A Word On Permanent Magnetic Motors...

[gyula]

Hi Matt,

you are right, sorry for off topic info, I have deleted it.

rgds, Gyula

[Matthew Jones]

I have no control over anything, but I would think that it would be more benificial to the overall information to keep bedini motor ideas in bedini motor threads. Keeps people from having to read a bunch of info that does not pertain to the subject.

Cheers.
Matt

[gyula]

I have no control over anything, but I would think that it would be more benificial to the overall information to keep bedini motor ideas in bedini motor threads. Keeps people from having to read a bunch of info that does not pertain to the subject.

Cheers.
Matt

Hi Matt,

Ok, I understand and modified my previous mail.

rgds, Gyula

[BinzerBob]

I was just wondering,,, for the linear magnet motor torque could be extracted in a useful way if there is a mechanism attached to the moving magnets that operates straight, then turns the magnet around to the entrance gate to start all over again?

The mechanism could be like a piston connected to a crank shaft. As the piston goes up it is in line with the gate and powering when it comes down the magnets are shifted away from the gate so there is no interaction, then when the piston goes up the magnets are shifted inline with the gate again to give power to crankshaft.

One could use a old Briggs and Straton motor for the base mechanism.

Just an idea.

[Matthew Jones]

You could use a small electromagnet and reverse the polarity when needed. Come think of it I might try that. I am not sure about a mechanical flipping, it does take a certain amount of force to push the magnets into the gate.

You can arrange magnets to get rid of the gate effect. But Cutt magnets are required.
You essentailly roll the first and last Poll out of the way. By Aligning magnets face to face to form a corner in which the poll is far enough away that there is no attraction.

Hopefully I'll be showing a working model soon.

Cheers
Matt

[BinzerBob]

Not sure about the electromagnet concept

with an electromagnet, you would get an induced voltage as the magnet starts moving.

I am wondering what effect that would have? I believe that it would be similar to a DC motor armature but not sure. That is, the back emf produced on the coil would = the supply voltage. At this point there would be "no" current draw, but it happens at a particular speed.

Yes a mechanical shifting device would require a certain amount of force and work .... but if the amount of work supplied by the gate is greater than the requirements, it would be self running.... You know maybe the mechanical mechanism could be like a Grasshoff mechanism. A 4 bar linkage type of thing.

Ahh the electromagnet sounds better and better.

[Matthew Jones]

The amount of voltage that would build up around it would be nominal. For this to be an issue you need the magnets to be perpendicular to the coils North or South. You will on the other hand get some drag from the copper wire but because its charged that Nominal at best also.

If you use a Non grounded circiut you could have good results. Just pass current back to a battery or capacitor.

The only thing I can see being a problem would be the power in the outside magnets. If they are weak like in the video. You might not get the effect you are looking for. An instant snap in the opposite direction.

Getting off the subject a bit....

And then of course the one other possibilty exists with at minimum 10 outcomes.
The ten different explainations I have received from so called Compitant and Educated Engineers who of course think engineering is science. Maybe one of them are right. So if it works it would either be a hoax, a well known deceptive phenomina, it might go once then halt to a stop, it would constantly slow down and produce nothing, It would be a waiste of time, It would store kinetic energy like a flywheel and maybe fly off into space or somthing, it would be a hallucination capturable on camera, it would be detrimental to science and mankind in general, and my second Favorite, It would becon Satan himself to this earth because the practice of free energy from magnets is a well practiced feild among FOOLISH DEVIL WORSHIPERS and CULTS. But I don't know if that guy was really an engineer. LOL
And the best one, It won't work becuase, Mankind already knows it all and science a feild dictated by the observations in nature, knows it won't work, ( I guess they have direct commincation with God or Mother Nature) so its foolish and a waste of time to even try. Many men have already figure out this won't work.

Its pretty amazing to me the psycoligy of the people who claim it doesn't work, or I am misguided in my effort. Or that even trying is a serious waste of time and pure foolishness.

I never claimed anything other than a small impractical example of "static" magnets doing work. A novelty at best. It has good fundamentals and I beleive sincerly that Howard Johnson received a gift from God and had a clear vision of how this could be a feasible source of power. But I am just trying things. I am not sure if anything past the track will work.
But I'll be damned if I am not going to try.

Back on subject, Sorry about the rant. That stuff builds up... LOL

So far from looking at you tubes I have not seen anything that comes even close to what I am trying. Most devices that are close make one serious flaw. They use a side to side approach to driving the magnets. IE the Hammel gate ect. The magnets cannot make a closed loop in this configuration. By putting the magnets side by side and allowing them to touch in the front you are shorting out the entire Front pole. This does not work in any type of energy.
Imagine you ask for a dipole from a battery, current flowing from only the negative pole. If your load is on the positive pole of the battery, you probably wouldn't get any work done. If your load was on the negative side you would be able to get work done without releiving the battery of energy. This of course is not known to be possible with energy and I beleive primarly because the particle that is energy is too small to physically handle. But...
The magnet has the same properties as energy, but we cannot seperate poles to create a dipole. We CAN short out half of each pole and allow the remaining half of the Dipole to do work for us. (Explained in the original post)

This means that if we come up with the means and precision to alighn the magnets in the same pattern as in the track the overall shape of the pattern does not matter. The LOOP for example will NOT short out simply because we have shorted out only HALF of the magnetic dipole when constructing it. The gate should become inert and the rotating vortices left behind should drive static magnets through it the same as track. Everything I have seen in 14 seperate configurations leaves me to firmly beleive this.
Although I will not be disappointed if it does not, because I have not lost anything. A few bucks to prove to myself it does not work in a round configuration.

The flat track still has potential. The front and rear field can easily be shorted out completly. I mention a working protype above.



The assembly of magnets in the image should negate any entrance or exit resistance. Then the driven magnets could be added to a large wheel and driven through.
The wheel as on estimate, would need to be of a radius that would not take the driven magnets out of a perpendicular path more than 5% of the overall leignth. In other words they would need lined up pretty straight to stay in the vortice feild.

But this whole thing is still theory, with just a small amount of proof that has led me to the theory.
I will be soon cutting magnets, then we can see if the theory works or not. Again, whether working or not the experience is benificial to me. I also get more satisfaction in the hope than I get disappointment in the letdown.

Cheers
Matt

[rsc]

I feel that a person would have to get a run away conditon first. Then once this is acheived you can contol this with opposing mags.

New design for you...Research Monocycle!!!!

Why spin 1-4 mags with opposing strengths.

Spin the hole lot of mags>>>>can you say run away.

No less than 27* for the push No more than 45*

You could do a Bio Hazzard symbol wheel..Notice offset for push... pull...clear the disk all at the same time. Vary the strenght of the mags and see what happens!

Good Luck
Rod

[gyula]

Hi Rod,

I searched for a biohazard symbol and attached here for others like me not knowing it earlier.
But I still have some problems with fully understanding how you think those number of magnets to be arranged on a biohazard symbol wheel?

Thanks for any further explanation, a drawing even by hand would save you many words

rgds, Gyula

[Matthew Jones]

And whats a run away condition?

I am also not following the Monocycle thing.....

I can imagine any number of configurations that could possibley work but I try to just keep it simple.

Matt

[rsc]

flat track system...2 rolls oppsitie each other...Gap between them so mags can run on a rail between them. Make a true motor out of this.

Monocyle... Hold the mags that run through the rail. Put the rails on the outside and let them run around the station mag.

Q: How many stationary mags required to obtain run away conditions?

Not that hard to visualize.

Run away condition is required for a true mag motor...No stalling or stopping.

Bio Haz. and mono cycle go hand and hand if wish to use less amount of mags.

Simple...

[Matthew Jones]

Thats were I have been heading the whole time. LOL

I hope I made obvious enough as to why this could work.

I am grinding magnets today. But I still have to wait on an order of them to come in.

I am standing the magnets on end for the next track so I can have wider drive feild. Hope fully pass a wheel through it with individuals. Thats all of course if the blocking method above works out.

Cheers
Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Newest experiment

I added a video up that show that the incoming opposing force can be broken and the original design has the power to run a belt driven system.

Pre belt driven system

Matt

[monsterman]

lets say i made a permanent magnet generator that produces electricity what would that invention be worth? and how long would the magnet last in length of time?

[Matthew Jones]

Well if it could actually could produce power, or was vialble source of torque to do work with it would be invaluable. When you start loking at how much it would make YOU well then you have secumbed to greed. This is usually the biggest downfall to any invention of this nature.
Best answer I could give you is it would pay for itself over a period of time.

The magnets could and most likely would outlast you. The bearings may not last that long though and other components would most likely fail first.

Matt