The Mechanical Engine

[Inquorate]

My kingdom for a horse..

for want of a nail, a horse shoe. For the want of a horse shoe, a horse. For the want of a horse, a knight. For want of a knight, the line. For want of the line, the battle. For want of the battle, the war...

I've run out of quick-dry glue; taking hours now to try each adjustment..

The ratchets slowed the pendulum down; after catching the pendulum each ratchets tooth holds the pendulum IN for a brief moment. It's more effective to have the pendulum swing out past the latch and come back for a single impact.

I'm now glueing a sideways - displaced latch, as vertical displaced latch on the other side of the arm had too much give; I sawed off the extra teeth but the catch was too soft and the impact nowhere near as effective.

I also have a little mechanism to damp the pendulum's swing before it impacts the eccentric wheel, as that impact creates counter-torque.

And I've shortened the pendulum where it traverses the eccentric wheel, to reduce the 'cost' of holding back the pendulum..

From here it's a balancing act.. I still have to find an effective flywheel weight for the lever.

Love and light

[Stealth]

Inquorate,Yes, that was just a suggestion, but it may slow down the wheel just enough to make it work. I hope it does. It should also cause it to rock back and forth more affecting the momentum. Good Luck. Stealth

[marxist]

Hi Inquorate,

......the wheel turning faster will have more centrifugal force, and i was thinking this would overcome what you are talking about by virtue of swinging the pendulum out faster.

I understand and also don't know which of the two effects will be more important and outweigh the other.
Maybe there is a critical speed of the wheel below which ... (don't know)
and above which centrifugal force will take over, as you hope.
I don't know.
It's as you say:

...experiment will determine the end result.

[Inquorate]

counterweight

@ stealth - you mean a weight on top of the pendulum as well as below it?

// also, i need to find a weight from a bench press exercise thing. that'll go on the axle as a flywheel to maximise inertia. at the moment the lever weighs less than each pendulum.

tnx for the feedback

[Stealth]

Thanks for the update. I think you may be close to solving your problems. If you put a counterweight on the arm,would it slow down the pendulum swing enough, without hurting your momentum too much? It may help or it may be counter productive. Just a thought. I've read about Besslers gravity wheel, but like everyone else, no one knows how it worked. It may have been fairly simple, but my guess is it was a complicated piece of engineering. Good Luck. Stealth

[Inquorate]

Couldn't resist having a play before work:

The pendulum swings out and overshoots the latch, then swings back in again and impacts on the latch: clockwise torque.

Then, because the pendulums are too long now there is an unwanted impact at 6o'clock: anti-clockwise torque

Which puts the pendulum into a swing, so that at the eccentric wheel there is another large impact: anti-clockwise torque.

At both of those unwanted events, the wheel visibly slows. But speeds up again at the wanted events..

when I get home, I'll shorten the length of flanges on the ends of the pendulums, and extend them to the left side more.

Also, I'll make the latches into the ratchets they should be.

All trial and error.

Ps it made 3 complete revolutions as is

@ marxist

"Please consider that the pendulum will have a natural speed of swing, after going over the bump (=little wheel at 12 o' clock). To me it seems as if you will have to slow down the wheel to a relatively low speed so that the pendulum can fly out and get latched in the ratchet-latch. While the pendulum flies out, the wheel should turn relatively slowly, so that you can harvest the overbalance/overweight after the out-swing of the pendulum.
If the wheel turns too far (=too fast) during the pendulum swing, the pendulum will have not enough time to fly far out."

the wheel turning faster will have more centrifugal force, and i was thinking this would overcome what you are talking about by virtue of swinging the pendulum out faster. experiment will determine the end result.

i'm a little scared that it will work


Love and light

[Inquorate]

Marxist's reply

Thankyou for your reply. I like your conclusion that the eccentric wheel should be before 12o'clock, because it needs to be there for the pendulum to fall off it :-)

I'll take a look at your links on the train to work.

Thanks again

[marxist]

Inquorate's latest video

YouTube - what I hope happens once the glue dries and the clamps come off

Hi Inquorate
I like it. I think you are homing in. It's great to see you not giving up.
I always liked the particular technical approach you are now following again; see my old posting

http://www.energeticforum.com/50870-post273.html

Please consider that the pendulum will have a natural speed of swing, after going over the bump (=little wheel at 12 o' clock). To me it seems as if you will have to slow down the wheel to a relatively low speed so that the pendulum can fly out and get latched in the ratchet-latch. While the pendulum flies out, the wheel should turn relatively slowly, so that you can harvest the overbalance/overweight after the out-swing of the pendulum.
If the wheel turns too far (=too fast) during the pendulum swing, the pendulum will have not enough time to fly far out.

Far out.
High hopes again, this side.

edit: PS suggested reading
this posting at overunity.com
and
this posting at overunity.com

In my opinion these postings by i_ron describe the effect you are trying to utilize - you described the same in your early videos (=using the increased weight of the pendulum to do work - increased weight which is available in the pivot point during the down-swing).
And more additions:
The fact that the pendulum is lighter during its upswing would make it imperative that the pendulum's swing out/up should start while its pivot is still on the left side of the wheel - in a CW-turning wheel - in order to make this side "lighter".
That would imply that the bump should not be at 12 o' clock but before. But I must think more about that.

[Inquorate]

One last demo before bed

YouTube - what I hope happens once the glue dries and the clamps come off

[Inquorate]

More changes of plan and intended improvements

YouTube - more updates and intended improvements

Comments welcomed.

Love and light

[Inquorate]

Update

Ok, so here's an update..

YouTube - thrown pendulum weight latched experiment build update

What I didn't mention in the video is that preliminary tests seem to indicate that when the anti-clockwise rotating pendulum impacts at 12o'clock, the anti-clockwise torque seems to ignore the vertical lever, and throws the pendulum at 6o'clock backwards, pulling the lever with it... Then when the top pendulum releases, the bottom one is 'weightless' at the apex of it's swing. Then while the top pendulum is latched in the outer position, the bottom pendulum is moving towards the lever's fulcrum.

Love and light

[Ted Ewert]

Is anyone out there building or pursuing the motor idea Peter started. If so, how about an update on your progress. I am currently too busy to start one, but would like to know of any progress anyone has on it. Theory, feasibility, factual operation, etc. Good Luck. Stealth

I got as far as determining that a fairly sensitive breaking system is required to slow the wheel enough so that the pendulums can return far enough to be caught. The problem is the fulcrum moving in such a manner that the weight doesn't return nearly far enough to be recovered. When the fulcrum moves too much, either laterally or vertically, it quickly destroys the pendulum's arc. The wheel would have to be moving fairly slowly so that little energy is bled from the pendulum.
I ran out of patience to pursue it any further. While it would have been fun to get it working, it ultimately wouldn't be practical for energy generation.
However, I'm using some of the same principals in my water turbine so we'll see how it pans out.

Ted

[Stealth]

Is anyone out there building or pursuing the motor idea Peter started. If so, how about an update on your progress. I am currently too busy to start one, but would like to know of any progress anyone has on it. Theory, feasibility, factual operation, etc. Good Luck. Stealth

[Aaron]

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[Joit]

Let's all ignore inflammatory and spamming posts. It would be for the best.

Maybe the best would be, someone remove all Posts from Cloudseeker in this Thread here.

Its only his onemanshow, and it start to be offend, and has nothing to do anymore with this Thread.

Cloudseeker let me guess, if I understand what you say.
You say "Please someone remove me from this Board,
because noone post at my Thread anymore, and now i go mess around at another Thread to get Attention" ??