CloudSeeder's Gravity Wheel on Fire

[CloudSeeder]

Clockwise, or Counter-Clockwise Rotation?

Note: I'm right-handed so I think in terms of giving a right-handed spin. This produces a counter-clockwise spinning device. I apologize if this causes some a problem. As Protecheqp made mention, they can be reversed as desired later.

[protecheqp]

well its fun anyway ... cloudseeder.... I'm just about ready for my BIG failure.. for over 8 months now I have been working on a pendulum ...... drawing making testing learning .

made a head or bob prototype thought it was ingenious a square bar with a round hole through it a cap at each end and a 1 inch steel ball inside that could travel 3 inches ...and a window so i could see what was going on in it...... great thinking ..... Wellllllllllll we learned a lot from it ......

I never made a pendulum stand just fixed a rod the size of the bearing onto a wood stud on the basement wall ( it worked) for what i wanted

see uploaded picture of it , as you could have seen i had extra config options to work with , but all in all it ended up as a upside down T . aprox 14 inches long

Ok so we test this with out ball inside maybe 30 40 times dropping the pendulum on a horizontal level equal to the pivot point continuiously the pendulum comes up short on the other side 3/16 to 1/4 inch each time .. now this is a 180 degree swing


Ah now we load the ball ...the idea being that the ball as it impacts the head it will increase the force. velocity ............now the head is in a stationary position held up by some light friction at the normal starting point ..ball drops it impacts head ......head breaks away from friction , and proceeds to climb 1 inch higher than the horizontal point through pivot ... great!!!! ...then we learn about 2 falling objects ( tested this about 1000 times lol )..fall at the same speed and I now know its true head drops ball drops but together , no gain going back .. but the ball inside the head did not drop when it went to the other side ah we learn centrifugal force too.. at the same time ...

Conclusion it will work... but the motion should be catch and release on every stroke ... Bamm new idea how the farse do you get any work out of it using a 1 inch steel ball ... well you don't ... scrap ingenious head

Make new unit that will influence a very large swinging weight ....same principal catch and release on each side of the stroke swing .

all most finished it this time its a complete unit 2 feet tall...needless to say I'm not giving it all away yet and how excited was I enough to give up my HHO site to do this ...

[Stealth]

Persistance will pay offf

Keep trying you guys, I just designed a self running water turbine that works off gravity. Theoretically it will work. I think you are close to building a overunity gravity motor. Persistance pays off for those who don't get discouraged. I have built several, and all have failed, but I did learn so much about gravity along the way. Once I get time to put some finishing touches on my design, I will post it for any who want to build it. Good Luck. Stealth

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi cloudseeder, good to see your still working at it. I looked at your motion gif and the motion looks like a male gymnast on high bar. if you have not already, i would study video of people doing the various loops and what not on the high bar and you will see certain moves have similar motions to what your working at. Hope it helps.
peace love light
Tyson

[CloudSeeder]

Male Gymnasts Gravity Wheels on a High Bar?!

Hi folks, Hi cloudseeder, good to see your still working at it. I looked at your motion gif and the motion looks like a male gymnast on high bar. if you have not already, i would study video of people doing the various loops and what not on the high bar and you will see certain moves have similar motions to what your working at. Hope it helps.
peace love light
Tyson

@SkyWatcher Tyson => hahahaha a great suggestion my friend Tyson but as a teenager I watched some of the best gymnasts in the world in the Olympics, so I've already done that homework. Plus Mary Lou Rutan oops Retton. And Scott somebody. They were at the height of their abilities then. I may have to give them some credit thanks to YOU you rat.

@Stealth => Still pumping water eh?? Stainless worked!

@protecheqp => it might work once you figure out some cheat maneuvers to knead into the dough. But Gee, a 1 INCH Steelie?! You're making the job harder but, it's your clock to smash! Have fun. Everybody on Energetics Forum gets their turn with that bat. Your metalwork is Fantastic!

edit: p.s. We didn't have videos back then. We had just gotten tape recorders. With reel to real tape!
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[CloudSeeder]

Gravity Wheels ~ Spirographs? Timing Valves? Living Engines?

Anyone recall that toy where ya put a pen in it and draw the circles? Spirograph I think it was called. Why can't those spirograph circles give us patterns for Gravity Wheels? I don't know for sure whether they can or not but I think they can. One problem is the ball following the circle pattern would stop and then roll backwards at some point... UNLESS => you have placed one-direction "valves" that holds it and prevents rollback.

Rollback loses the distance the ball just gained. It's much the same as heart valves & valves in blood vessels. We couldn't live without valves and a gravity wheel needs valves to live also, or stopper mechanisms that holds the ball for a moment. One major discovery I made with my car engine design I called enginewow was adding such valves.

Valves are more than valves when it comes to engines and gravity wheels. All gravity wheels I've seen here in this forum have been really good designs, and they should've all worked, but after a few spins they lost their sense of Timing. Valves provide a timing mechanism. They tame the wheels, cracking the whip telling them at this point here you do this and at this other point over here wheel you have to do that.

Few engines can work without a timing mechanism. It doesn't have to be exactly like a heart valve, two-sided. It can be a simple hump. I strongly suggest everybody look at their wheel designs again with a view to where one of these simple additions might control the flow.

[mrbreau]

Fwiw

Cloudseeder? I hereby commend you on the vast improvement of tone and sociability over the last year and some. I used to read your posts with great interest though with gritted teeth. Your posts are now a special treat for me.

If I may, I'd like to make a few comments. I have a thorough appreciation for the workings of your mind. Your concept animation is right on in principle though it isn't precisely what Bessler had in mind mechanically, IMHO. The setting and resetting of a pendulum is exactly what Bessler was doing. However; there are at least NINE pendulums in Bessler's system! You should have a copy of John Collins's book "Machine Tractate" to actually understand Bessler. For the cost of the book it isn't worth NOT having on one's bookshelf. Let me give you a couple clues from my investigations of the Bessler wheel.

1. The alternative "A" Bessler used in his drawings has a definite meaning to the Bessler system. I had made a video of my concept of the alternative "A" that Bessler used but scrapped it due to lack of interest.
2. The concept of "ebauche" is also a part of the Bessler system.
3. One of the pendulums has only one function; to set and reset the other eight pendulums.
4. Of the remaining eight pendulums, only five are in play and any given moment. Two are constantly out of play while one is going into play at the same time another is taken out of play. They form a queue.

I hammered at Bessler's wheel for a year and a couple days and was then forced to another task, a legal problem. I had never hammered at any one thing so hard or for so long. I am about to resume my investigations. I really appreciate your works.
Warren
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[CloudSeeder]

Burned out on Bessler's Mind???

Cloudseeder? I hereby commend you on the vast improvement of tone and sociability over the last year and some. I used to read your posts with great interest though with gritted teeth. Your posts are now a special treat for me. /// I have a thorough appreciation for the workings of your mind. Your concept animation is right on in principle though it isn't precisely what Bessler had in mind mechanically, IMHO. The setting and resetting of a pendulum is exactly what Bessler was doing.

I hammered at Bessler's wheel for a year and a couple days and was then forced to another task, a legal problem. I had never hammered at any one thing so hard or for so long. I am about to resume my investigations. I really appreciate your works.
Warren
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Thanks Warren! Bessler was extremely religious so perhaps that gives me an edge to following up on his accomplishments. But it was necessary to throw the idea of making money out with the dishwater. Not that I wouldn't like to have a little right now. If I did I'd buy that book! It sounds very interesting!!! It sounds like you pushed yourself into a serious case of Burn-Out trying that long. What I decided to do was give myself free rein, let my noggin travel where it wanted instead of demanding it solve another man's ideas.

Thanks again for your generous comments! I'm doing much better now, able to get my thoughts together more. As the earlier poster protecheqp mentioned my latest design had a flaw but I had to build it to see how much a flaw it really is so here's a picture of it with the straight rods|flaw =>



That picture is distorted because I don't take pictures very well. In reality it is extremely squared off and mirrored. The device performed exactly as I expected. The rods need to be cut shorter and angled rods added that will allow the sliding weights to cross over into the negative X line. I'll be working on that the next couple days. I've got a bunch other tricks yet to try and better designs, just have to knock em down one at a time as I work my way up to my best designs.

[mrbreau]

The Book

Cloudseeder? I bought the book, digital version, for a lot more than John is charging for it today. Here: Johann Bessler
You can download the book for around eight dollars. If you don't have eight dollars I'll send you eight dollars. Who knows? You might see something I might have over looked! The beauty of the digital book, this one in particular is that you can run computer searches and queries. That is what I did when I first got the book.

There is a ton of information on Bessler on the web and it takes ME lots and lots of time and effort to study it all. A lot of it is redundant but here and there are single lines that aren't any place else. Once you get the book we can have some more to talk about.

I'll tell you something else about the book and the drawings. I was able to duplicate a great number of his drawings from the radius or the diameter of them. What I found interesting was that only a few of he drawings have the same diameter so they are all reproducible from one raidus/diameter. I think there are ten of them. THAT WAS A FUN PROJECT. Be aware that some of the descriptions to the drawings go with other drawings and not the one it is coupled with. Get the book and have some fun.

Warren
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[CloudSeeder]

an exceptionally kind man => Warren is, MrBreau!

MrBreau it does sound fun. I spend money for my health needs not books. I spent $50 yesterday on products to give me the energy I need to produce mine. I have $150 left over til next month's disability check so I'll have to ask my son for some money before that, more than likely. I don't read very fast due to myasthenia gravis of my eyes... so whether you bought it for me or not it still wouldn't get read any time soon.

I'm looking at some adult community apartments where my rent will be $250 below what I pay now. So after I finish my wheel project so close at hand plus get moved, then there will be time to get educated on Johann Bessler!

And I do look forward to it.

You are an exceptionally kind man.

[CloudSeeder]

Gravity Wheel Stampede 2010 !!!

The word has gone out, the

Internet beginning to fill to the full cup it should be.

The Gravity Wheel stampede has begun.

Everyone is rushing to get one.

[john_g]

Hi Cloudseeder / All

Here's the idea I'm working on at the moment - Bessler seem keen on these arrangements. Track with scissor link, running on skate board wheels, weights externally mounted (could be the wheels). There will need to be 8 of these arms? Got a few different ideas about pulling in / pushing out the weights with seperate weighted arms and also look at pairing these arms so as one desends it pulls in the other side, weights move very quickly on the track, so will need some sort of shock absorber(spring) otherwise will get busted apart. Other ideas with this, keep all weights in a sprung inboard/out board position and then push out/pull in at the same rotational position.

[CloudSeeder]

@john_g: That's some truly majestic work. I'm starting on my next design while the J B Weld sets up. I had to choose an arbitrary angle to shoot off the main rod, a Y junction. Then I need to take the handy dandy Lowe's bolt cutters and trim the branches. There's too many rods reaching beyond the doubled nuts.

I have to rig some guides off the wood piece out and down both sides of the moving slide-rod, to keep it in the groove not flopping around. It looks real good right now, but while the weld stuff was setting up I ran out and got some metal tubing the next one needs. I enjoy doing this stuff but my patience is beginning to thin a bit. I'm going all out, easy to do when ya don't have a job.

I'm very hopeful of this one because it's so much better than my "Pelican" design and the Pelican almost went into continuous spin. Our quarry is about to fall... but take your time man, no rush, no stress. We get there when we get there..

[CloudSeeder]

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From Post #451 => The successful Gravity Wheel isn't one that "uses" pendulums it's the one designed so that the entire gravity wheel device IS the pendulum.

Peter was right all along! But
it isn't a physical pendulum; it's a
total weight-shift "Motion Pendulum"
that repeats.

Repeating, Center-of-Balance Same-Direction Over-Balance

Projected Completion Time May 1 2010.
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If it is possible to get balanced correctly... a "half pendulum" swinging away from the axle can be made to happen every 180 degrees of rotation ON THE SAME SIDE => like kick starting a motorcycle over & over. If the weight of the device is kicked hard enough by a lever-magnified force (check)

PLUS

the weight on the opposite side has withdrawn & tucked itself in closer to the axle (check), the inertia (desire to continue spinning) of the total device weight should be able to carry the up-and-coming tucked-in side back to the swing out side and repeat. That is what my current design shown above is attempting to do.

It may fail because I have made the total weight too heavy, but if so that's okay too => I know how to make it a lot lighter next time and then it should work just fine. This one is a first attempt. If I wanted to ~which I DON'T~ I could make a 2nd offset duplicate so that the two unit's 4 falling~sliding weights would only need pull the device 90 degrees. I don't feel a need to do all that, so if it doesn't make it I'll set it aside and make the better design. I want one running by month's end and that's what I intend to do if I have to skip like a rock all over the pond ta get it.

I have no loyalty to any design but the one that works at the end.
When a horse raises its leg up lame it's time for a new horse right then & there.

[CloudSeeder]

Square Rods over Round Rods: Solution to prevent Rod Spin

Just a brief note here. there's an easy solution to stopping the threaded rods from spinning. You can purchase square rod that slips over the round threaded rods and then fill the inside with J B Weld... so that between the guide rod uprights the square rod MUST remain in place. My rig as it stands cannot use this trick. The uprights are not quite far enough apart. Darn good solution for next time. They only need to be shorties, not entire length, according to length of stroke.

edit: I have some spring clips, spread them a bit with pliers to saddle down over the threaded rods. Looks like a better solution than the heavy square rods. We're still in business even better than before! Little dab of JB Weld and keep gettin' up!
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