Ball Spark Plug

[Ozicell]

Reply to Golden

Hi Ozi..
Thanks and Yes... we're following your efforts!
The Pulstar plug is a resistor plug..yes?
You mentioned on the kiker thread, you were having difficulty with leakage from the insulation on your replication plug wires?
Can you elaborate? What kind of insulation did you use?
Have you overcome this problem?
Thanks for your updates.

Hi Golden,

As your question is Kiker related, I answered you over on the Kiker thread.
BTW the pulstar plug IS a resistor plug!

Cheers
Jeff

[Ozicell]

Latest test results

Hi Guys, I wasn't going to post these images as I wasn't sure whether I would pursue this design further, however, I can now say that I am scrapping this design and going back to basics.

Test results. These plugs have been run in my car for 452Klm's. Power’s definitely up, less pressure required on peddle and around 24% better fuel economy. Seems to be cleaner burn. Oil leaks mysteriously stopped - I don't know why! Downside: Bad design flaw. One cage was off centre and as a result damage occurred to the cage, fortunately I caught this before it came off in the motor. However, the other three plugs were fine.

Pics show fouling and build up at 132Klm's then how they cleaned up by themselves. I can run a white cloth over the cage and it show no soiling at all. As at today at 452Klm's the plugs were all still clean with only a slight fouling on the bad plug!

There is definitely something worth pursuing here!
Cheers
Jeff

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Ozi

Wow that's amazing results...! and Im well impressed.

Yet u are scrapping the idea ?

btw Did you use the plugs with your test made Kliker spark leads ?

Great work and thanks for sharing your results...

[Ozicell]

Ozi

Wow that's amazing results...! and Im well impressed.

Yet u are scrapping the idea ?

btw Did you use the plugs with your test made Kliker spark leads ?

Great work and thanks for sharing your results...

Hi Blah,

No I am not scrapping the idea, just this particular design. I feel the cage is too closed in on the ball and it's difficult to check centre the cage and ball. Plus with a more open design, I feel there is more likelihood of the plasma doing its job rather than being confined by the cage.

Kiker replications are still on hold as I am sourcing better insulation, so this testing was done with standard leads, coil and points distributer.

Cheers
Jeff

[blahblah]

Thanks OZi ...

yeah well thats again a great result from standard leads and dizzy !!

I understand how you are thinking..you want the plasma to escape more ...
Im sure you have been reading the water spark plug thread..if so you should have the patents on TSI..the designs for plasma spark plugs in the TSI patents may help you in your thinking for a new design.

US Patent 5704321 - Traveling spark ignition system].

Later Patent for Travelling Spark Ignition
Dual-mode ignition system utilizing traveling spark ignitor]

...Mate Im really excited about what you have achieved..imagining that with the Kliker test leads..perhaps CDI or home made plasma making ignition and your new improved plasma plugs...WOW...I cant wait !!..

[Ozicell]

Thanks

Thanks OZi ...

yeah well thats again a great result from standard leads and dizzy !!

I understand how you are thinking..you want the plasma to escape more ...
Im sure you have been reading the water spark plug thread..if so you should have the patents on TSI..the designs for plasma spark plugs in the TSI patents may help you in your thinking for a new design.

US Patent 5704321 - Traveling spark ignition system].

Later Patent for Travelling Spark Ignition
Dual-mode ignition system utilizing traveling spark ignitor]

...Mate Im really excited about what you have achieved..imagining that with the Kliker test leads..perhaps CDI or home made plasma making ignition and your new improved plasma plugs...WOW...I cant wait !!..

Thanks,

I have now downloaded a copy of both and wiil look at them as time permits.

You have no idea how much I wish that we could all get together in one room and think tank this stuff! You may think that these forums are doing just that but they lack the face to face quality! I have little understanding of electronics because I have never studied it. But I am an ideas person who can bounce things of those who are in the know.

Anyway, that has always been my dream! I guess this is as close as I am going to get!

cheers
Jeff

[dubsta]

I had a feeling that cage had way too much "meat" on it.
Meaning the cage itself is too restrictive. Bottom line is, it worked and made improvements but I think going with a thin gauge wire to create the cage is the best option and would allow for the best flame/combustion overall.

I have a few things going on now and I am still waiting on some materials before I can start giving this stuff a shot myself.

I forsee some hurdles lol...but am following this thread closely

good work

[Ozicell]

I had a feeling that cage had way too much "meat" on it.
Meaning the cage itself is too restrictive. Bottom line is, it worked and made improvements but I think going with a thin gauge wire to create the cage is the best option and would allow for the best flame/combustion overall.

I have a few things going on now and I am still waiting on some materials before I can start giving this stuff a shot myself.

I forsee some hurdles lol...but am following this thread closely

good work

Yes Dubsta, I tend to agree but am willing to try various configurations and if it turns out that less is more, then so be it. Along the way it's been an interesting ride.

I look forward to your progress, please keep us informed.

Cheers

[maxmuzz]

Hey Ozicell,
Any new updates on the cage redesign?

Also, regarding the ignition, I would look into a new ignition from Crane, MSD or Jacobs and possibly a coil upgrade to go with it. It wouldn't be cheap, but you can get 120-170mJ per spark depending on the model you choose. Compare it to an OEM system (50mJ/spark); that should really light things up. I know Jacobs and MSD have race-only ignitions that put out over 300mJ/spark, but they can only be used for a short time and shouldn't be used on a daily driver.

[swompwalker]

You are doing an incredible job in producing these plugs – (I believe Robert K. Had a jeweller knock his up?) precision placing of the ball in relationship to the earth straps is of the essence therefore precision production models may well exceed your prototypes . 24 mpg is not to be sniffed at and this may well be bettered by retiming the engine if not the fuel mix from 14.7. The straps do look a little restrictive (but then should perhaps the plug size itself not be half or double the size with a double sized ball - we are for the present restricted by the holes immediately available!) The problem of producing a “handcrafted” plug for long term use is perhaps insurmountable? The history of the Halo points to the major probs in that direction Halo Spark Plugs - History of the Halo Spark Plug. A Halo and a ball – again the problem is the small size of the ball and the necessity of a certain size of metal for the earthing “Strap”. I wonder if a round earth strap same sort of size as fencing wire used to keep cattle in would last ?
It would be good to see your plugs jumping a marble up a plastic tube.

[Ozicell]

Hey Ozicell,
Any new updates on the cage redesign?

Also, regarding the ignition, I would look into a new ignition from Crane, MSD or Jacobs and possibly a coil upgrade to go with it. It wouldn't be cheap, but you can get 120-170mJ per spark depending on the model you choose. Compare it to an OEM system (50mJ/spark); that should really light things up. I know Jacobs and MSD have race-only ignitions that put out over 300mJ/spark, but they can only be used for a short time and shouldn't be used on a daily driver.

No updates at this stage!

Cage redesign is going back to the 4 arm, I am waiting for a jig to be completed that I have commissioned to more accurately position the cage. Until that comes, there isn't going to be a lot happening.

Thanks for the info, as part of this process, I will be upgrading my ignition system somewhat!

Cheers and thanks for following the progress!

[Ozicell]

You are doing an incredible job in producing these plugs – (I believe Robert K. Had a jeweller knock his up?) precision placing of the ball in relationship to the earth straps is of the essence therefore precision production models may well exceed your prototypes . 24 mpg is not to be sniffed at and this may well be bettered by retiming the engine if not the fuel mix from 14.7. The straps do look a little restrictive (but then should perhaps the plug size itself not be half or double the size with a double sized ball - we are for the present restricted by the holes immediately available!) The problem of producing a “handcrafted” plug for long term use is perhaps insurmountable? The history of the Halo points to the major probs in that direction Halo Spark Plugs - History of the Halo Spark Plug. A Halo and a ball – again the problem is the small size of the ball and the necessity of a certain size of metal for the earthing “Strap”. I wonder if a round earth strap same sort of size as fencing wire used to keep cattle in would last ?
It would be good to see your plugs jumping a marble up a plastic tube.

Precision is a VERY BIG problem! Slightly out and the it arcs to more or less 1 spot and you have excess heat damage to that area. The plugs that I have posted here were all fine except for 1 which had the above problem. Fortunately it highlighted another design fault and hence I am going back to the 4 arm design.

Even getting it all right, I still believe that the earth material won't stand up for any length of time being only 316 SS. If I find this, as I am expecting, then I will have to source a more resilient material for the job. Otherwise, just wait for Robert Krupa's like everyone else!

Cheers

[Ozicell]

4 Arm Design

For those who haven't seen it, this video is taken of the 4 arm design which more closely resembles Krupa's plugs. The plug in this video has a 6mm ball whereas my next 4 arm will have a 5mm ball giving a slightly larger gap. When I get them up and running, I will post results.

YouTube - Ball Spark Plug Test

Cheers and thanks for all the suggestions and support
Jeff

[Doc]

Hi Jeff
Great video

Have sent you a pvt message, please can you get back to me

Ta

[ashtweth]

political and economic conditions

Ozi, see those comments on your video by Ian!!!

"Hi there. I suppose you are wondering why this was not mentioned years ago. I worked for the Ford motor company. I was not employed to develop spark plug technology. I just developed an idea, manufactured it, tested it in fords. The plug was great and not really any dearer to make. upset a lot of people higher up. the plug is a double platinum ball tipped spark plug. I still have some. I am new to the internet. saw all the fuss about firestorm. so just posted my comment. happy to talk ."

Thats it, i am doing a suppression video with all the groups research on this.