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  • I don't know if anyone has tried this variation:

    use a flat bifilar pancake coil, with on both ends a series capacitor.

    charge one capacitor with negative voltage, and discharge it.

    the capacitors can be small size, small enough to make a disruptive discharge. And the frequency should be low enough, to keep the coip from ringing. So well below the resonant frequency. the voltage would not have to be very high, I want to try 300V. This makes it possible to avoid the sparkgap, and use a TVS diode

    Not sure about all of this, but I'm going to give it a try.
    Last edited by evostars; 06-08-2018, 12:25 PM.

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    • secrets of cold war pdf

      Just Read a part of the book, here is a quote from it (chapter "Radiant energy" page 32):

      The true Tesla circuit, very much resembles a pulse jet, where no back pressure ever stops the onrushing flow. Electrostatic charge rises to a maximum, and is discharged much more quickly. The constant application of high voltage dynamo pressure tot the circuit insures that continual successions of "charge-discharge"are obtained. It is then and only then that the Tesla Effect is observed....

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      • So this time he used a copper shield and again it hurt...so finally he built a copper box to sit in and even this hurt just as much even though the box was grounded.

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        • unipolar magneticly quenched sparkgap, releases radiant energy

          I read the first chapter of gerry vassilatos book "secrets of cold war technology..." 3 times now.
          Its full of very very good information, On how to release the radiant energy effects, way beyond the hairpin circuit.

          I found an interview of Gerry vassilatos, and made a snipped, where he talks about an important key. The magnetically quenched spark gap.
          The short unipolar impulses.

          listen to it in the attachment.

          its from this interview: Gerry Vassilatos: Tesla’s Ether Theory Interview | Shamanic Engineering

          The purple blue electronic discharges, and the white gasious radiant electricity stream can be seen here, start at 1 min 33 sec:
          https://youtu.be/Cwd8e0vtll0?t=1m33s
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          Last edited by evostars; 06-24-2018, 09:49 PM.

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          • Radiant energy

            I made a 3 part video book review of the first chapter of Gerry Vassilatos book "secrets of cold war technology". This book is several times suggested by Karl Palsness.

            Its full of very good research info, about Nikola Tesla's radiant energy. How to produce it. It's very inspiring, at least to me.

            part 1

            part 2

            part 3

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            • I found Gerry Vassilatos interesting.

              Tesla magnetic spark quench, a picture of that design, field indicated M:
              correction: that should be Mica boundary not field, sorry.
              Tesla magnetic quench.JPG

              There are some explanations (fig 4) what Tesla said about the Fig 5 configuration
              Spark gaps play a central role in many of Tesla's devices, most prominently in his Tesla Coils. This article explains the types of spark gaps Tesla used.


              The article includes this Tesla quotation which is completely bizarre:

              “I charged the condenser with 40,000 volts. When it was charged full, I discharged it suddenly, through a short circuit which gave me a very rapid rate of oscillation. Let us suppose that I had stored in the condenser 10 watts. Then, for such a wave there is a flux of energy of (4 x 104)2, and this is multiplied by the frequency of 100,000. You see, it may go into thousands or millions of horsepower.

              such a wave, as he states basicly resembles an acoustic wave along with it's own electrical properties:
              We can see a relationship between frequency and amplitude in the picture.


              One example of the utilization of the wave was demonstrated in the stout bar experiment.
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              • https://youtu.be/1Flj1i0zQ-8

                Here is the link to the schematic:
                https://imgur.com/a/sh1JOwE

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                    • Deleted due to insufficient data and premature conclusions.

                      For those who caught my previous post here before I deleted it, due to my lack of study in this area (Tesla's hairpin) I mistakenly thought that the attached video link was basically Tesla's hairpin. Even though you can put a light bulb in water and it not burn out as well as put your hand in the water and not get shocked, it is NOT TESLA'S hairpin (stout bar)!!!!!
                      Having now watched Karl's video's of the REAL Hairpin, I believe that this is an area of study/research that all of us should be pursuing.

                      Faux-hairpin that I replicated, not the REAL deal!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5b1EPczOw
                      Last edited by straggl3r; 04-17-2024, 05:48 PM.
                      Invention Secrecy Act: https://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/...s/?page_id=983
                      https://web.archive.org/web/20101108...recy_2010.html

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                      • Originally posted by n84dafun View Post

                        When I run it, I get a combo hot flame with capacitative discharge because it will burn paper and it makes loud crackling noise. This is unlike Karl's where his just leaves little holes in his paper to make it feel/look like tissue after it has placed between the spark gap...
                        ...the arc/sparks should not burn the paper, but only put holes in it.
                        This is a 2009 post, so I'm not commenting in expectation of a response, but rather just to point out that Karl's hairpin gap appears to be keen insight into Max Miller's super secret cold fire ignition! Notice starting at about 6:23 of the video his cold fire simply punches holes in the paper (card stock) and doesn't burn it!
                        PHENOMENAL effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Last edited by straggl3r; 04-16-2024, 09:24 PM.
                        Invention Secrecy Act: https://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/...s/?page_id=983
                        https://web.archive.org/web/20101108...recy_2010.html

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                        • So, I just found out about this circuit, now 16 years on. Having read through the thread, there seems to still be some confusion on exactly which books Palsness was using to get the information here. I scoured the literature for weeks looking to double check the passages he was reading from and having absolutely no luck. However, after a long long search. I think I have identified the exact books he was working from. Bad news they are rare and hard to find. I managed to scrounge up copies of each however (paid a pretty penny) and if you DM me I might just have a scan available.

                          Without further ado, I beleive the green one is Tribute to Nikola Tesla: Letters, Articles, Documents Hardcover – January 1, 1961 by by Rodoljub Popovic, Vojin; Colakovic (Author)
                          found a copy here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...U&psc=1​

                          And I think the purplish one was Nikola Tesla Lectures Hardcover – January 1, 1999 by Nikola Tesla (Author), Vojin Popovic (Editor)


                          Both come out of the Belgrade museum as he mentioned, the colors generally agree etc. I searched and searched but did not find any digital copies amongst internet archive, scribd, z-lib, libgen, piratebay etc. But I hope to remedy that problem. I believe in buying to support authors when commercially available, but if no copies can be found, this knowledge needs to be liberated. I believe the books contain specs and measurements for the stout bar / hairpin circuit and details on a method of tesla coil preparation that as-far-as-I-know is not common knowledge based on the specifics Karl kinda passively mentioned in the 2009 presentation. In an earlier post on this thread Karl elaborates on Tesla's stinging waves. I place a high value on information about this because I believe it is a key feature of longitudinal waves - a style of electric field propogation completely overlooked and unstudied since Tesla's discovery of the phenomenon in the 1890s. The only mention in primary source material of these stinging waves is an article in Electrical Engineer magazine in late december 1892.

                          Gerry Vassilatos makes a big deal about this phenomenon and goes far beyond the description in 1892 saying all kinds of amazing things, however I cannot corroborate any of it in publically (internet only) available literature. However, Karl Palsness, earlier in this thread describes the same phenomena as Vassilatos and embelishes it with extra detail that I did not hear from Vassilatos. This leads me to believe they are both referencing hitherto common source material which I hope to find in these books.

                          The phenomena observed in these devices point at an entire new field of study for physics and engineering, if we pay more attention to it, it could be revolutionary.​

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                          • Originally posted by Thomas_Cleveland View Post
                            So, I just found out about this circuit, now 16 years on. Having read through the thread, there seems to still be some confusion on exactly which books Palsness was using to get the information here. I scoured the literature for weeks looking to double check the passages he was reading from and having absolutely no luck. However, after a long long search. I think I have identified the exact books he was working from. Bad news they are rare and hard to find. I managed to scrounge up copies of each however (paid a pretty penny) and if you DM me I might just have a scan available.

                            Without further ado, I beleive the green one is Tribute to Nikola Tesla: Letters, Articles, Documents Hardcover – January 1, 1961 by by Rodoljub Popovic, Vojin; Colakovic (Author)
                            found a copy here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...U&psc=1​

                            And I think the purplish one was Nikola Tesla Lectures Hardcover – January 1, 1999 by Nikola Tesla (Author), Vojin Popovic (Editor)


                            Both come out of the Belgrade museum as he mentioned, the colors generally agree etc. I searched and searched but did not find any digital copies amongst internet archive, scribd, z-lib, libgen, piratebay etc. But I hope to remedy that problem. I believe in buying to support authors when commercially available, but if no copies can be found, this knowledge needs to be liberated. I believe the books contain specs and measurements for the stout bar / hairpin circuit and details on a method of tesla coil preparation that as-far-as-I-know is not common knowledge based on the specifics Karl kinda passively mentioned in the 2009 presentation. In an earlier post on this thread Karl elaborates on Tesla's stinging waves. I place a high value on information about this because I believe it is a key feature of longitudinal waves - a style of electric field propogation completely overlooked and unstudied since Tesla's discovery of the phenomenon in the 1890s. The only mention in primary source material of these stinging waves is an article in Electrical Engineer magazine in late december 1892.

                            Gerry Vassilatos makes a big deal about this phenomenon and goes far beyond the description in 1892 saying all kinds of amazing things, however I cannot corroborate any of it in publically (internet only) available literature. However, Karl Palsness, earlier in this thread describes the same phenomena as Vassilatos and embelishes it with extra detail that I did not hear from Vassilatos. This leads me to believe they are both referencing hitherto common source material which I hope to find in these books.

                            The phenomena observed in these devices point at an entire new field of study for physics and engineering, if we pay more attention to it, it could be revolutionary.​

                            I'd be interested in a scan (granted what I'm most interested in is Resine's Polytubes book that goes in depth on Tesla vacuum tubes but its not really available anymore sadly). As for Gerry Vassilatos's claims a lot of them are really sound, but I still haven't been able to find all the references he's made. As for the stinging waves Telsa has made multiple mentions, the one you're referring to in 1982 (which Vassilatos also brought up), and also even later on when he was going over his unipolar tube phenomena, in both instances refers to the fact that they are "electrified soundwaves" and can't be stopped by metals. Of course all of this goes ignored by most so-called "Tesla experts", lots very unconventional effects Tesla discovered and improved upon that defies commandments of physicists, and as such they remain forever buried only to be uncovered by a scant few inquisitive researchers.
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                            • Thank you. I am extremely interested in the progression described in this video starting around 36 min:


                              Based on the 1892 article I assum we're talking about a modified hairpin with an extra short, extra girthy bar.

                              In the video above, he describes a really interesting progression of physiological effects as (I would assume) the rate of discharge from the caps increases (due to higher current from the transformer?)
                              pain > mechanical pressure > body permeating heat > white light filling space > cooling sensation > thoughts and consciousness highly clarified

                              That is what I am interested in finding more details on. I cannot find that whole chain of events described anywhere else, and I have been searching for weeks. I hope to find it in these books, along with a lot of other lore drops that Vassilatos and Palsness casually dish out. A good portion of the things they say, I cannot find anywhere else. There is a bit of it in the electrotherapy article from november 17 1898, but not that whole shabang.

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                              • Originally posted by Thomas_Cleveland View Post
                                Thank you. I am extremely interested in the progression described in this video starting around 36 min:


                                Based on the 1892 article I assum we're talking about a modified hairpin with an extra short, extra girthy bar.

                                In the video above, he describes a really interesting progression of physiological effects as (I would assume) the rate of discharge from the caps increases (due to higher current from the transformer?)
                                pain > mechanical pressure > body permeating heat > white light filling space > cooling sensation > thoughts and consciousness highly clarified

                                That is what I am interested in finding more details on. I cannot find that whole chain of events described anywhere else, and I have been searching for weeks. I hope to find it in these books, along with a lot of other lore drops that Vassilatos and Palsness casually dish out. A good portion of the things they say, I cannot find anywhere else. There is a bit of it in the electrotherapy article from november 17 1898, but not that whole shabang.
                                pain > mechanical pressure > body permeating heat > white light filling space > cooling sensation > thoughts and consciousness highly clarified
                                ​The only one of these I haven't really found yet is the cooling sensation but the other ones are solidly recorded. Pain, Mehcanical Pressure are from his 1982 article mentioned previously(stinging felt even behind a metal shield, and the fact that there was enough pressure to displace oil a good inch or so), body permeating heat is as you've mentioned in regards to latter electrotherapy article but also in his 1892 experiments, white light filling space is based on his experiments around early 1892 where the most preliminary of the effects was displayed by him causing the space between two large copper sheets to actually begin to glow (no sparks actually glowing), and thoughts and consciousness clarified Tesla makes mentions of this some time around 1914(?) with using the effects an assistant of his to make them mentally more capable but as early as his 1896 experiments talked about his consciousness being affected by his tubes (i.e. how it made people drowsy and time would pass differently). But as for the pulsations creating a cooling sensation I believe Gerry Vassilatos however I haven't come across anything myself. But I just chalk that up to my own inability as a researcher than anything else. I know there's a trend to say Vassilatos is very sensational but he backs up a lot of his claims, and even his speculations weren't without some basis.
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