Global Warming & The Price of Gas Part II

[Kevin]

Cont. from Part IJohn Coleman's Comments Before the San Diego Chamber of Commerce | KUSI - News, Weather and Sports - San Diego, CA | Coleman's Corner

[future pather]

Regardless of what CO2 emissions do to the heat of the globe, they are acidic and toxic and . . . . .

THEY CAUSE CANCER.

We need to look for better ways, period. The time spent arguing over the issues in the posted quote is a total waste imo.

When the prices get too high, that's when alternative energy sources make the most sense. Too bad that is a part of the cycle, but so far that's how things tend to work.


Jessica

[jstadwater]

CAN I GET AN AMEN!!

[future pather]

I also wanted to say the issue of CO2 emissions is about balance. The Earth needs it, but too much of anything is a bad thing :

CO2 emissions are acidifying oceans, much to alarm of environmental scientists

CO2 emissions are acidifying oceans, much to alarm of environmental scientists

Growth of global carbon dioxide emissions "spiraling out of control," report finds

Growth of global carbon dioxide emissions "spiraling out of control," report finds

[Sephiroth]

excellent write up... I enjoyed it.

Though here is something I have always thought (though oddly few have agreed with).

I think the main cause of the CO2 in the atmosphere has not been caused by fossil fuels (though they don't help), though by deforestation.

Let's think back to a time before fossil fuels even existed in the earth. There were BILLIONS of acres of forest holding incedible amounts of carbon in their biomass.

The arguement against trees being the solution to the "carbon crisis" ("don't panic!" cired zebedee panicing) is that the trees will die, decompose, and release their carbon into the atomsphere... well it doesn't work like that, does it? There will be another 3 trees beneath it ready to take it's place.

Add more carbon to the atmosphere and plants will accelerate in growth. This planet was once covered in trees. Now it is covered in Cities and agricutlure. Nature is all about equilibrium and we are disrunpting the balance.

I am currently living in Britain. I think it is an ugly country, though peolple always tell me how beautiful the country side is... it isn't. It is all fields covered in the green concrete we call grass. This island was once covered in trees.

Ask me if Carbon Dioxide is the contributing to global warming, I don't know. Ask me if global warming is a man made effect, I doubt it. However, I believe the increase in CO2 IS a man made occurance and shows that we are having an effect on our enviroment. We are living out of equillibrium and fighting back nature to make room for ourselves.

The REAL inconvienient truth is that there is too many of us, and this is going to be an increasing problem for the foreseeable future.

There is no solution to this problem, since we do not see it as a problem. We do everything we can to live longer and increase our population.

God help us if the entire world gave up smoking.

[Aaron]

my humble but deeply felt opinion

There are global warming periods and global cooling periods and both are NATURAL. The model I believe in is the natural glaciation cycle as described by Hamaker and Weaver and all references to describe this are in Survival of Civilization. I put the free pdf here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/agriculture/1401-survival-civilization-john-hamaker-donald-weaver.html#post12790

Don Weaver just emailed me a good article I'll post in the agriculture subforum soon.

This past winter and spring in Spokane, the only physical and empirical evidence that I have to go on without looking at any outside data would be for me to come to the conclusion that we are definitely moving into an ice age. In spring 2009, I might feel different. lol

Gore's data he presents is maybe not necessarily manipulated in itself but was very carefully selected to leave out the whole picture in order to support the exact model he wants people to believe. A half truth is the same as a lie but that is for everyone to decide on their own. I have seen ample evidence of this as the rest of the data is public. I will post references to this if I can find it easily enough. The good outcome that I see for Gore's campaign is that simply more people for or against are made more aware and I think awareness is important.

The problem with human change that I have an issue with is toxic pollution, which is happening and I don't think there is much debate on this fact. Global warming or not, we are causing poisonous smog and other environmental problems around the cities (and hidden areas) of the world and this is a serious health issue. If we are going to have a hot environment or cold environment...in either case, I would prefer to breathe clean air in either one.

There is one serious issue that has to do with debate in general. Global warming is true or false and if so do humans cause it.... there is one inherent flaw on this whole question.... PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPTIONS TO PICK FROM INSTEAD OF DECIDING FOR THEMSELVES WHAT TO THINK.

My first experience with this manipulation was in junior high school and high school. If I follow the ideas of list A, then I'm a democrat. If I follow the ideas of list B more, then I'm a republican. And if I follow the ideas more on list C, then I'm independent. This is a very classic closing question... "Will that be cash or charge?" "Would you like 1 or 2 of them?" LOL, give someone the options to pick from and when they choose one, they think they made a choice. Where is the "None of the above" choice???

As long as people are stuck on the options given them, their "frame of reference" will be boxed in ever so tightly so as to not think past that in order to see the truth. Ingo Swann said it best in my opinion in his profound book Secrets of Power I. The first step to power is to expand the frame of reference.

In those grade school years, I thought I was more independent and sometimes one of the other two options given to me at different times. Now that I know better and realize the USA was founded as a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and NOT based on majority rules the minority, founders cautioned against factions (parties), and so on......I could see how I was manipulated early in life.

The EXACT same thing is happening with the global warming debate. TRUE/FALSE and if TRUE, HUMAN or NATURAL. I think it would be wise for people to analyze things from all perspectives and to expand the frame of references in order to see if maybe there is something else entirely different that we should be considering that really addresses the problems of the planet.

[Chip Shorter]

The Truth



Global warming is a disguise for a economic control mechanism like taxation and consumerism. The whole idea is to get you away from you money.

The real enviromental issue that is going on and gets no attention from the population because of this global warming farce is the pollution of the enviroment through man made chemicals used in industry and agriculture. Global warming keeps you from talking about that because the corporations that are going to profit from this global warming crock are the main contributers to the dispersion of man made toxic chemicals polluting our biosphere. Global warming has more to do with economics than science.

[ren]

[QUOTE=Aaron;20861]

My first experience with this manipulation was in junior high school and high school. If I follow the ideas of list A, then I'm a democrat. If I follow the ideas of list B more, then I'm a republican. And if I follow the ideas more on list C, then I'm independent. This is a very classic closing question... "Will that be cash or charge?" "Would you like 1 or 2 of them?" LOL, give someone the options to pick from and when they choose one, they think they made a choice. Where is the "None of the above" choice???
QUOTE]


So true.

[wpage]

Get used to being manipulated

Back in the 70's as a technology undergrad. I was told that there would be no oil by 1984 and we must come up with the alternate energy solutions...
-Wind
-Solar
-Nuclear
-Hydro
We struggled with the stone age science only to find there was still plenty of oil...

It would just cost more!

Lets not get fooled again by our enemys..
-Hugo Chavez and his crew in Venezuela
-The Russia's or whatever they call themselves now
-The Arab league or OPEC
-EXON MOBIL

We now have the technology with the internet and communications to not be fooled again.

The truth is out there and it will set you free in many ways.

Go and find it!

W

[Kevin]

Please be aware of the following:

1. I did NOT write this article. John Coleman did.

2. I did NOT endorse or criticize the info/opinions shared in the article

3. I DID ask for peoples opinions and their basis for them.

For all the input!!!

[rick123]

Photo: Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

We all know that we have to take better care of the earth. The more people the harder it is going to be.
I wish we could travel around our solar system and study the other planets. I would love to visit the ruins on mars! I need to do more studying on "remote veiwing"

[Aaron]

Mars, Earth, magnetic fields

Mars TRV: PSI TECH Technical Remote Viewing Trainees' Mars Project - TRV Online Classroom
Mars Anomalies
PSI TECH, Inc. Technical Remote Viewing - PSI TECH Correctly Identifies Source of the "Mars Probe Signal."

Nothing about the warming, but there have been trv projects with mars.

As pole reversals come close to happening, the field does weaken bit by bit and in parts...there are sections around Earth, where the magnetic field is supposed to have ALREADY reversed...many spots over the ocean....that happens more and more until they merge together causing larger reversal spots and eventually the whole planet's field is flipped.

If I can find the documentary where this was shown, I'll post it...I think it was the Discovery channel maybe.

As the field weakens, more solar radiation enters the atmosphere instead of being deflected around.

Some planets already had their poles reversed and the sun does it around every 15 years or so.

[muttdogg]

Global cooling

The same morons running around today screaming, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling," are the same ones that said the world is going into the next glacial age. Or, maybe there will be a meteor slam into Kansas. There are 11- 22- 55-year cycles the sun, or should I say sun spots, occur. CO2 is not a problem to either humans or plants. It's CO. Also, Europe was a very verdant forested area, But the heartland of the United States, From the Mississippi, to the Rockies, was not. There are more trees in that area than before the hated Europeans came and changed the "peaceful existence" of the natives that didn't live there.. One of the major exports from the "new" world were the huge pine trees used for masts of the sea-faring nations of Europe. My point is, trees look nice, I am carpenter, so wood is a very happy thing, but they are also depositors of the most nasty glues, dirt, and other crap, but trees need to be where they belong. Like rainforests.

[muttdogg]

limate change

To Aaron,

You might want to read "The HAB Theory". One of my favorite novels.

[Aaron]

The HAB Theory

Just posting this for reference:
An Unofficial Web Page for The HAB Theory, a novel by Allan W. Eckert