Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group

[Joit]

@sucahyo
The Bedini circuit usual use one Coil at the negative Side.
The Point at a Circuit is, all Sums need to be at last Zero. that why you put a Resistor for a Coil.
But maybe thats the fault, maybe we should use the other side of the Might.

@Rest. Anyhow i dont know, its a Research here,
but all wanna give some Links, (wich are even very good one=) where others had a running System or explain something.
Hows about, you all put Your Theorie in, with your own Words

[Aromaz]

Aromaz and all. I would highly suggest looking at Gray's Static Generator. There is not much information available on it, but I can tell you one thing certainly basic principles of it rely on principles of Gray's motor.

My dear friend, EVGray is EVGray and there are 100's plus people duplicating and trying; probably with much more knowledge than all in Energetic forum together - yet they all failed to date. Plus there are a number of forums and websites dedicated to EVGray. Same as with so many other experiments.

For me; those made interesting reading;
and when applicable we copy to observe how it can fit or expand on our own.
There are many more experiments not in the lime light; even from Tesla. Those we need to duplicate so we can learn.

But the ultimate purpose is to create our own,
for only ORIGINAL WORK stand a change to win the price.

@Joit and @mlurye; we do need more experimenters
- away from the those you can find on so many other forums.
Original work; and that original works need new understanding;
which is new application of current theories and ultimately:
to develop new theories which will then be backed by new experiments.

THUS: I would prefer to see this thread to continue with that in mind:
To create new - rather than to copy,
To help and support each other in walking the new road,

I do not want Disciples, neither Disciples from other people.

Therfor to date, though it is a very small working group,
I am VERY happy with people here that are doing their own things
and then share it back so we all can learn, contribute and theorize.

A good mix is:
OLD THEORY - one pot full,
NEW THEORY - one spade full,
EXPERIMENTS - one bag full,
NEW UNDERSTANDING - one truck full.

[mlurye]

Aromaz,
I'm not suggesting you or any other to build Gray's motor. And if about static generator based on my understanding it is directly related to what are you researching here.

[Aromaz]

Aromaz,
I'm not suggesting you or any other to build Gray's motor. And if about static generator based on my understanding it is directly related to what are you researching here.

Thanks Mike, no pun or insult intended, just a complete review of purpose here.
Elesewhere on Energetic is quite and active EVGray thread, wich we do follow.

[mlurye]

Why are you paying so much attention to the BEMF?

[Aromaz]

Why are you paying so much attention to the BEMF?

It is an important issue in my current research
- which is about electrons and their movements outside of conductor.

But in this case here, it is to help sucahyo understanding his quest.

[mlurye]

Corrie,
Have you thought about feeding coil with impulses equal to BEMF impulses? That is what static generator is about.

[sucahyo]

@Aromaz, Can you show the close up look off frequency generator attached to coil in your video? Do the spike have the same height in all ferquency?

Same conclusion with Bedini, I think we can not utilize negative BEMF since the electron is coming from both direction. And it seems this BEMF can not be stopped with diode.

I decide to make the video of how the BEMF happen using only coil, neon and battery. early result show that BEMF will happen on switch opening no matter where the coil is located. Watch out when trying though, the shock will sting real good ........

Thanks for the info, I'll see what I can learn about atom from google.

@Joit, no, bedini use coil at positive side. At least this from the picture I see

And coil doesn't scream (builds up in pitch, sounds awesome) with the dc motor, just with resistor. I have put 2 different 10k pots there but they both caught fire after couple of seconds..

How many watt is that?

[Aromaz]

@sucahyo;
There is nothing strange.
Signal generator connects to primary coil wound 4xturns anti-clockwise
- Earth to bottom, signal to top.
Scope connects to seconday 250xTurn same direction
- Earth to bottom, signal to top.

No the spike varies all the time, even when signal generator stable.

Bedini does use the 'BEMF' - but it is enhanced by magnetic rotation which then makes it higher percentage of radiant. That is why his 3055 is used as dual switch.

Yes, you can put diode in circuit but it has to be very high voltage - something like 15KV. Typically you will find in broken microwave oven. Try some repair shop around there, they willprobably have few stripped microwaves around.

Though even with that high voltage there will be a very small spike passing through before the diode can oppose the CEMF.

Bedini; yes you are right on SSG coil is directly to possitve of run battery.
All rest of circuit - radiant recovery and control is on negative side.

Do you understand the concept of why the flow of energy in battery from negative through load to possitve?

[Aromaz]

Also; if you can get 4 similar diodes, you can use them to make bridge rectifier, then the DC side connects to small capacitor which you then dump back to charge battery.

[Aromaz]

Corrie,
Have you thought about feeding coil with impulses equal to BEMF impulses? That is what static generator is about.

Not tried that yet.

My current direction is to learn more about electrons in as far
as they are possibly the carriers of the radiant, etc. energy.

It is getting quite complicated in both theory and experiments
especially with the confusion of Quantum talks.

That is why i am more here on computer last few days than in lab.

[sucahyo]

@Aromaz,

I don't think I can find a microwave diode here, never see one in junk.

My video is done, please watch at least the first video which show that BEMF happen only on switch opening.
YouTube - How BEMF happen #1

YouTube - How BEMF happen #2

Are you saying that my recovery circuit is being powered mostly when the transistor going from off to on and not the reverse? If you are using a coil, maybe 90% yes, 10% from the opening of switch - that is why the long line comes in to get highest BEMF.

This proven not to be the case, as shown on my BEMF test video. 100% is from opening the switch.

Bedini; yes you are right on SSG coil is directly to possitve of run battery.
All rest of circuit - radiant recovery and control is on negative side.

Sorry, I still don't understand what you mean by radiant recovery in negative side.

Do you understand the concept of why the flow of energy in battery from negative through load to possitve?

I still don't get why BEMF happen on both direction.




About utilizing negative BEMF, I succesfully run PNP joule thief where the coil is in negative side. The neon electrode light up on collector side. Meaning we can utilize it the same way as positive BEMF. Still didn't measure the input current yet.

As side note, my Tos MJ2955 died quickly, maybe a defective product. Currently use TIP2955. Also my microphone can not pick up the transformer frequency for some reason.

Good thing the transistor I bought has it use now, I have to buy 2N3055 and MJ2955 in pair.
NPN Joule thief = Positive BEMF
PNP Joule thief = Negative BEMF

Corrie,
Have you thought about feeding coil with impulses equal to BEMF impulses? That is what static generator is about.

Maybe it worth to try to feed a transformer with BEMF pulse.

[Rectified]

[Joit]

I found a nice Page from jnaudin again about the Negative Resistance.
A Negative Differential Resistance Oscillator with a Negistor
"According to the Ohm's law an increase of the voltage produces an increase of the current,
in this case, in the negative resistance region of the NDR characteristic curve,
an increase of the voltage produces a decrease of the current. "
Beside, it seems an easy Way to set up an oscillating Circuit at a certain Frequency.

@sucahyo
The Bedinicircuit use at both sides one Coil, you can even make more at both side, positive or negative.
I did connect lately 2 coils at negative side, and 1 at pos, and my Charge was veery low. But it takes the BEMF from both Sides, when you have a bigger Coil at negative Side, it increase it too.
Even when he said, the Triggercoil dont need to be that big.
About your Microphone, does it work when you 'sing' into it?
Maybe you only need to adjust the Volume at Recording because the Signal from the Coil is to low.
Some Mic's are not very good, i get a lot of them lately. They only Record, when you are very close to them, to supress backgroundnoise.


And about Electricity, isnt it like, there are 'made' 2 Potentials, and there is a flow of Electrons.
They are moving at lightspeed, and maybe the movement at this speed cause the Light of Current ie at a Spark.

At a Storm, Clouds get her load from frozen Water what falls down, and give Electrons away.
The Air around, or Earth get the Positive from an Influence Effect and get the positive Load.
At the Influence Effect the load is collected at the Backside from a steady Plate or whatever opposite from one Pol, and seems it depends at the turning Direction too.
Interesting is, there is a breakthrough Force, the Loads first have pre-decharge, what increase to a mainstream.
I read somewhere, if not at wiki, there is inside the Cloud a Streamer, when Current hit it, the lighning start decharging.
So, Electrons are moving to the positive Load, and go her Way with the Force, what the Potentials equals.
So far for me, mainly its getting or making two Potentials,
But what is Electrostatic, where is the Electrostatic at the Magneticfield, or, what cause it.
And wich Forces are inside, maybe its in a higher Order as the Magneticfield, but act the same Way, like Electrostatic can stick on your Screen.
Only the decharge there can be at higher Frequency because Electrons are moving faster there and more free.
Lightning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Aromaz]

@sucahyo;

NEON: "...has two electrodes, the one that is CONNECTED to the negative side of a conductor, will glow" Just to clear out possible missunderstanding in your video.

In case of AC, both will glow.

In case of very weak power, on the bottom limit of breakthrough the dieclectric, then you will find the tips of the electroded glow - the electrodes are slanting towards each other - the tips are closer together.

In case of HV environment (like using flyback transformer) the free electrons in the air will casue electrons in the legs to get excited - thus glow.

I do not understand, you are using 1x12Vdc battery to light the neon? I can not even get it to light up with 6x12 Vdc - total 72Vdc to lit up. Neither NE-2 nor Grain of Wheat.

Unless you are using the flyback coil.
Then how is the polarity and coil connection through the coil?

What cause the neon to flash? Keep in mind that BEMF (or CEMF) in
a circuit like this can not be more than the original forward EMF.
Unless again you are using induction in the coils,
then it actually becomes a whole differnt issue with AC not DC

The only time you do get higher Back-EMF (True BEMF) is when you run a DC electric motor (as in magnets and coils). Such does get high voltage spikes - but the average energy is still lower than the original supply (forward EMF).