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[lwblack]

Tornado Fan

Has anyone attempted to turn the Tornado Fan into a Bedini motor? At 5700rpm that would be one tough unit

[Rockhead]

It works, but how do I know?

So, It finally works. Now how do I know it is working? When I got it assembled the first time it didn't work, it lit up but it didn't spin. Finally, I tried reversing the motor pole leads on the source battery side. I moved what I thought was the + to the collector and what I thought was the - to the + of the source battery. It is spinning, but how do I know it is charging the battery? If I could be confused about the leads on the motor side, how do I know I have the other side wired right?

[lwblack]

So, It finally works. Now how do I know it is working? When I got it assembled the first time it didn't work, it lit up but it didn't spin. Finally, I tried reversing the motor pole leads on the source battery side. I moved what I thought was the + to the collector and what I thought was the - to the + of the source battery. It is spinning, but how do I know it is charging the battery? If I could be confused about the leads on the motor side, how do I know I have the other side wired right?

As with any experimentation, you check results. If you have a multimeter and put it on the leads of the output it will read something if working and won't read anything if something is wrong.

[guitar89]

Question...... (i'm a newbie)

I saw about the fan, and i'm interested in it.
But i have to confirm some FACT.

Is the fan itself will turn infinitely?(or almost, i know it will eventually slow down) and will last how long?
If i don't put and battery to charge (leave the connection of battery open), then will it still function as it is ? (unless it won't charge any battery)
If i don't want to put battery, (no interest in charging battery) what can i put in its place ?

I heard that the voltage input of charging battery is high (100V) so the potentiometer is used to decrease the voltage ?

So by right the whole system will just start if i turn the fan, and no other electric sources ? (but i saw circuit diagram with "Source" written on the video, right at 1:45)

Imhotep - Bedini Fan Project Part 3 - YouTube
less one diode by the way

anyway, its a nice job, imhotep

[Rockhead]

It did run for about 3 days. The fan would run about 10 hours and it would recharge the charge battery to almost full charge, which was cool considering I was using non-rechargeable.
I don't know the answer to your question. I never saw anything remotely close to 100v.
I am going to move to a bigger project.

[guitar89]

thats a nice one, you answer part of my curousity in my head. Going to buy the parts as soon i get the chance to electronic shop,haha.
Rockhead : you said that the fan for 3 days, did the speed slow down significantly (very obvious type) when about end of second day ?

[Rockhead]

It would run constant for about 10 hours and stop. Run another 10 hours when I exchanged the source and charge battery positions. The fan would stop at higher source battery voltages and wouldn't completely recharge the charge battery. Eventually the voltage required to run the fan could not be provided by the charge battery.
It seemed to fall apart when I started to charge 2 batteries at the same time. Bedini usually charged more than 1 battery at a time and I thought he said it didn't matter how many charge batteries the were in the system because they were being charged by the voltage spike.
I'm really not someone to answer questions about this stuff. I didn't even understand I was building a battery charger when I started the project.
Good luck.

[guitar89]

Is there rough figure of the Hertz (frequency)on the pulse energy (flyback or anything...), which is the current to charge the battery.

I'm thinking how to make the fan keep going without stop, once it has been start-up/spun. (i heard that it will stop once the battery fully charge)

** i know the answer is in the thread somewhere, but ..... it has more than 900 post in it..... **
i'm doing my best to read through the thread THOROUGHLY , until page 6 only now....

[mbrownn]

It would run constant for about 10 hours and stop. Run another 10 hours when I exchanged the source and charge battery positions. The fan would stop at higher source battery voltages and wouldn't completely recharge the charge battery. Eventually the voltage required to run the fan could not be provided by the charge battery.
It seemed to fall apart when I started to charge 2 batteries at the same time. Bedini usually charged more than 1 battery at a time and I thought he said it didn't matter how many charge batteries the were in the system because they were being charged by the voltage spike.
I'm really not someone to answer questions about this stuff. I didn't even understand I was building a battery charger when I started the project.
Good luck.

The answers are a little complicated so i will explain it simply for now.

What is happening is 90+% of the energy from one battery is ending up in the second battery and the fan is only consuming 10% of the energy put in it.
Effectively you are transferring energy from one place to another and running the fan almost for free.

If you have two charging batteries half of the energy will go into each battery. The pot is used to minimize the amount of energy we are using to make the charging more efficient. The output voltage is around 120v when not connected to a charging battery but only slightly above battery voltage when it is connected.

With the fan you get resonance in the coils which causes the chirping noise this resonant frequency is set by the coils but I have found is around 6kHz

As far as I know there has been no self running fan that has been replicated but I am working on it and I am getting close.

There is lots of additional information on the workings of the fan here Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ - Index page you may find it easier than reading 900 post on different aspects in one thread. This is Imhoteps forum.

Whether you post here or there I will read them hehe

[guitar89]

dear mbrownn,
thanks for the info, haha. Could you share little bit of your working ?

I never knew there is a imhotep forum. is it his own website, or other help him built the website ?

So in reality, there is no free energy we can harness ? only towards to maximum efficient ? (excluding solar energy)

[mbrownn]

This is where I will confuse you

The electricity we put into a coil remains mostly unconsumed and comes out the other side. The bit that is used up is converted to heat and is proportional to the resistance of the wire. The rest that passes through is usually shorted out on the source, destroying the source. It would be better to collect this but we don't.

The magnetism created in the coil actually comes as a result of a calculation of the number of amps flowing and the number of turns in a wire but no energy is consumed. An impedance against the flow of electricity causing a phase shift in AC or a Delay in DC but this does not consume the electricity.

The energy that charges our second battery does not come from the source, It comes from the environment. When we put an electron into a wire we create a dipole, in other words we create an electrical charge in the wire. Just like magnets, opposite charges are attracted to each other and like charges are repelled. We are unable to detect these charges other than the high voltage spike we see in the wire. It is this charge that then rushes to the battery and causes it to charge up. It is this, that is the free energy. If you talk to an electrician or schoolteacher they will say that this is nonsense, but if that were the case the fan would not do what we can all see it does.

In the case of the simple fan our energy gain is is about the same as what we use and comes for free and the motor action comes almost for free too. So now you see that there is a lot of energy to be got out of these devices and more than we put in, we can also collect some of the energy we put in too.

We know that we can run a 100w motor with 30 watts by recovering the energy not consumed and feeding it back into the supply. we can also run this same motor with mostly free energy from the environment as long as we put a little in in the first place. If we could combine these outputs we could make it run itself in theory and this is the goal. There is also another output we can use, put a generator on the motor and add this to the total energy gain.

Normal electric motors are not very efficient 30 to 70% and it is difficult to recover much from them. The Bedini fan is not very efficient at around 27% but the energy recovery is very close to 100%. This is the reason that this device is good to start with. I have made it run producing more output than input but have not yet been able to make it run itself.

This is Imoteps mail web site Imhoteps Labs There are many tutorials and interesting things here

[guitar89]

thx buddy ! the website show quite clearly about the construction. But as for explanation, not too much ^^

you said your circuit won't run itself, you mean you must turn (your kinetic input) to start it ?


anyway, how do you make it produce more output than input ? (kinda weird ?)
you mentioned that the energy from environment, how it does though ? (someone have called the charging voltage as flyback voltage)
It sounds fiction, but that doesn't matter, the motive come to the forum is to learn, haha.

So...... adding a generator with a bedini fan in common shaft, with output of generator on the same output as bedini will give us about 100% or more than input ?

[mbrownn]

No it wont run itself, you need a DC power source ie a battery or transformer output and yes you have to spin it to get it going. When tuned to the sweet spot you will get 90+% charge efficiency plus 20+% mechanical efficiency. Add them both together and you are already in overunity

The energy is radiant or even gaseous, in other words it does not need a conductor to follow, but will follow one if the impedance is low enough. If everything on the output side is low impedance your COP will be better. We have no way of directly detecting this energy, this is why many dismiss its presence, but its effect at charging the battery is obvious and cannot be dismissed.

The way that it does it, is because we charge the coil with electrons, when this happens the positive radiant is attracted to the wire from the surroundings of the coil. When we discharge the coil ie remove the electrons this positive radiant leaves the coil by the easiest route, that is it follows the wire to the battery that we are charging. There are lots of terms for this energy, ZPE, flyback but I prefer radiant as that is what it appears to be. Pure forms of energy all seem to be radiant like heat and light but can be conducted also.

The output of the generator is small because the motor is only 27% efficient so it is impossible to get more from the generator than that. In reality the generator will have losses too so realistically we cannot expect more than15 or so percent of the input. I found the fan too small to install a generator. Add it up 90% radiant and 15% generated and we are at 105%.

There is another output where we can get more energy.

Place two 12v batteries in series for the supply and on the return wire place two 12v batteries in parallel so that they are being charged by the power that has passed through the Bedini. Again there will be less than 100% recovery here but all these outputs add up. I have got 45% recovery here so that is 90% + 45% + what ever you get from the generator, theoretically 15%. That's 160%.

The problem I haven't been able to solve yet is how to feed all these outputs back to the source to make it self running.

[guitar89]

hm..... radiant energy.... haven't heard of it before i touches things about bedini. (just heard about scalar energy, they call is space or nature energy)

So this radiant energy applies to any electrical energy that doesn't dissipate into heat or light, right ?

too bad it cannot self running.... but i heard someone suggest using transistor switch between the batteries (supply and charging) makes it self running until a limit (longer running time at least)
but using transistors also means its going to dissipate some energy, haiz...... (they create waste heat most of the time)

ohh yeah, if i were to use low voltage batteries, is it ok ? (instead of 12V, i use small 1.5V battery, those radiant energy would burst it up ?)
or could i connect it up in series, which use 6 (would make up to 12V), or even parallel with combination ??? What would be the most efficient way to 'collect' or 'recovered' more energy ?

i think i can make an generator out from an same size fan (pc fan in this case), connect it together, maybe something like this would be nice, but still figure out the complete circuit, haha.

You have any project photo to let me enjoy for ? (would like to watch at those marvelous machines)

[mbrownn]

Yes there are many terms for it, I call it radiant because that is the only way it can get into the circuit. It is the energy that we appear to be getting but cannot measure it coming in, It is the energy that is charging the battery and nothing to do with our source supply.

A Bedini fan can be used in many ways and configurations, you can use 3v to charge 12v or 12v to charge 3v, the voltage does not matter much. Series and parallel configurations are all ok for the supply but on the output parallel is best with a separate diode going to each battery. Obviously the batteries in parallel need to be of the same voltage. The only thing to look out for is that the charging battery does not get hot, slightly warm is ok. You can charge non rechargeable like zinc carbon batteries too.

A computer fan is a great start for small batteries up to 4 Ah, rewind it with 27# wire to go up to 12Ah

I havent taken many pictures as there are already lots of them on the web.