The Mechanical Engine

[Mark]

Hi Mike

Interesting design. The one difficulty I see is how to get the mechanism to return to its starting point without causing to much counter force, friction or energy loss. If this can be accomplished than the next question will be can it do it fast enough to be ready for the next action. Hope you can get it to work!

[Mark]

Hey Mike, I just noticed your weight at the bottom of your lever but I think you may need to have the lever close to a 90 degree angle so it will return back to its starting point, and move your bottom pulley up higher.

[marxist]

Hi Mike,
thanks for your explanation.
I now understand that your last sketch from #452 was just showing the new solution for what was previously your 'lower cam' .
I did not understand that the 'top cam guide' would be still in place as it was not in the drawing any more.

In case you ever decide to make a sketch of all the components together, I am sure everyone is looking forward to see it.

Your new concept of the pendulum at the lower right, which - when not loaded by a spoke and wheel - should be in a pick-up-position and then under load should push the weight towards the hub is interesting.

.... At the bottom,5-6 o´clock, there is a double ended pendulum, the top of which is shaped to take the outer weight wheels as they pass by. ...

Or you could have a little rod extending from the center of the weight and shape the pendulum to pick up that rod.

...The action of this pendulum lever is such that it raises the wheel and so also its opposite pair...

Yes, the main trick you will have to pull, is to make a pendulum that when loaded with the weight will push this weight upward.
I hope you can make it work.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Weight at pendulum is important

Hey Mike, I just noticed your weight at the bottom of your lever but I think you may need to have the lever close to a 90 degree angle so it will return back to its starting point, and move your bottom pulley up higher.

Hi Mark
The energy to raise the spoke comes from the load at the bottom of the pendulum, it should be more than the combined weight of the spoke and weight and its counter part which is coming up to 12 o´clock, in fact the more the better and excess is not a problem as it works like a pendulum. When it picks up on the right there will be two forces, one the weight at the pendulum and two the momentum as the whole system moves in a clockwise movement. When it is giving up the wheel at just before 6 o´clock the weight is on the other side of the pendulum movement and as the wheel weights are WHEELS there will be a kick back as it leaves the cam. This is because I want it to lift just a tiny bit more than is needed an as so will put a back pressure as the wheel leaves the edge of the cam

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Timing will be important

@all

The position of the pivot and the length of the pendulum will be very important so as to pick up and later release at the right place, the timing will be another thing, I think trial and error or may be it will time itself if the hole thing is started at the pick up point we will see, it is nearly finished but my problem is at the moment finding time as the wife keeps finding me things to do, thats the problem when I can do just about anything

Mike

[Mark]

I guess we wont know till you give it a spin, good luck!

[CloudSeeder]

Now if they had just had smack plates in 1983...



Hmm, 26 years, one for every 1,000 since the last big Earth devastation.

[john_g]

Hi All

I was playing/disassembling my beam wheel yesterday and noticed an effect that may be of use. We all like definite movements, ie swing from left to right, weight dropping from A to B.

I noticed on my beam in a balanced position that a weight quickly offloaded (flicked up) and returned under its own weight and then re-bounding a few times, reduced the moment on that side and caused rotation. I appreciate that by lifting the weight the 'wheel' will overbalance however, it struck me with the damping re-bound that there is something there.

I will look into this more, but I have a gut feeling that fixed arms on the downward side and a mechanism of the advancing side that allows "bouncing" (no tiger here!) may provide an advantage.

[CloudSeeder]

I should have mentioned the picture was from the movie Krull, 1983. My apologies.

[CloudSeeder]

Making Money from Gravity Wheels

@All: It looks like Dr. Lindemann has come up with a way to make some bucks selling an e-Book => http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=4112 <> I did not know it would be acceptable to do selling on this Forum. I take it then that it is. My congratulations to Dr. Lindemann for scaling the wall.

[sucahyo]

This link give some opinion on Bessler wheel with some observation from remote viewing session. Maybe anyone can decrypt the text.
evert rotor tech

Example:

An other viewer described energy as bounded to air/height, ´like wind floats and glides´, seconds-fast (realtime), like slow motion for me (other time) and movement coming from upside on the other hand circled, can go through stone.

He describes also motion of falling left side form upside, stop, some ´airy´, sloped diving in.. And once again: movement from upside with following circled motion, however not falling down, but dipping into some soft, what is not stone floor, hard earth. And once again: some rounded, sitting down, as if not weighting.

[CloudSeeder]

@Sucahyo: That page is obviously a poor translation from another language. It is a difficult read, for me anyway, but I did glean one concept. He claims Bessler had deliberately placed lags in his system to keep momentum going. This only makes sense => any gravity wheel is a staged device, much like an Ultimate Clock. A clock of Bessler's day was a physical modulation device but a gravity wheel goes further => has to set up an over-modulation between Potential and Kinetic Energy. So Bessler by accenting/increasing staged instances of Potential Energy knew exactly what he was doing, because in doing that he was introducing a fluctuation wave inside the gravity wheel's motion that he hoped would explode into a crescendo to excess.

Gravity Wheel = a Circular Escalator

But whereas a clock internalizes its energy, a gravity wheel is being constructed to explode energy outward outside the wheel, externalized. Bessler undoubtedly hoped that by introducing a strong enough instance of Potential (negative swing) the wheel would react (Action-Reaction) with a strong enough Kinetic explosion to take some outside the confines of the clock er wheel.

Simply put,
it is like pushing a child so hard on a swing the child goes flying off (which is what
the child wanted anyway but also the objective of gravity wheels).

In our "modern" way of thinking we tend to think in terms of centrifugal advance used in a car engine's distributor, so we are always thinking about how to introduce just the right advance mechanism to make our gravity wheel devices work. Bessler was not so confined. He was playing both sides of the table. Bessler knew: you have to lose to win. You have to give up a card to get a better card. Gravity Wheels are an attempt at causing an upward spiral of such escalating tradeoffs til finally it coughs energy. Gravity Wheels are seeking disharmony but to onlookers watching them they will see harmony. And they are! They are -or will be- harmonious disharmony:

CONTROLLED CHAOS HAVING A BRIDLE IN ITS MOUTH.
SPROING, JUST AT REGULAR INTERVALS.

And all of the above is why achieving Gravity Wheel success is a glorious goal.
The devices that work will be -in effect- extracting energy from potential energy.
....

[Inquorate]

Areas of gain and reduced costs

YouTube - pendulum and lever energy gain ideas

@ Sucahyo - thanks for the link. The comments about 4 jerking movements from the drive/flywheel, and a sluggish 'T' shaped pendulum were very interesting especially when taken in context with my video.

Love and light

[CloudSeeder]

Talking in Circles

Sometimes making statements sound at first like they make really great sense, then later you ask Did I write that? Trying to explain a gravity wheel "goal line" is a unique endeavor =>

And all of the above is why achieving Gravity Wheel success is a glorious goal.
The devices that work will be -in effect- extracting energy from potential energy.

Perhaps it would be better: "extracting motion from non-moving potential". And even that falls short. Potential is doing Work while still in its do-nothing potential state is a unique and orchestrated event that does not happen in its natural state.

It's like trying to define a miracle. Anyway, after 300 years everybody knows it's hard to explain.

[Inquorate]

Another idea

The pendulum swinging out could impact a stationary spring; downward force.

It could then be held 'out' by a latch; downward force.

The other pendulum could pull a string that pulls the opposite pendulum toward the lever's fulcrum; upwards force on opposite side.

That string pulling mechanism could have a spring on it... The latch releases the outstretched pendulum which swings back in and hits the spring; downward force

When the lever arm is vertical, the lower pendulum touches the ground and is rendered 'weighless'; upwards force...

This really should work