it will be my circuit that is doing it from original SG motor to charge a second battery, just ask Peter.

Don't under estimate the Monopole Motor either.
He can't figure how to trigger the Keppe with one transistor but I can tell you how if you want and you can through that reed switch away and your psycho babble motor will really run the way it should, Peter knows, we built them all.
JB

[erfinder]

Off topic

John,

Can you please stop by the "Kromrey Converter" thread and pick up where you were interrupted in the EFTV 10 video.

8:13 into the video you said:

"The problem with the Kromrey patent..."

I believe you were on your way to saying something very important till your train of thought was interrupted. It would be a great help to myself and others contemplating replicating this device if you could shed a little more light on its functioning, and the problems you encountered while back engineering it.


Any and all guidance would be extremely appreciated.

Regards

[Mark]

John Bedini

Thanks for posting John, Its always greatly appreciated to hear from you. Anything else you would like to add to any threads would also be greatly appreciated.

Mark

[John_Bedini]

Ok, what was it that I was saying because I'm having trouble with this board.
John B

John,

Can you please stop by the "Kromrey Converter" thread and pick up where you were interrupted in the EFTV 10 video.

8:13 into the video you said:

"The problem with the Kromrey patent..."

I believe you were on your way to saying something very important till your train of thought was interrupted. It would be a great help to myself and others contemplating replicating this device if you could shed a little more light on its functioning, and the problems you encountered while back engineering it.


Any and all guidance would be extremely appreciated.

Regards

[Mark]

Hello John

I see that Rick has a new video out about your magnetic gate. Have you built a self running all magnetic motor?

Mark

[Peter Lindemann]

I Agree with John

To All,
Be very careful to not under estimate the Window motor.
This is just a big rip-off of the window motor. The window motor can and does produce more toque when built right.

This motor is not running on Scalar Energy, as he does not even understand the term. This is a bunch of psycho babble.

The Keppe motor is not bi-polar switching as the window motor is, I think what Peter meant is if the magnets used in the rotor are to strong you will produce counter rotating currents, same as sliding a neo magnet down a piece of aluminum.

The monopole motor can and does drive a load and recovers it's energy, they just can't get around the patent, load the keppe down and watch the current go up. Load the monopole down and the current will go down and the battery will charge faster, that is the difference.
If the recovery takes place it will be my circuit that is doing it from original SG motor to charge a second battery, just ask Peter.

Don't under estimate the Monopole Motor either.
He can't figure how to trigger the Keppe with one transistor but I can tell you how if you want and you can through that reed switch away and your psycho babble motor will really run the way it should, Peter knows, we built them all.
JB

Hi Guys,

I've tried to stay out of these threads so as not to appear to contradict people. What I have said about John's window motor is that I put one of his models on a small dynamometer at the shop and it produced about 48% mechanical energy. I attribute this low, but respectable mechanical energy production to the open magnetic fields. But this unit was NOT set up at the time to recover any of its electrical energy, which it could do, as John says, using Cole's bi-polar switching and other circuit tricks.

The "secret" to any of these OU effects is found in totaling the combined output of electrical and mechanical energies. I review this information in detail in my DVD Electric Motor Secrets. This is true of the SG motor, the Window Motor, or the Magnetic Attraction Motor. A Window Motor with electrical recovery can easily go COP>1 and produce significant torque.

I have looked at the Keppe Motor designs, and they look surprisingly like John's designs with Spanish Sub-titles! I doubt seriously if there is any original work involved, but I could be wrong.

They say that "plagiarism is the highest form of flattery", but some of us are neither fooled nor amused. John figured all of this stuff out 25 years ago, and finally got around to patenting it about 8 years ago. All of the "knock-offs" have appeared after these dates.

John and I have worked at the same bench for THOUSANDS OF HOURS. We built and tested dozens of machines during that time. If John says "this is the way it is" then you better believe that "I agree with John"!

Peter

[Hoppy]

Hi Guys,


The "secret" to any of these OU effects is found in totaling the combined output of electrical and mechanical energies. I review this information in detail in my DVD Electric Motor Secrets. This is true of the SG motor, the Window Motor, or the Magnetic Attraction Motor. A Window Motor with electrical recovery can easily go COP>1 and produce significant torque.


Peter

Peter

The SG motor balances mechanical with electrical output. Load the shaft and the motor either accelerates or de-accelerates depending on tuning. If it accelerates then the electrical output falls and this can be seen as a reduction in secondary battery charge rate. Its a case of either optimising the mechanical or electrical with one at the expense of the other. Now given that the motor is electrically inneficient due to reactive switching losses, it also cannot operate COP>1 by combination of electrical and mechanical.

Hoppy

[Peter Lindemann]

I Mean No Disrespect

Peter

The SG motor balances mechanical with electrical output. Load the shaft and the motor either accelerates or de-accelerates depending on tuning. If it accelerates then the electrical output falls and this can be seen as a reduction in secondary battery charge rate. Its a case of either optimising the mechanical or electrical with one at the expense of the other. Now given that the motor is electrically inneficient due to reactive switching losses, it also cannot operate COP>1 by combination of electrical and mechanical.

Hoppy

Dear Hoppy,

I'm sure what you have said here makes perfect sense to you, but you, quite literally, have no idea what you are talking about. I have seen SG type machines built by John run for 6 weeks straight by rotating batteries from the charge side to the run side. One such machine ran for about 12 hours on a 12 volt Garden Battery, at which point that battery was traded out with a similar battery that had been charged for the last 12 hours. Four other batteries remained on the charge side while these two Garden Batteries were traded twice a day for 6 weeks straight. The motor was never allowed to stop. When it was finally turned off, all 5 batteries on the charge side were fully charged.

You have never seen this done, nor have you ever replicated these results, so your disbelief is understandable. You are welcome to believe whatever you want, but I have seen John do these things, and I am privileged to relate these facts to you or anyone else who may listen.

Rich Friedrich is about to start marketing a machine that should put these "opinions" to rest. I have already seen one at John's shop.

The machine is NOT a balance between the electrical output and the mechanical output, as you say. It is something much more interesting. Someday you may understand.

Peter

[dambit]

I'm sure what you have said here makes perfect sense to you, but you, quite literally, have no idea what you are talking about.

Absolute classic.

Cheers.

Steve.

[Hoppy]

Dear Hoppy,

I'm sure what you have said here makes perfect sense to you, but you, quite literally, have no idea what you are talking about. I have seen SG type machines built by John run for 6 weeks straight by rotating batteries from the charge side to the run side. One such machine ran for about 12 hours on a 12 volt Garden Battery, at which point that battery was traded out with a similar battery that had been charged for the last 12 hours. Four other batteries remained on the charge side while these two Garden Batteries were traded twice a day for 6 weeks straight. The motor was never allowed to stop. When it was finally turned off, all 5 batteries on the charge side were fully charged.

You have never seen this done, nor have you ever replicated these results, so your disbelief is understandable. You are welcome to believe whatever you want, but I have seen John do these things, and I am privileged to relate these facts to you or anyone else who may listen.

Rich Friedrich is about to start marketing a machine that should put these "opinions" to rest. I have already seen one at John's shop.

The machine is NOT a balance between the electrical output and the mechanical output, as you say. It is something much more interesting. Someday you may understand.

Peter

Peter

I was referring to the SG device itself not being overunity and do appreciate that a system gain is possible in the secondary battery if John's theories are valid. If and when Rick's latest marketing venture does convince enough people that John's claim is valid then maybe we will all have access to free energy at a price. However, I understand enough to know that as yet there is still a long road to travel before the world will be convinced.

Hoppy