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**Redmeanie** · 12-20-2007, 02:20 AM

Looks Interesting....

Im looking at this and wondering why this is not available commercially if it is that effective......
It looks REALLY Professionally done, all the Machine work and stuff....Is this available to you in some sort of kit or are they providing you with plans?

If I were you I would ask Peter to take a look and give an opinion...He has the Electric Motor skills and you could probably PM him, or perhaps he will see this and check it out...

**rsc** · 12-20-2007, 12:08 PM

Well like all things we do in the world...It comes down to money...
He is out to make as much as he can with this and I don't blame him at all for that. At least he was kind enough to let us all get a good look at it.
Licensing is available for those who has the money to take this to market.
I think he said his is working on kits to sell and a new machine to sell to help bring this out to the public.

I have been down the road of the MIB and it does not bother me. I have had lots of ideals stolen and been told to remove items... I even have my own patent on a magic black box for the transportation world that got slammed.

So that was a little back ground on me... As with each human being on this earth we get tired of the money pit Gov. taking and not giving back...

Thus brings me to right on this forum. I know the limits of my skills...
CALLING all members to help me out in this experiment.
I have the contacts to have this unit made...

I respect the knowledge here...If I may ask...Jetijs,Peter and others...Will you help?
Jetijs, your drawings are just off the charts...#1
Peter, Incredible electric Knowledge.

There has been alot of people looking at the post...C0me on your input is needed type something. Lets do this.
Rod

**Jetijs** · 12-20-2007, 12:35 PM

Hi rsc,
welcome to this forum. I am glad that we have one more seeker of truth on our side. I have seen the web page you posted, looks nice

But I actually don't quite understand the process. Could you describe in simple words what is going on with that motor?

I see that when the shaft is turned with a drill, we get a push/pull action on these side rods, but how does that help? Also I would like some comments from Peter about this

Thanks,
Jetijs

**Sephiroth** · 12-20-2007, 01:02 PM

i was wondering that as well!

Would i be right in thinking that when the rods move in and out it forces the discs to rotate through the magnetic field of the permanent magnets. Though this appears to be just the gearing mechanism.

Then it looks like they use a coil to attract and repel the central shaft (the occilating bit) and the magnets convert the linear motion into rotational motion.

A thread was started a few weeks ago about how it is more effective to use magnets to repel and attract in this way than it is in a standard motor where the magnets move sideways... looks interesting. Doesn't appear to be overunity but could be very efficient.

i don't know what a voice coil is but i wonder if it resonates in this configuration?

**Schpankme** · 12-20-2007, 02:57 PM

magnetic attraction

I understand the magnetic attraction that the Shaft Bearings and Wheel Magnets produce. However, there seems to be NO physical (hard) connection from the drive shaft to the "Voice Coil". I'd like to see some torque numbers.

- Schpankme

**rsc** · 12-20-2007, 11:05 PM

operation of this unit is very simple...

1. voice coil- Is just and oscillation device can found in speakers(magnet)...
When the coil is energized it makes the push / pull effect on the 2 outside rods.

2.The oscillation is coming from the 4 pole commutator on the other end switching polarity. This causes reciprocation (push/pull effect).

3. The 2 side rails are used for the reciprocating means for the center magnets. These magnets are used for the push pull affect of the magnets mounted on the center axle. Take note that these magnets used in the reciprocating can be of any size and shape. The N and S poles are on the sides as shown in the video.

4.The center rod is called the axle...The center axle goes through the magnets that are mounted on the side rails with holes in them. The axel has a wheel that does not have to be of any special design. The design would have to be a means for accepting a magnet. Note the wheel is round with 2 half magnets attached to the wheel. The wheel or means of the center magnet holder needs to be light weighted in design. This is the device which would turn the generator

You have a set of magnets attached to the side rails that is reciprocating thus causing a push pull effect on the center magnets that is then creating the rotation on the axle.

Note that this would also allow for the power to be on the unit about 60% of the time because of the oscillation.

I asked the inventor if he ever tried to run this with a generator from a bicycle light to see if it would be a self runner...he said no...I ask why not?
He had no reply. He noted that the unit has a lot of torque. He checked it with his fingers... and tried to stop it which was difficult.

I really think that this unit has the potential of being a self runner. I myself want to scale this up. I am hoping with the help on the forum that this could be done. I have the contacts and the money to fund this project. I really need help with the improved design and drawings (Jetijs) and the electrics (Peter). and anyone else who has any imput.

Improvements:
1. I would like to use teflon slides for the side rails going through the end blocks.
2. Low-Non friction bearings for the center axle.
3. Redesign the magnet holders for the side rails.
4. A soft positive stop on the side rails/ notice springs bouncing
5. Make a holder for the magnets on the axle ...instead of having them attached to the outside of the wheel.

Sorry for the long post...I hope I got the point across.
Thanks for your feed back
PM me if you wish
Rod

**Schpankme** · 12-21-2007, 12:47 AM

Compare your options

Originally posted by rsc View Post

operation of this unit is very simple...

I really need help with the improved design and drawings (Jetijs) and the electrics (Peter). and anyone else who has any input.

Rod

I think you should take another look at all your options before jumping in:

Kundel Magnetic Motor - .62 AC amp X 8.45 volt = 5.24 WATTS
Lindemann Rotary Motor - .20 AC amp X 20 volt = 4.0 WATTS

YouTube - Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor 2b

- Schpankme

**rsc** · 12-21-2007, 01:23 AM

How much torque does the Motor 2b have?

1.2 Watts is not much of a loss... IF the unit can run by itself and turn a generator to power my house.

My object is to get away from the Government.

Also to help others as well as myself.

At least I can have the satisfaction of trying to beat the Gov. at their game.

The only way to find the end figures that a device like this can produce is to build it.

Build it and they will come!

Rod

**Redmeanie** · 12-21-2007, 01:33 AM

Hmm....

One Suspect thing now....As an Inventor, I am very, very aware of all the capabilities of anything I create.....And part of discovering it's capabilities is hooking things up and pushing the limits of the device...If this device is supposed to work so well, and he had no reply to even hooking it up to a simple generator like a Bicycle light generator, I would have all kinds of Red Flags Popping up as to the true capabilities of the device....
Thats Just My Look at it.....But hey if you think it can be done, and you have faith that this design will work as stated, then by all means take a shot at it.

**rsc** · 12-21-2007, 01:44 AM

I asked if he ever hook up a generator to see if it would run by itself.

I don't think his mind was on hooking up a generator to be a self runner as he was to just get it to run.

Maybe I should call him again...

It is my intent to see if it would...

I am just seeking the help of others in the areas that I lack in... an we all learn from this an many more experiments to come.

Rod

**Schpankme** · 12-21-2007, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by rsc View Post

How much torque does the Motor 2b have?

1.2 Watts is not much of a loss... IF the unit can run by itself and turn a generator to power my house.

My object is to get away from the Government.

Also to help others as well as myself.

At least I can have the satisfaction of trying to beat the Gov. at their game.

The only way to find the end figures that a device like this can produce is to build it.

Build it and they will come!

Rod

Rod,

Both motors would have to be scaled up to turn a home generator - there is no free lunch.

The only way to "get away from the Government" is to stop being a consumer.

- Schpankme

**Jetijs** · 12-21-2007, 02:23 AM

Rod,
this seems like a great project. I would love to test this out since it doesn't seem to be a too expensive test, but as you know, I am currently working on Peter's attraction motor that should also eventually be capable to self run. I am investing much of my free time and money in this and don't have time for another project yet.
BTW, if someone will try this out, I found a very efficient generator that could be used in such experiments:
Permanent Magnet Alternator Wind Blue High Wind
I am considering in buying one myself

Thanks,
Jetijs

**elias** · 12-21-2007, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by rsc View Post

How much torque does the Motor 2b have?

1.2 Watts is not much of a loss... IF the unit can run by itself and turn a generator to power my house.

My object is to get away from the Government.

Also to help others as well as myself.

At least I can have the satisfaction of trying to beat the Gov. at their game.

The only way to find the end figures that a device like this can produce is to build it.

Build it and they will come!

Rod

Hi,

This machine seems very interesting, I hope you success in constructing the unit.

The government isn't even a speck of dust in your and everyone's life, it seems so because they are pretending hard to convince us that they are. Ignore the government and they have no effect in our lives individually. This does not mean that we should not look for free energy devices. We should but it would not be available at mass scale until most of the people in the society are ready for such devices. It is not solely the government's fault that we don't have free energy it is the majority of people which are not ready. Remember, people always get the government they deserve.

But, I don't mean that we should not look for free energy devices. In fact we should at the extent our capabilities permit, and do our best to help the poor. I am looking forward mostly for the spiritual aspects of such developments. Free Energy = Freedom. Free Energy can cause a great awakening for the people, as they will understand everyone is equal in creation and poverty is an illusion.

Again, good luck in your construction. One of the things I have in my mind, is constructing the Gray Tube, as it seems that it is capable of generating so much power. I don't understand why it is not considered so serious?

Elias

**theremart** · 12-21-2007, 11:46 AM

Wind Generator.

BTW, if someone will try this out, I found a very efficient generator that could be used in such experiments:
Permanent Magnet Alternator Wind Blue High Wind
I am considering in buying one myself

Thanks,
Jetijs

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I also am considering getting one of these, but have you looked at this one?

Permanent Magnet Alternators PMA pmg Permanent wind turbine mill Magnet Alternator Permanent Magnet generator wind power PMG wind turbine wind turbines

It is about $100.00 more, but looks well made. The charts show
alot of power coming out of the unit.

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