The Orion Project - Memorandum to President Barack Obama

[Sharyn]

Dr Steven Greer calls for support for new energy solutions in this memorandum to be submitted to President Barack Obama.

"February 13, 2009 - Dr. Steven Greer and Dr. Ted Loder have prepared a comprehensive briefing document on the energy issues which can be printed out and given to your members of congress. Click Here to View or Download the Energy Briefing Document" [PDF File] (Takes a while to open)


The following is a copy of the table of contents included in the submission:
See also more info if you're interested about the Disclosure Project & Dr Steven Greer on this other thread - Dr Steven Greer

Love, Light & Blessings
Sharyn

[Aromaz]

I read, and read again. I was hoping to see something more powerful.
Yet I feel totally confused: Working...proven....do research....need to
develop? There is a red balance sheet here!

Nobody even did proper research! All is like clips from Overunity.com -
dreams. Very narrowly considered. This document even fails to refer to
some devices that were in fact operational AND working - by name, date,
inventor and results.....

Fortunately I am not in USA nor American, so the rest of the world
is fairly free of the problems you have.

However, with what I know and understand, I would not expect
this document to go very far.

1. 80% is based on theories of Dr. Tom Bearden - THEORIES; with all respect.
2. To date, none of these has been achieved nor proven.
3. A call might be made, which will ask for practical proof
- which you can not provide.
4. You are asking for funds - to do RESEARCH and devellopment
- all based on unproven theory.

Unless you can come up with somehting concrete, I do not think
this document will make any impression.

Besides, many of the things you are talking about are already in operation;
but they can not reveal it, or release it into public - for fear of people like
me that is sitting in Thailand. Technology like "COUNTER-gravity", ionic
propulsion (re. Lifter) are already in use for air and space crafts - and fairly
public knowledge!

As Investor, I can guarantee you this will not go off as investment;
way out too vague. You give a budget, but no business plan?

Anyway, as I said, I am not American, so who knows; you might be lucky.

I prepared an eleven hour presentation to my investors;
and even me alone has plenty more facts presented there.

Personal advice: Make a video presentation, cut it to be less than 20 minutes.
And use FACTS, demonstrations. Forget about the numbers, that can come
much later. Get the attention first, open your door.

A video presentation is worth a trillion words.

As for Pres. Obama - I have great respect for him and I do think he has
all the potential of being your best President ever. AND he is very intelligent,
way out more than all your other politicians. He knows how to play the ball
game there - not by learning from others; but by his own instinct.

[Xenomorph]

Barack Obama and his administration lied about pretty much every point that they promised. His unparalleled lobbyistic cabinet is pro oil, doubtful that they really care for alternatives to oil or will even read it. However it is an APPRECIABLE effort, better than doing nothing really. Respect for the work put in!
I haven`t read it yet, so i cant speak for its content.

[patmac]

We need stop the myth first...

Aromaz

Yes, it's truth in hand of open source researchers there is no system totally OU. USEFULL TO POWER A HOME PARTIALLY AT LEAST.

There are many myth on the net:

When I started to investigate about new energy, first I get confused so much, because there is so much information over optimistic about this systems, then you begin to build some devices and our results are poors, but when you understand where from this energy, and how works, was when I begun to think.... The real OU on Radiant Energy for example is obtained by transform this energy to another energy, for example Bedini SG basic is underunity, about COP 0.3 (electrical COP), but when I charge a capacitor is overunity so this explained correctly by Bearden on his book Final Secrets of Free Energy...

You're right... On your thread you explain us to replicate Tesla effects is necessary many devices built on that years. Like the big High Voltage Capacitors.

In that book Bearden clearify about the collector, basically can be Iron 2% Al, a special Coil or a Capacitor, but capacitor for example is super rigid plates (like Tesla built??), this capacitor is charged by the potential without draw current from the source. You can test many capacitors, for example commercial photo flash capacitor shows a little this effect. Polyester caps are better.

Now, we need test all Bearden's theories first, for example we can get resources to get the way to produce the collector Iron 2% Al, if this don't work then Bearden has many that explain us. Then We need money from the governement for try this theory and idea from Bearden?

Second important question, MEG really works?, What produces really the power on the MEG?, Permanent Magnet?, A Field, by perfect construction and good quality core?. Or, MEG produces this energy by transducing radiant energy on negative resistor?.

On Jl Naudin Labs, Naudin describes a strange carbon resistor 200K, burned with High Voltage Spikes, and explain how this resistor work like a Negative Resistor.

Bearden has been hidden us something about practical OU devices?

Really Bedini has replicated Ed Gray Motor and this Motor is really OU? Mechanically at least?.

What about permanent magnet motors?, with symmetrical magnets is near to impossible build a motor maybe a Wankel motor. Now, Bearden speaks about asymmetrical permanent magnets, with this magnets our childs can build motor in the school.

Is possible produce assymetrical magnets with floyd sweet methods?, Bearden speaks about the Floyd Sweet Vaccum Triode, he says that this device make Ice only with short out the wires on output, COP about 1500000. Appearently, the MRA PDF from Panacea, Ash explains how get COP 8 with the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier, this device seems VTA, because magnet is conditionned too. My question is with this magnet condtioning method we can produce asymmetric permanent magnets?.

That's all folks.

[Ted Ewert]

If Greer really has some working technology, why doesn't he open source it? If he let people replicate the devices, it would add credibility to his organization and might also help to improve the technology. This would not violate patent or copyright protections either.
I thoroughly support the idea of the Orion Project, but there is something about Greer that doesn't quite set right with me.

Ted

[h20power]

I feel the same way you do. But more importantly on this very site I have given all the need to know information on getting Stanley Meyer patent up and going. I have given the key to the technology, shown the math if where the energy is truly coming from, and it seems like no one in the world cares.

People talk about off topic stuff and not the content of what has been given to them as a gift. I didn't ask for anything or charge anyone for a glimps of the key to Stanley Meyer's technology. I just did the right thing and gave the technology away for free. The patent has expired, so anyone can now make Stanley Meyer technology work. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post37266 Here it is for the whole world to have the answer everyone has been looking for in Stanley Meyer's work.


h2opower.

I read, and read again. I was hoping to see something more powerful.
Yet I feel totally confused: Working...proven....do research....need to
develop? There is a red balance sheet here!

Nobody even did proper research! All is like clips from Overunity.com -
dreams. Very narrowly considered. This document even fails to refer to
some devices that were in fact operational AND working - by name, date,
inventor and results.....

Fortunately I am not in USA nor American, so the rest of the world
is fairly free of the problems you have.

However, with what I know and understand, I would not expect
this document to go very far.

1. 80% is based on theories of Dr. Tom Bearden - THEORIES; with all respect.
2. To date, none of these has been achieved nor proven.
3. A call might be made, which will ask for practical proof
- which you can not provide.
4. You are asking for funds - to do RESEARCH and devellopment
- all based on unproven theory.

Unless you can come up with somehting concrete, I do not think
this document will make any impression.

Besides, many of the things you are talking about are already in operation;
but they can not reveal it, or release it into public - for fear of people like
me that is sitting in Thailand. Technology like "COUNTER-gravity", ionic
propulsion (re. Lifter) are already in use for air and space crafts - and fairly
public knowledge!

As Investor, I can guarantee you this will not go off as investment;
way out too vague. You give a budget, but no business plan?

Anyway, as I said, I am not American, so who knows; you might be lucky.

I prepared an eleven hour presentation to my investors;
and even me alone has plenty more facts presented there.

Personal advice: Make a video presentation, cut it to be less than 20 minutes.
And use FACTS, demonstrations. Forget about the numbers, that can come
much later. Get the attention first, open your door.

A video presentation is worth a trillion words.

As for Pres. Obama - I have great respect for him and I do think he has
all the potential of being your best President ever. AND he is very intelligent,
way out more than all your other politicians. He knows how to play the ball
game there - not by learning from others; but by his own instinct.

[sucahyo]

Unfortunately, I have to agree that the document is not convincing enough. There are so many thing that could be added. If some one read it, there is nothing he can learn for practical application. I wish it would at least at the level of Panacea document. It do not have to have many example but a practical example of what can be done.

I think many open source "free energy" already achieve much better efficiency than current industries technology. I think what we currently have/build is what need to be pushed. Why pursuing "overunity" while a much efficient technology is not even accepted yet. I think proposing a factory for geet device, hydroxy, radiant lighter, rotoverter, transverter or any efficiently working device should be much better.


President Barack Obama is a clever man, if he is interested, he may help development of "overunity" device without upsetting the industry. But first make the document more convincing.

[Aromaz]

The big problem with TB's work is just that it is all in theory. What he
exactly means by the "Iron 2%Al" even me as metalurgical educated can not
understand - at least not why he consider it critical; and more so, why he
did not do it for experiments. After all a 1Kg sample alloy will cost less than
US$10 and very easy to make, even with molecular bonding. Except for the
MEG, Tom Bearden never did any experimental work.

MEG - to the best of my know; never worked yet. It has been on the "brink
of a breakthrough" for few years now; as is with almost all other devices.

Yes, it is very possible to produce asymetrical magnets - earth and electrical,
BUT the magnetic field will still be symetric. There is only one way to get an
asymetrical flux field and that is with opposing high RPM rotation force.

As for Floyd Sweet and his VT- that is one of the highest potential devices
to make, though extreme little info is availabe. In fact if you exclude the
Gamma radiating minerals, the Sweet VT and Methernita Testatica are the
only devices that has real potential for "free energy" or potential for OU.

The idea is there. I do think that John Bedini know how to do the
conditioning of the magnets; but that is such a potentially high risk
concept that I do also understand IF he know, WHY he would not share it
publically. And that is not due to suppression.

In both these cases, it seems that the secret does lie in the conditioning
of the magnets; to make them self oscillate. If you can do that, then you
will have 100% OU and unlimited electricity. On the other hand, after reading
some persoanl reviews of the Testatica 'magic' I do suspect more and more
that something like Radium or Polonium might be the key role player there.

[Aromaz]

I...... more importantly on this very site I have given all the need to know information on getting Stanley Meyer patent up and going... I just did the right thing and gave the technology away for free......

Did you actually build the contraption? That is the only true proof. I have
never seen another presentation of this fuel cell. I have seen and I have
been interested; actually mesmerized is a better word. I did try some of the
concepts in experiments, and so did many other people - all just to fail.

"In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom
he had sold dealerships........Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered
a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed."
Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[sigzidfit]

The Powers That Be are well aware of the methods and apparatus that would free mankind from material bondage.

It is naive to think that the handlers and controllers of this world have the good will free their slaves.

Your leaders are in position to maintain the status quo. This is nothing new. It is the history of civilization.

Politicians, businessmen, and religious leaders are not going to help you.

As for Mr. Obama, like everyone, he will get a chance to do the right thing. Let us pray that he has the courage to do it.

Wake up. Be The Change.

[h20power]

Did you actually build the contraption? That is the only true proof. I have
never seen another presentation of this fuel cell. I have seen and I have
been interested; actually mesmerized is a better word. I did try some of the
concepts in experiments, and so did many other people - all just to fail.

"In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom
he had sold dealerships........Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered
a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed."
Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just go over the math I presented for Stanley Meyer's technology is not what everyone thinks it is. There is no magic, no energy from the vacuum, no zero point energy, just plan old science. The reaction is simple, atomized water mist that is given a positive charge, ionized air gases, and recirculated exhuast gases, and that is it. Took me some time to figure it all out and belive me Stanley Meyer didn't make it easy. For the most part what I have done is give proof of concept. I brought science back in the game and show'd just where all the energy was coming from. Everyone has been focusing on the Water Fuel Capacitor(WFC), when that is not the true source of power. In the end Stanley Meyer himself got rid of the WFC. But it became too simple so Meyer started missleading everyone, for the most part he let the na sayers tell how they thought it might work and went along with them.

The math I shown is something you can sink your teeth into for it is real, and if you were in college testable. I ask you to read the whole post and remember I was learning more about it as I progressed. No one the world over has ever explained the works of Stanley Meyer the way I did, with real science, and no made up terms designed to stop people from thinking like zero point energy. It is mostly just chemistry for the most part, take the time to go over all that I shared with everyone, and you will see that energy independence is now ours for the taking.

If you go over the court trial papers you will see Stanley Meyer was rail roaded and it was anything but a fare trail.


h2opower.

[future pather]

Barack Obama and his administration lied about pretty much every point that they promised.

Could you be more specific? This statement seems very far from the reality I live in and I'm trying to understand what you mean.


Jessica

[jibbguy]

The Day Has Arrived

I think that whatever Greer is missing or under- or over-stating in his letter (...depending on our individual viewpoints), that the effort is very worthy and should be emulated.

Let's be very clear about something: THERE IS enough data to merit much more major university research into these technologies... THIS IS ALL WE ARE ASKING!! At the very least; they would then be debunked and we can move on to other technologies.

But imo the reason they are not being studied... Is because they CANNOT be debunked. If they could, the oil companies themselves would have spent the cash for the studies; just to stop the urban legends and rumors.

Just because you havn't heard about something in the corporate-owned mainstream media, does not mean it doesn't exist, lol.... If you don't believe me, google "Sibel Edmonds" and see just one of hundreds of subjects that are completely ignored by the US MSM. Take the "red pill"....

The reason we yet do not have many good working replications is because of greed. Whenever these inventors have a Eureka moment, the first thing they do is make the same old mistakes: Over-sell to investors, keep everything secret, go for patents..... Do all the things that make it easy to stop.

We've got to change the paradigm: To Open Source, and break into the mainstream with open knowledge that can be easily transmitted... Until the number of people aware of these technologies reaches the Tipping Point: When it can no longer be ignored or suppressed.

This is our challenge. We can disagree on which technologies will work out best in the long run, we can disagree on the theory behind them. But we need to get down to business and MAKE MAIN-STREAM FREE ENERGY RESEARCH HAPPEN.

I myself am writing the Obama administration (hardcopy "snail-mail" is always best, btw), and would urge all of us here who believe in the viability of these technologies to do the same. We CAN make a differance... Because the writing is on the wall: Pandora's box is open, and these things are going to come out some day. We need to show them that the day has arrived.

[Sharyn]

The Bigger Picture

I think that whatever Greer is missing or under- or over-stating in his letter (...depending on our individual viewpoints), that the effort is very worthy and should be emulated. ..............

But we need to get down to business and MAKE MAIN-STREAM FREE ENERGY RESEARCH HAPPEN.

I myself am writing the Obama administration (hardcopy "snail-mail" is always best, btw), and would urge all of us here who believe in the viability of these technologies to do the same. We CAN make a difference

I totally agree with you Jibbguy, glad that you see the bigger picture. I don't live in the US so I can't contribute by writing a letter. All I can do is bring attention to any person /thing that I discover that I think might be worthwhile to advance the cause of free energy by posting it here & in another forum that I belong to, in the hope that the information may be useful to some people.

I don't pretend to have any knowledge of the great amount of work that all you guys here are doing in the various energy technologies so forgive me if I pop into this forum from time to time & post info that you are all already aware of.



Steven Greer is presenting a number of shows on The World Puja Network . They are free to listen to but you need to register first at the bottom of the page.

The following summary is about the February 13th show he completed last week which ties in with the above briefing submitted & is useful to get the overall perspective of what he is trying to achieve - the advancement & funding of Free Energy.

DR. STEVEN GREER & DR. TED LODER

Energy Update

• Update on the Orion Project inventors
• Opportunities to work with the Obama Administration - a discussion of the TOP perspective and the Obama Administration perspective regarding zero-point energy and the energy issues facing the world.

The following videos are also available on Youtube about the Orion Project:

Introducing the Orion Project

The Orion Project - About the Scientists

The Breakthrough Campaign

The Transition

The Suppression


Love, Light & Blessings,
Sharyn

[Ted Ewert]

The big problem with TB's work is just that it is all in theory. What he
exactly means by the "Iron 2%Al" even me as metalurgical educated can not
understand - at least not why he consider it critical; and more so, why he
did not do it for experiments. After all a 1Kg sample alloy will cost less than
US$10 and very easy to make, even with molecular bonding. Except for the
MEG, Tom Bearden never did any experimental work.

MEG - to the best of my know; never worked yet. It has been on the "brink
of a breakthrough" for few years now; as is with almost all other devices...

I've read a lot of Bearden's stuff, and while it all sounds swell, there's very little practical information included. Theory is fine, but it's the translating it into physical reality that's the hard part.
I've been working on a MEG for 3 or 4 months now. I've tried all kinds of different configurations, none of which work worth beans. There are some fundamental problems (core saturation levels) that are difficult to get beyond.
This is not to say that I don't think it can work, far from it. If I had a fully equipped university lab, I could probably crack this nut in a few months. Or, if Bearden would share his research instead of his theories, I could comb through what he found out and save myself a lot of time and headaches.
Unfortunately he, like most inventors, keeps his research proprietary as a condition of his investors. His MEG will probably languish in obscurity until he passes away and his consortium all go their separate ways. That's what usually happens anyway.
I wish I had more time to build and experiment. Working for a living and raising a family doesn't leave nearly enough shop time to pursue all the interesting projects that need to be studied. I build every day, but even that's not enough. I would love to start on a Bessler / Lindemann wheel tomorrow!
If anyone out there is working on a MEG and would like to compare notes, send me a PM.

Cheers,

Ted