Regarding The Ed Gray Motor

[Electrotek]

Getting a motor to spin faster than normal is the objective. More HP from a smaller motor. This requires a higher voltage, but also a 'cold' energy. If I plug a drill into 208V, two phase power, it'll really spin. And heat up. And the brushes really shoot fire too.

I still think the CSET develops a static charge, and that the Overshoot Switch shorts this charge to ground, when it gets too high, before it can damage the coils or the capacitor.

[Beshires1]

Getting a motor to spin faster than normal is the objective. More HP from a smaller motor. This requires a higher voltage, but also a 'cold' energy. If I plug a drill into 208V, two phase power, it'll really spin. And heat up. And the brushes really shoot fire too.

I still think the CSET develops a static charge, and that the Overshoot Switch shorts this charge to ground, when it gets too high, before it can damage the coils or the capacitor.

I think the voltage from a ignition coil is static. I can't charge a capacitor with it, It really doesn't rectify into a true DC, I can only get it to brightly flash a neon bulb. As I under stand it I have the Voltage but without any humph. I may have to find a MOT or pursue the Idea I have about what I think Grey was really doing. The video I made making the small test motor run on high voltage from the ignition coil, well if you watch the video again you will hear the system straining when I turn the switch on.Like a alternator pulling a lot of amps. Well at the end of the video the motor wouldn't spinn no more, because that test drained the battery of juice, from a full charge. In comparison I can run that little motor 3-4 days full speed off the same battery. If I take the ignition coil out and put the test motor in its place, running on the same pulsed negative from my accessory relay then the motor will probably run a week on the same voltage used to pulse the ignition coil. Now thats crazy isn't it?

[Electrotek]

Since an ignition coil is a coil, the voltage is inductive, rather than static. If you can't charge a cap, it either isn't getting enough pulses or the small battery can't provide enough current on the input to produce an adequate output. Or you may have the wrong diode. We've seen that a diode can pass reverse HV. When the cap discharges, it's ringing will produce HV AC, which, of course, won't charge a cap. Is the rating of the diode high enough?

Over on the Water Sparkplug thread, poii said he could charge a cap with an ignition coil, then dump the cap through the second, primary coil. But he was driving the coil with a lot of amps, from a car battery.

It's interesting that the HV drained the battery. I've been wondering why Gray used a cap and a battery? Maybe the HV pulls a surge from the battery. Still, there's a difference between 1700 Amps from the cap and a hundred or two from the battery, so maybe the battery served a different purpose. However, the ignition coil is a much heavier load than the motor, and will drain a small battery quickly.

[Beshires1]

This is an impressive demonstration. Have you tried hooking it up to your little motor? What will happen if you increase the voltage?

A little overvoltage to the Popping Coil.
"Popping Coil" 60V Capacitor Discharge.

[Electrotek]

Well done!

What's the price of a Great Video, one little coil? This won't happen if you spray each layer of the coil with lacquer as you wind it. And that shows the importance of using positive electricity. It's the negative current which burns through the insulation.

And Congratulations, you now have the beginnings of a Mass Driver. This is a legitimate Space Drive.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hbimp35.htm

Is this what Gray was really working on? He once told a friend that positive rays directed through a superconducting grid would work as a Space Drive, so he had some interest in that area.

[Beshires1]

Well done!

What's the price of a Great Video, one little coil? This won't happen if you spray each layer of the coil with lacquer as you wind it. And that shows the importance of using positive electricity. It's the negative current which burns through the insulation.

And Congratulations, you now have the beginnings of a Mass Driver. This is a legitimate Space Drive.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hbimp35.htm

Is this what Gray was really working on? He once told a friend that positive rays directed through a superconducting grid would work as a Space Drive, so he had some interest in that area.

Mass Driver? UH, Space Driver? Negative current burning thru insulation? Ok, I give up, what in da world you talkin bout, Willis?

[Electrotek]

Beshires1:

A Space Drive is a direct push engine. Without exhaust, a satelite or ship can make an unlimited number of maneuvers, and achieve whatever velocity is required. With an energy source, no other fuel is ever needed. A mass drive is a type of Space Drive which throws mass with more force in one direction than the other. It would be like launching your coil would lift the base. Then the coil could be pulled back down and launched again, lifting the base higher. Gray may have been working on this, as well as a pure energy type of propulsion. Something like this will have tremendous ecconomic value.

In your video, I saw a flash of light which made me think your coil burned out. If it did, it was because a spark burned through the insulation. This is something which is more likely to happen as the voltage, and power, goes up. Sparks are caused by an electron current which punches through a dielectric such as insulation or air. In the process, the electrons ionize the air, then a positive current begins to flow through the ions. This current produces a magnetic field which causes the electrons to move outward, leaving only the ions in the arc. It's very difficult to start a non contact arc without the initial electron pulse. So when positive electricity is used, normal insulation on magnet wire can withstand a much higher voltage, allowing the production of more power with small coils.

[Beshires1]

After some serious rewiring, adding the second ignition coil to my high voltage Grey tube circuit, I can now say that I have rectified the outputs of both ignition coils and have charged and discharged 210 Volts thru the "popping coil". Now this makes me feel better, But I can say that I wasn't very impressed with the "Jump" The coil hopped about 1 inch. I am not using the Grey tube at this time. But here is something that I learned that is very important. I hooked the output from the coil to one AC post on the bridge. I hooked the positive lead from the battery to the other AC post on the bridge rectifier. I ran two wires, One from the DC positive post on the Bridge the other from the DC negative post of the bridge. I wired the cap by polarity between the positive and the negative wires. With the system turned on I can now get a reading as the cap charged with a voltmeter. Do not run the negative ground to the bridge rectifier, It will show a high charge, but will do absolutely nothing! I will make a video of this progress later. The yellow and green lead that is attached to one post on the Bridge are coming from the ignition coils.

[gnino]

hi beshires i wanna replicate popping coil , how are the two coils connected?
thanks
luca

[Beshires1]

hi beshires i wanna replicate popping coil , how are the two coils connected?
thanks
luca

The coils are both wound in the same direction . End of one coil is connected to the start of the other. I used 50 turns each coil #22 - #26 magnet wire. The connecting wire can be the end of first coil then pull a loop out then continue to wind the second coil, separately but in the same direction.

[Beshires1]

Here is proof that a motor can be run from Rectified DC produced from ignition coils high voltage output. When I trigger the discharge of the capacitor thru the popping coil the spark you see should take place within the Grey Tube by spark jumping to the grids, and is triggered when the commutator is aligned for this coil pair to fire. Problem is getting this switching to take place within the conversion tube.

Ignition_Coil_Charging_Capacitor_for_Popping_Coil. mov

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/1898-regarding-ed-gray-motor-ignition-coils-charging-capacitorcircuit.jpg

[gnino]

The coils are both wound in the same direction . End of one coil is connected to the start of the other. I used 50 turns each coil #22 - #26 magnet wire. The connecting wire can be the end of first coil then pull a loop out then continue to wind the second coil, separately but in the same direction.

thank's i make a try in the week

by luca

[gmeat]

Here is proof that a motor can be run from Rectified DC produced from ignition coils high voltage output. When I trigger the discharge of the capacitor thru the popping coil the spark you see should take place within the Grey Tube by spark jumping to the grids, and is triggered when the commutator is aligned for this coil pair to fire. Problem is getting this switching to take place within the conversion tube.

Ignition_Coil_Charging_Capacitor_for_Popping_Coil. mov

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...torcircuit.jpg

Hi Beshires,


I just wanted to say thanks for your input to the forum with your test results.keep up the good work .


-Gary

[Beshires1]

Eureka!!!!! Guys mark this day on the calender. At 2:00 today, I setup the popping coil with the capacitor, I wired the capacitors trigger wire to the 87 post of the relay and wired the 30 post of the relay to the popping coil. Relay coil ground 85 to battery and I can discharge the capacitor by touching the battery hot post 86. today after charging the capacitor I shut down the rig and removed a wire connecting the ignition coil to the bridge rectifier, then,I turned the setup back on. Holding the relay trigger up to the Ignition coils discharge a beautiful. Lightening like spark jumped to the trigger wire and Bang, The popping coil fired. Guys the popping coil fired off a high voltage spark from the ignition coil.This is Great News. I can fire the capacitor now using the Grey Tube!!! AS a Switch!!!! Yea!!! No applause please, just throw money!
The Black wire along the bottom of picture is relay post 85 to ground. The red wire along the bottom of picture is off of relay post 86 This energizes the relays coil and allows the capacitor to discharge.The red is the wire I refer to as the trigger wire. The red wire at the top of the picture is battery positive.

[Guest]

Congrats!!!

That is great news! Eagerly awaiting your wiring diagram and in depth analysis...