That was unexpected.... (Magnacoaster)

[rickoff]

When I emailed magnacoaster back in March "they should be going out by the middle of April, but the waiting list for orders right this minute is at least 90 to 120 days."

Looking forward to customer reviews, as I would like one to power my home.

Thanks-Mike R.

Be careful, Mike. It is easy for anyone to post several seemingly genuine "customer reviews" on their website, or in Internet forums, that tout the product as being "everything claimed, and then some." Don't take any such statements at face value. Instead, either personally inspect and thoroughly test one of the finished units before committing to a purchase agreement, or insist on Willis supplying you with documented independent test results, and then follow through with an investigation to determine whether or not the document and the tests can be authenticated and validated. And even then, if you agree to a purchase contract, make sure that it is a written contract. Look the contract over very carefully, and don't be afraid to alter it before signing if it doesn't afford you proper consumer protections and guarantee of prompt refund if the company does not live up to your expectations as to delivery or performance. For example, don't be afraid to insert a statement saying that the company will refund your full down payment, or purchase amount, within 10 days of return of product, and/or cancelation of contract due to customer dissatisfaction. Contracts provided by a company are written up to benefit and protect the seller, but there is no reason for you to accept the wording as is. Strike out what you don't like, and add your own protections before signing, and make sure the seller has already signed and that you have a copy. If the seller has not signed, then he has agreed to nothing but can still hold you accountable to whatever you have agreed to with your signature. The seller can of course refuse to accept your changes to the contract, made after his signing, but likely will not if they are reasonable expectations on your part, and if the seller intends to do right by you.

Best regards,

Rick

[vrand]

Be careful, Mike. It is easy for anyone to post several seemingly genuine "customer reviews" on their website, or in Internet forums, that tout the product as being "everything claimed, and then some." Don't take any such statements at face value. Instead, either personally inspect and thoroughly test one of the finished units before committing to a purchase agreement, or insist on Willis supplying you with documented independent test results, and then follow through with an investigation to determine whether or not the document and the tests can be authenticated and validated. And even then, if you agree to a purchase contract, make sure that it is a written contract. Look the contract over very carefully, and don't be afraid to alter it before signing if it doesn't afford you proper consumer protections and guarantee of prompt refund if the company does not live up to your expectations as to delivery or performance. For example, don't be afraid to insert a statement saying that the company will refund your full down payment, or purchase amount, within 10 days of return of product, and/or cancelation of contract due to customer dissatisfaction. Contracts provided by a company are written up to benefit and protect the seller, but there is no reason for you to accept the wording as is. Strike out what you don't like, and add your own protections before signing, and make sure the seller has already signed and that you have a copy. If the seller has not signed, then he has agreed to nothing but can still hold you accountable to whatever you have agreed to with your signature. The seller can of course refuse to accept your changes to the contract, made after his signing, but likely will not if they are reasonable expectations on your part, and if the seller intends to do right by you.

Best regards,

Rick

Thank you Rick for the pointers

Hopefully their unit will also last more than the Coils 3 year warranty.

Thanks, Mike R.

[thedude]

perplexing!

If magnacoaster is really perpetrating a hoax so elaborate as to appear on Dragon's Den and then fabricating and marketing a prototype complete with installation instructional PDF as well as other promotional material, then he has very large Ba-jungas!

The fact that he has taken orders and apparently hasn't shipped his device is very concerning...for him! I don't care how FAT he is, if he stole 15K from me i would figure out how to fit him in to my van. :P

Magnacoaster! If your listening, you have an opportunity to do your self some good PR here on these forums. A lot of people are watching to see what you do here, and a simple word on your own behalf could serve to bolster your reputation and quite possibly keep your from suffering retribution from some one. Make use of this thread.

I know its not much but I would even offer you some free advertising on energetictube.com if you would come forward with some proof. Some independent testing with testimonials on video would probably be enough at this point to really quell some of the doubt.

I'm feeling badly for anyone who has ordered from him and is still waiting. I'll feel even worse for him if it eventually catches up to him.

PS- thanks to Sephiroth for this thread and to Rick and all those who are trying to reveal the truth here.

[kyler]

any news here? has anybody built, tested or bought one yet?

[Joit]

Not really news here, i guessing, noone did hear again something from Magnacoaster lately.
But anyhow thanks for bring back this Thread,
there are still some Things, what i think about.
Once, At some drawings are different Magnets at the Device,
like here described.
Probatly this can give at this Case some extra power,
and second, when i look at the Diagram below, i wonder about,
that the Load is connected at the AC-in Pins from the Rectifier,
anyhow, this dont make really Sence, because there are some Diodes (102,104) also,
what would block the output (96) from the Rectifier, when they are not Zener Diodes.

I see. Okay, I have located it and the link to the International patent application. For anyone interested, here it is:

WO 2009/065219

And here's the only drawing included:



I really don't see anything novel in his approach, does anyone?

[ewizard]

I saw some input recently from a member elsewhere ( 'bolt' who I think has very recently signed on here) on Magnacoaster. Most of this was new info to me I had not seen. Take it for what it's worth:
"You need to read about everything he has done so far before jumping to conclusions. The reason for going for 5kw and 10kw+ is for many reasons. When he started to get good results he took his system to a test house. They said it will cost you $1/2mio ($500,000 - my note) to get type approval on a new energy source unless you piggy back into existing technology. This is the main reason for the delay over the last few years.

So he went into solar NOT because it needs it but its the ONLY way to piggy into existing energy frame work in order to meet all the State approvals not just in Canada but other countries too.

SO a single small solar panel of around 25 watts will run the oscillator backed up by a small gell battery and the power device will be grid tied. In Canada they are paying something like 18 cents a unit SOLAR that can be pushed back into the grid so the entire system will pay for itself using rebates within say 5 years. The high price incentive is to relief the failing infrastructure a problem most countries now have around the world. Its cheaper to pay people a few cents more then build a new power station and pay carbon tax.

The average house will still be ON grid for peak demand where more then 12kw is required for short bursts. The other 20 hours a day may only need 1Kw so the excess is 11kw going back collecting rebates. So after messing around the last couple of years trying to solve massive overheating problems and plasma balls forming around the coils he had another set back after it was found when grid tied the power unit was pushing KW's of RF noise into the grid as well as RF noise being transmitted. He cant get pass FCC approvals till this sorted. Already spent the last year making screened Faraday boxes etc but the actual device works its everything else is the problem including inverters that can handle up-to 20KW peaks they don't come cheap.

This is NOT going to be a cheap system its going to compete with solar so a 15KW solar system starts around $30k and goes up fast the more batteries and panels you need.

The few people that go OFF grid of course will lose the rebates AND lose the peak demand buffer and for those people its really a case of mind training to know the system limitations. In other words don't expect to run the heating, take a hot shower, put 4 TV's on, run the microwave and washing machine and clothes dryer all at the same time. If you want that it will cost you a fortune rather then spreading the loads.

Now you know why i said just make one, the technology works perfectly and no special devices needed if you keep under 500 watts. Its only over this power you need lots of $200 IGBTS and $100 PUCK 500 amp surge high speed diodes etc. And the inverter alone probably cost another $6K or $7K.

There is no such thing as FREE energy even if you run your house off the TPU you need about 10 of them maybe more if they need to be cycled to allow cooing time, plus the inverters will still cost 10k for the cheapest system."

[ewizard]

I've read his patent and I'm still trying to find something unique in it. I have already built and tried everything he talks about, and am quite familiar with these types of devices.
Nevertheless, I think you should certainly build whatever you think it is and see for yourself. What exactly are you building?

Ted

Did you put in the diodes the same way as shown in the patent? I know some have said they must be backwards or that he has extra ones that should not be there. However I came across some info recently from Patrick Kelly (author of the 2000 + page Energy book ) who recently found he had some diodes facing the wrong way on a particular device. I think the jest of it was they had been put in the diagram based on traditional EE knowledge but they actually needed to be backwards in order for the device to work (a Tesla Switch of sorts). So he recently corrected this in his book so they now look backwards but apparently that is how they need to be for it to work. I'm a little hazy on this but I do also recall seeing something similar elsewhere recently. The diodes needed to be backwards to extract radiant energy.

[Karl_Palsness]

Don't buy from Magnacoster!!!

I have a very good friend that paid in full for a magnacoster machine 14 Months ago! And has not gotten anything from them yet!!!!! So now he is asking for his money back and they are ingoring his request. They respond by saying they are going to be shipping it out in 30 days or less.

I do not want to dump on anyone that is trying to bring an OU device to market...as we really need that! But his is getting just a bit out of control. My advice is NOT to PURCHASE from Magnacoster till my friend gets his device and we test it. I will then report back to hear and let you know if it works...but we first have to get hold of it.

I have a friend that has worked for magnacoster and has seen inside it...I have seen the pictures and it is not that complicated but it is VERY FUSSY as for timing. Keeping it on frequency is the most difficult part.

Like I said several times....Gap power is the same idea, so is GotoLuke's wiper motor and my friend at Hyiq.

SQM Replication Project - Hyiq.org - Update

Magnacoster been the most complex and hardest to make.

Karl

[bolt1]

I wrote the post about 3 up from here on OU.com. Rest assured i have NOTHING to do with magnacoaster its only my own obs after watching close what he has been doing the last few years.

He almost certain does have something of value he took the same path of other OU inventors like Bedini and Kapanadze etc they all build a motor first then realize its easier and more powerful to go SS.

The method he using is asymmetric bloch wall modulation. Its important the magnets are biased one side as it makes it easier to NUDGE the bloch over and the energy on the rebound is what is actually used to give the OU. Now I cant say how good this works and i have to agree 8000% GAINS etc sound very far fetched if he said it had a COP=5-20 for this would be more believable.

One of the problems he always suffered is overheating now it don't take a lot of working out that if he needs to oven epoxy the coils AND use forced oil pump cooler on them the power on the coil if its primary or secondary effects must run to hundreds of watts of heat burden. Anyway presumable he got to a stage where it was stable enough to use but this grid tie thing is part of his long term business plan. It may well be a mistake to go BIG when he could have shipped thousands of small 100w devices by now.

His answers to this is in the US and Canada you must Grandfather in to existing technologies to avoid paying 1/2mio+ in classification and certifications. This kind of thing happened many many times in the past especially with medical devices like the TENS unit didn't have a "home" certified slot when it came out in the 70's. It very nearly got squashed in red tape.

So now he dealing with FCC certification which could destroy him and his devices because if the magnet produces OU and it works but in so doing creates massive EM and RF disruption it potentially could make him bankrupt and everyone thats involved loses everything regardless if the technology works or not AND I might add maybe this is the governments final control on keeping this technology out of reach! (as i understand California doesn't allow Hydroxy on cars -non certified, non classified and therefore voids the car insurance as an illegal mod.)

BTW the last FWBR is clearly a mistake but the back to back diodes in the reverse each side of the coil is CORRECT. The forward bias diodes from the switcher are conventional power to switch the coil ON and they are there to stops the OU going back up to the source and the reverse diodes collect the power on the coil collapse and pass to the load.

[Joit]

Thanks for your Replies Karl and Bolt, and thanks for the Link to Hyiq,
it shows a very interesting Experiment (beside some other Things),
but anyhow i cant assemble it into an Device.
The way he shows it at his Experiment he moves the Coil through the magnetic Field,
and i assume there it are the forces into the Coil at the Point, what press the Juice out there,
and i am still not sure, if this Energy, what Art in his Video
bring out with this big Magnets, is close the same, what he do put in.
But anyhow it crys for, to build it at SS.

I think i would never buy one from the Magnacoasters too at the Moment,
till they showed a clean Proof that it works, but i think,
they still have her Problems with the Heat and cant fix it really, thats why it takes forever,
or even with the Licences. For the FCC Standards they may have to make a Cage around it to prefend it from radiating.
But it seems anyway that the Gouvernment use all the Frequencys what all EM Devices use,
just to protect it, that someone tinkers there around.

I do never get it anyway, why Peoples, even what work at this Area of OU Devices dont get it,
that they cant make Money with it, i am pretty certain,
that some Parts of the Gov allready know about all this Devices, and got some,
and more simple, that this Peoples cant see, that any Invention, what brings an Advantage,
and not only Bills, ever ever again been suppressed.
But they do think, they can beat the System,
even at the regular way with Patents, and then think, they are save.
Just a big for them.

About the Diodes/FWBR, i did do play around a bit lately with a Spark Strobe Light for Cars, to see where the Impuls goes.
The Clip or sensor there, (actually only a Ferrit core with few Windings) only works into the Direction where the Impuls goes,
and believe it or not, it showed that the Impuls did go into the Diode.
I am upset about it, and not really sure, what it now means,
it would show pretty clear then, that the Diodes are wrong labeled, and the Current runs into it at the Ring, not out.
Plus i figure then, how Batteries really get charged, because at the Minus Pole and couple other things, what are very wrong then.
But even then, this FWBR doesnt make really sense, even, when the Spikes only would jump through the Diodes.
But otherwise, why did he put it into the Schematic, when it seems to be really useless.
Anyhow i could understand it, when he only will use the Load as a Resistor,
to build up a opposite Force at the Coil, but not as it is at this Picture.

[ashtweth]

Hi All.

I Spoke to some one in Aust who applied to be the Magnacoster dealer, he is supportive of the non profit org, he said Richard keeps blowing his semiconductors (switching) Patrick K offered to help him, but Rich seems to think we the open source community dont know that he is making SMOKERS and cannot help, i have asked him if we could help under NDA and no remuneration. (end of the day we are trying to just get the technology out there)

Richard wont listen. The magnacoaster;s switching is still not reconciled as of July 2010 Sorry i forgot to post this. This means to me its not workable or workable until OUR R and D.

Ash

[bolt1]

Ash, Thanks for that so he still blowing smoke. I heard this too but long time ago. I still think the concept works but he is committed to making KW's devices and its pushing the standard range of IGBTS to and high speed diodes to the limits. RE tends to stress things out about 10 times more then conventional.

Its only reiterates the fact everyone is still much better off to go it alone and then you make this system in the low power range where off shelf standard parts have a better chance of surviving and no need to get certifications and all the state approvals for commercial product.

I think the answer is is mag-amps but don't tell i told you This is why the TPU used mag amps and not FETS.

[kyler]

Well, I want to build a small device 500 watts? who is with me? I cant do it on my own im new and I dont know anything about magnets, Have some time now and this winter should have lots more time as well.

Anybody else interested in this?



Kyler

[bolt1]

You need at least basic lab gear, lots of money and spare parts including full tube of 800 volts 20 amp fets as you will smoke plenty and high speed diodes. No one has properly documented and repeated this to a successful outcome so it means you have to bang many many coils and lots of magnets over months to get the desired effects and perfect wave forms required.

The power comes back out of the magnet at much higher frequency then went in so you need high pass filters etc to improve efficiency. Basic concept is bang a coil with inch cubed neos one neo one side and 3 the other and pull off excess via a FWBR into a large Cap or second battery.

Start with magnacoaster patent (google) and go from there.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I can't help notice how this device is very similar to Don Smith's device 9-2 with the rotating shield. If we look at Smith's device and assume that the passing shield creates the same polarity, then it has like poles in between a coil, just like magnacoasters rotating device. And just like magnacoasters device, it has a weaker magnet field at one end of the coil than the other, though magna's uses a different means to achieve the weaker like pole and it appears more passive, as the coil does not need to be pulsed with any input or so it seems. Has anyone made any experiments with the solid state version, I'd like to try the solid state setup since it's easy to build, though I'm sure it has to be tuned and would like any advice on how to get it to function as it is meant to. Any help appreciated, thanks.
peace love light
Tyson