The bistander thread

[Turion]

"You're Wrong" is the only response you have? NO proof? No SCIENCE? No PHYSICS? Just your opinion? Every time you are shown to be incorrect you ignore it and move on to something else. PATHETIC. What's wrong? Aren't they paying you enough to spend the time to try to discredit me with actual FACTS rather than just your opinion?



By the way, I have already done EXACTLY as you ask a NUMBER of times. Where do you think I got the numbers I have claimed in the first place? Off a cereal box?
They came from the testing of the very FIRST version of the machine that used magnetic neutralization, which was even BEFORE the one that Greyland has now. Just because YOU haven't seen the testing doesn't mean it wasn't done. And it was also tested at an independent lab. However, as I have said, they measured the input and the output to several coils, and while ALL the lights were lit up, they did not have enough meters to test AC voltage and amperage on six different sets of coils AT THE SAME TIME. So, even though each coil was measured separately, not all coils were measured at the exact same time. So they would not verify total production of the machine. Otherwise I would happily give you THOSE results and suggest where you can store them. Later versions of the machine have more than six magnets on the rotor and better magnetic neutralization, so the results may be better. And the NEW machine has 22 magnets on the rotor instead of six, but only 10 coils instead of 12, so I will have to see what happens with it. Once Greyland has everything working, the folks from the lab are going to come to his shop and test the machine again. Why? Because they are INTERESTED. He doesn't even have to take it to the lab this time. He does work for them all the time, so has a really good relationship with them.

Anyone who wants to stop by Greyland's shop and actually see the machine run and take their own measurements, I can give you the address. It is in Santa Clara, CA. ONE person from the forum has already DONE that. He saw magnetic neutralization working first hand and is incorporating it into the machine HE has built. I believe I posted a picture of that machine which required a motor on BOTH ENDS just to overcome magnetic drag. He already HAD coils that were neutral, but needed TWO motors to overcome something bi says doesn't even exist. Want to ask HIM if it exists bi? Want to ask HIM if it works? You say NO ONE has replicated my machine. It isn't the machine that is important, it is the principles, and people HAVE applied them to their builds. I know, because I hear from them all the time. And THAT is why you won't win. You cannot hide the truth once it is out there, and that bird has flown.

[bistander]

1. What have you refuted? That Lenz can be engineered around? Even the supposed "debunking Thane" video YOU posted " shows that it CAN, although he FAILED to show the output of the "speed up under load coil" when it is neutral and puts out the most power, which would have been at a LOWER RPM and hence lower INPUT than he needed for the standard coil to put out the SAME amount of power.

2. I have defined magnetic drag many times, including in the post above. It is the interaction between the core material and the rotor magnet. The PHYSICAL (mechanical) jerking that goes away at speed is defined by the textbook as "cogging" but the attraction of the magnet to the core NEVER goes away, as I have stated, and increases with each coil added. Hence "magnetic drag". I have said this many times. You know it. You avoid it because it proves you WRONG.
On my machine the cores are IN the coil, so the when the coil is in position, the core interacts with the magnet. This I have said many times also. All my coils have cores. If I said the core was there you would question whether or not the coil was. You pick at things like a tiny bird. Because that's all you can do. Try to pick things to pieces because you know you are wrong.

3. Absolutely true. And the truth will come out. Proving you know less than nothing about these kinds of machines.

You're wrong on all three.

Just test the darn thing with maximum output at your desired speed and accurately record simultaneously real output power in watts and real input power in watts.

Then maybe you'll pay attention to what I write.
bi

[Turion]

1. What have you refuted? That Lenz can be engineered around? Even the supposed "debunking Thane" video YOU posted " shows that it CAN, although he FAILED to show the output of the "speed up under load coil" when it is neutral and puts out the most power, which would have been at a LOWER RPM and hence lower INPUT than he needed for the standard coil to put out the SAME amount of power.

2. I have defined magnetic drag many times, including in the post above. It is the interaction between the core material and the rotor magnet. The PHYSICAL (mechanical) jerking that goes away at speed is defined by the textbook as "cogging" but the attraction of the magnet to the core NEVER goes away, as I have stated, and increases with each coil added. Hence "magnetic drag". I have said this many times. You know it. You avoid it because it proves you WRONG.
On my machine the cores are IN the coil, so the when the coil is in position, the core interacts with the magnet. This I have said many times also. All my coils have cores. If I said the core was there you would question whether or not the coil was. You pick at things like a tiny bird. Because that's all you can do. Try to pick things to pieces because you know you are wrong.

3. Absolutely true. And the truth will come out. Proving you know less than nothing about these kinds of machines.

[bistander]

bi,
You haven’t shot down a SINGLE argument I have put forth as to why it works. It works for THREE reasons.

1. Lenz us a reaction not a “law and it can be engineered around as we have PROVEN. Not only has it been demonstrated in videos, but I posted the explanation of an Electrical Engineer as to WHY it is possible, which you NEVER refuted. You ignored it and brought up something else.

2. Magnetic drag can be neutralized as I have demonstrated and any idiot can see. You also never responded to my statement that each additional coil contributes additional magnetic drag in a standard generator because if there were no MAGNETIC interaction between the rotor magnets and the core material, the generator wound produce NO power. Thus it DOES exist and in MY machine, the mechanical (push/pull effect) is neutralized while the magnetic/electrical effect still accomplishes what it NEEDS to accomplish to produce power.

3. When Lenz is engineered around and magnetic drag is neutralized you can continue to add coils (and their cores) to your machine (coils connected to loads) without increasing the amp draw (more than just a little) of the motor or lowering its RPM. This allows you to generate more than it costs to run the motor by several times. Basically, you pay only to turn the rotor. Get it? THATS why it works.

I have stated many times in the past year, I will do all the necessary tests as soon as I have this machine put together. And I will send links of all the videos that contain data to Aaron. He can be the judge of whether I have told the truth or not.

The videos that complete the series on how to put the generator together I will post here. But that’s all you get until after the conference in July. I picked up two 500 foot spools of #14 wire at Lowe’s just about an hour ago along with all the necessary end connectors. The parts I was waiting for from Greyland weren’t in my mailbox, so it will probably be Saturday before I get them. I MAY have figured out a way to mount my motor without having to wait for the longer belt. It will be temporary, but it will let me start testing coils this weekend and that’s what I am most anxious to do.

The truth will cone out. I can live with that. In fact, I can hardly wait. Bye Bye bi.

1. I have refuted it many times as it applies to your device, you just don't understand it. I guess you are blind to fact and truth that I write.

2. When you first used the term 'magnetic drag' I asked you to define exactly what you meant. Never happened. So to this day I guess you mean cogging. And I've shown that cogging is irrelevant to power production at speed and load. But I do acknowledge you can neutralize cogging. But the overwhelming accepted definition of magnetic drag is a loss caused by hysteresis and eddy currents. Your schemes will not neutralize (eliminate) those losses. If it did, why do you seek better low loss cores? In fact, the additional magnets in your anticogging scheme increase the total machine loss at speed. The test which I proposed on black beauty could easily demonstrate this.

And it is not the coil creating cogging and magnetic drag, it's the core and magnets.

3. Totally ridiculous. Like I said. Show us.

But I have mentioned several reasons lately, you just don't realize it.

Let the truth come out.
bi

[BroMikey]

bi,
You haven’t shot down a SINGLE argument I have put forth as to why it works.

The truth will cone out. I can live with that. In fact, I can hardly wait. Bye Bye bi.

That is a funny opening. That is because he never had a single electricity class.

[Turion]

bi,
You haven’t shot down a SINGLE argument I have put forth as to why it works. It works for THREE reasons.

1. Lenz us a reaction not a “law and it can be engineered around as we have PROVEN. Not only has it been demonstrated in videos, but I posted the explanation of an Electrical Engineer as to WHY it is possible, which you NEVER refuted. You ignored it and brought up something else.

2. Magnetic drag can be neutralized as I have demonstrated and any idiot can see. You also never responded to my statement that each additional coil contributes additional magnetic drag in a standard generator because if there were no MAGNETIC interaction between the rotor magnets and the core material, the generator wound produce NO power. Thus it DOES exist and in MY machine, the mechanical (push/pull effect) is neutralized while the magnetic/electrical effect still accomplishes what it NEEDS to accomplish to produce power.

3. When Lenz is engineered around and magnetic drag is neutralized you can continue to add coils (and their cores) to your machine (coils connected to loads) without increasing the amp draw (more than just a little) of the motor or lowering its RPM. This allows you to generate more than it costs to run the motor by several times. Basically, you pay only to turn the rotor. Get it? THATS why it works.

I have stated many times in the past year, I will do all the necessary tests as soon as I have this machine put together. And I will send links of all the videos that contain data to Aaron. He can be the judge of whether I have told the truth or not.

The videos that complete the series on how to put the generator together I will post here. But that’s all you get until after the conference in July. I picked up two 500 foot spools of #14 wire at Lowe’s just about an hour ago along with all the necessary end connectors. The parts I was waiting for from Greyland weren’t in my mailbox, so it will probably be Saturday before I get them. I MAY have figured out a way to mount my motor without having to wait for the longer belt. It will be temporary, but it will let me start testing coils this weekend and that’s what I am most anxious to do.

The truth will cone out. I can live with that. In fact, I can hardly wait. Bye Bye bi.

[bistander]

Note to Altrez,

I am ready and waiting to help Turion as you suggest. All he needs to do is post up some data. Hopefully he's through arguing and ready to get down to business.

Seriously,
bi

[bistander]

I have given away every detail of this machine and how to build it. Do I need to put the food in your mouth and move your jaws up and down before you can eat? That’s an anemic attempt to make me feel guilty, and it will never work. I gave this away and didn’t have to. I’ve done my part.

And yes, remodeling this house is a priority. Making house payments on two houses in the time of COVID is not easy, and I have grown fond of eating a couple times a day. So selling this house is essential. Once that is done I will be in a better position. Not that it is any of YOUR business.

YOU could always get off your ass and build it and prove it DOESNT work, and save all the people you claim I am bamboozling, but you haven’t. I guess YOU don’t care about anybody but yourself. Selfish. Inconsiderate. Self centered. Pathetic.

And by the way, it doesn’t work by magic. It is science and physics. Ever hear of them?

Turion,

You've given away every detail, except proof it works. That is kind of an important detail. Why hasn't a single replication been built and demonstrated? Even by you.

Prove it works and see how many replications happen.

But it doesn't work. You're full of BS. You should feel guilty for perpetrating this scam.

I've shot down every argument you've made as to why it works. Others have documented tests debunking your methods. You're the one who made the extraordinary claim. Proof is on you.
bi

[Turion]

I have given away every detail of this machine and how to build it. Do I need to put the food in your mouth and move your jaws up and down before you can eat? That’s an anemic attempt to make me feel guilty, and it will never work. I gave this away and didn’t have to. I’ve done my part.

And yes, remodeling this house is a priority. Making house payments on two houses in the time of COVID is not easy, and I have grown fond of eating a couple times a day. So selling this house is essential. Once that is done I will be in a better position. Not that it is any of YOUR business.

YOU could always get off your ass and build it and prove it DOESNT work, and save all the people you claim I am bamboozling, but you haven’t. I guess YOU don’t care about anybody but yourself. Selfish. Inconsiderate. Self centered. Pathetic.

And by the way, it doesn’t work by magic. It is science and physics. Ever hear of them?

[bistander]

I have always known the difference between a coil and a core. To insinuate I haven’t is your typical BS. But since all MY coils HAVE cores and I have been very clear about that, when I mention coil i issue anyone if even limited intelligence would understand it includes a core.

The generator had been run MANY times with all 12 coils connected to loads and lighting up the lights. I don’t know what you believe would suddenly magically appear to convince me that what I am seeing working in front of me suddenly doesn’t work, but whatever it was, it didn’t happen. Sorry.

As for speed up under load and magnetic neutralization being irrelevant to input vs output I only have one thing to say. You, sir, are an idiot. You will never get it. Never. You are just too damn dense.

Turion,

You call me dense. Look at yourself. You must realize the a tabletop device which magically turns 300 watts into 2000 watts is a world changing claim able to save countless lives, end suffering and hunger for millions and virtually end pollution/carbon emissions. Yet your priorities are your remodeling project. I doubt that you actually believe your claim and are that callous.

This is sad.
bi

[bistander]

I have always known the difference between a coil and a core. To insinuate I haven’t is your typical BS. But since all MY coils HAVE cores and I have been very clear about that, when I mention coil i issue anyone if even limited intelligence would understand it includes a core.

The generator had been run MANY times with all 12 coils connected to loads and lighting up the lights. I don’t know what you believe would suddenly magically appear to convince me that what I am seeing working in front of me suddenly doesn’t work, but whatever it was, it didn’t happen. Sorry.

As for speed up under load and magnetic neutralization being irrelevant to input vs output I only have one thing to say. You, sir, are an idiot. You will never get it. Never. You are just too damn dense.

Just prove it. Show everyone.

[Turion]

I have always known the difference between a coil and a core. To insinuate I haven’t is your typical BS. But since all MY coils HAVE cores and I have been very clear about that, when I mention coil i issue anyone if even limited intelligence would understand it includes a core.

The generator had been run MANY times with all 12 coils connected to loads and lighting up the lights. I don’t know what you believe would suddenly magically appear to convince me that what I am seeing working in front of me suddenly doesn’t work, but whatever it was, it didn’t happen. Sorry.

As for speed up under load and magnetic neutralization being irrelevant to input vs output I only have one thing to say. You, sir, are an idiot. You will never get it. Never. You are just too damn dense.

[bistander]

I have posted video of connecting a light to a wall socket and measuring the voltage and amperage across the bulb, and then connecting that same bulb to one coil on the generator which output MORE voltage at 130 volts and exactly the same amperage at .75 amps, and then shorting out a second, duplicate coil, on the machine and showing that it increased in RPM.

I have posted video showing the motor running on 36 volts at 7 amps from a 13 amp power supply with NO coils in place.
I posted a second video with coils in place that PROVED adding coils caused an increase in the amp draw of the motor and a decrease in the RPM even at rated speed, which shows bi is a liar. (bi says this attraction of rotor magnet to core material is eliminatedby running the motor at rated speed and he is a liar) I call this magnetic drag. The cogging, or physical jerking is eliminated by running at speed, but the attraction of the magnets to the iron core is a constant that cannot be eliminated, only neutralized. PHYSICS. This is something bi has said is of no consequence because it doesn't "affect the output" of the generator. He is a liar. Unless you pass a magnet by a piece of core material at a speed so great that the core material is unable to react to the presence of the magnet due to its finite ability to accept flux at a specific rate of speed, there will ALWAYS BE AN ATTRACTION. If the rotor magnet went by the core material SO FAST that it didn't interact with the iron of the core, the coil would put out NOTHING as a generator coil. You CAN'T have it both ways bi, no mater WHAT you think. If you believe you can, you are an idiot. Add more coils, you COMPOUND this effect. It causes the motor to draw more amps, and/or decreases the RPM of the motor. PERIOD!!!! More mass from more cores means more drag. It MUST be neutralized as I have shown how to do, not discounted as you so flippantly have done. You help me? That's such a joke!

I posted a THIRD video that showed that when even MORE coils were added, the amp draw was at over 17 amps and we could no longer run it on the 13 amp power supply we started with. Then I showed a video with ALL the coils in place and magnetic neutralization in placed that allowed the motor to run on only 13 amps. Later, Greyland was able to tune it down to run on less than 10 amps. Running on only 10 amps was NOT shown in a video, but it is a fact none the less. Believe it or don't. I really could care less.

I have posted a video of two coils outputting 130 volts at 1.5 amps, which is what each coil pair produces. Can you multiply that by 6, since that is the number of coil pair on the machine? That is the output of this generator. On a standard generator you would PAY in Lenz and in magnetic drag for each coil pair added. With this machine you do NOT. Add as many coil pair (with neutralizing magnets) as you want, and all you get is an increase in output with NO increase in input. You PAY to turn the rotor and THAT is all. (Ok, there is a LITTLE extra with each coil pair added because magnetic neutralization is not PERFECT)

EVERYTHING BELOW HAS BEEN SHOWN ON VDEO
I have shown that an individual coil will put out 130 volts at .75 amps
I have shown that a coil pair will produce 130 volts at 1.5 amps (which is what my claims are based on, since there are 6 coil pair on the machine.) At higher than 2800 rpm and with more than 6 magnets on the rotor, the output is greater. Hence the 1800-2000 claim.
I have shown that with all the coils in place the motor draws less than 10 amps at 36 volts.
I have shown that putting a second coil under dead short does not effect the output of the first coil.
I have shown that a coil puts out 130 volts at .75 amps and when the next, DUPLICATE COIL is placed under load, the motor speeds up and the amp draw of the motor goes DOWN, not up. (I tune my coils so the machine neither speeds up nor slows down when the coil is put under load because when it is "neutral" it has its maximum output as a generator coil. But early on I had some coils that would cause speed up under load, and some coils that would cause slow down under load. Getting the right length of wire and number of turns on the coil correct is fairly critical.
I have shown that the magnetic drag caused by adding additional coils can be neutralized by the adjustment magnets, eliminating the increased amp draw of the motor and eliminating the decrease in RPM's from the addition of MORE coils.

What I have NOT done is show every one of these things at the same time in the same video. As of right now, the only machine that is completely assembled that COULD demonstrate this is Greyland's machine. MY friend who made Black Beauty for me and one for himself used coils with ferrite cores and they produced around 24 volts rather than the 130 volts produced by the iron cores I was using. I mentioned the failure of these ferrite core coils several days ago. So he is experimenting with different core materials to see what gives him the best output without too much heat. He also works full time, so he will get to it when he can.

Greyland has the only completely assembled machine and is in the process of hooking up all those meters I showed a picture of the other day. But he is still recovering from the stroke and only works on it when he has help on Thursday and Friday. Sometimes Saturday. When he is finished hooking up all those meters, he will begin testing his machine and shooting videos. It still has to be tuned because some coils speed it up and some slow it down. There is a tuning process he has to go through, and it takes some time. He is sending me videos and pictures of his progress.

I posted data from some of Greyland's tests, even when those results did not support my claims, but that wasn't good enough for bi. HE always wants more. I believe some of the coil outputs were not what I expected as far as voltage. If all the coils have the same length of wire, the voltages should all be relatively the same, but there were some serious outliers.Those coils are suspect and need to have their connections re-examined.

bi cannot "help" me because he doesn't believe this is possible in the first place. I need to come up with the best core material I can find that outputs the most and does not cause a heat issue. If permalloy wire works, I will probably use that. As soon as MY machine is up and running I have two iron cores, two home made ferrite cores, and then several coils I can remove the iron cores from to try other core material. I will be doing that as soon as I possibly can, and comparing the results. My house remodel is winding down rapidly. I have one day left with contractors and a couple weeks of work that I could probably cram into one long week, and I will be done. Possibly less than a week if I actually go over there and work instead of spending my time arguing with bi.

Then I have to move out, since the garage there is packed to the rafters with stuff that there is NO ROOM for at our new place. That will take a couple days.

Thanks for the reply. I'll have more to say, but here are a few comments.

It really doesn't matter whether I believe "it" can work or not. I'd say in research that is it's best to be skeptical, doubly so if something extraordinary is suspected. I am perfectly capable of objectively evaluating data. I have nothing to gain or lose, being anonymous. The only benefit which I hold any hope for is that you, or a reader/member might learn something constructive from this, enabling you or them to make a positive contribution in the field of energy.

You list a number of tests and videos you have done. Many before you knew the difference between a coil and a core. Many where you attribute results to the incorrect process or phenomena. When I ask for a bit further test data to show you this, you never comply. You're satisfied with your errant observation and incorrect conclusion. You reject a simple test request requiring little time when you (or Greyland) had all the equipment set up and working which would easily demonstrate the effect. You're quick to stop before truth shows up.

And like I've said numerous times, cogging, speedup under load, magnetic neutralization are irrelevant to the main claim which is more real power output than input. You continue to hark on those things. They do not make a difference, so testing them and showing a video of that doesn't mean anything. You think they do, ok, but don't claim that is proof, or evidence, or even data pertaining to the main claim, output/input.

So great. Let's get to work.
Regards,
bi

BTW.

I have posted a video of two coils outputting 130 volts at 1.5 amps, which is what each coil pair produces. Can you multiply that by 6, since that is the number of coil pair on the machine? That is the output of this generator. On a standard generator you would PAY in Lenz and in magnetic drag for each coil pair added. With this machine you do NOT. Add as many coil pair (with neutralizing magnets) as you want, and all you get is an increase in output with NO increase in input.

This is a primary or basic misconception on your part. I've avoided getting into it because it will be obvious when you finally test it, all six coils or pairs at once.

[Turion]

I have posted video of connecting a light to a wall socket and measuring the voltage and amperage across the bulb, and then connecting that same bulb to one coil on the generator which output MORE voltage at 130 volts and exactly the same amperage at .75 amps, and then shorting out a second, duplicate coil, on the machine and showing that it increased in RPM.

I have posted video showing the motor running on 36 volts at 7 amps from a 13 amp power supply with NO coils in place.
I posted a second video with coils in place that PROVED adding coils caused an increase in the amp draw of the motor and a decrease in the RPM even at rated speed, which shows bi is a liar. (bi says this attraction of rotor magnet to core material is eliminatedby running the motor at rated speed and he is a liar) I call this magnetic drag. The cogging, or physical jerking is eliminated by running at speed, but the attraction of the magnets to the iron core is a constant that cannot be eliminated, only neutralized. PHYSICS. This is something bi has said is of no consequence because it doesn't "affect the output" of the generator. He is a liar. Unless you pass a magnet by a piece of core material at a speed so great that the core material is unable to react to the presence of the magnet due to its finite ability to accept flux at a specific rate of speed, there will ALWAYS BE AN ATTRACTION. If the rotor magnet went by the core material SO FAST that it didn't interact with the iron of the core, the coil would put out NOTHING as a generator coil. You CAN'T have it both ways bi, no mater WHAT you think. If you believe you can, you are an idiot. Add more coils, you COMPOUND this effect. It causes the motor to draw more amps, and/or decreases the RPM of the motor. PERIOD!!!! More mass from more cores means more drag. It MUST be neutralized as I have shown how to do, not discounted as you so flippantly have done. You help me? That's such a joke!

I posted a THIRD video that showed that when even MORE coils were added, the amp draw was at over 17 amps and we could no longer run it on the 13 amp power supply we started with. Then I showed a video with ALL the coils in place and magnetic neutralization in placed that allowed the motor to run on only 13 amps. Later, Greyland was able to tune it down to run on less than 10 amps. Running on only 10 amps was NOT shown in a video, but it is a fact none the less. Believe it or don't. I really could care less.

I have posted a video of two coils outputting 130 volts at 1.5 amps, which is what each coil pair produces. Can you multiply that by 6, since that is the number of coil pair on the machine? That is the output of this generator. On a standard generator you would PAY in Lenz and in magnetic drag for each coil pair added. With this machine you do NOT. Add as many coil pair (with neutralizing magnets) as you want, and all you get is an increase in output with NO increase in input. You PAY to turn the rotor and THAT is all. (Ok, there is a LITTLE extra with each coil pair added because magnetic neutralization is not PERFECT)

EVERYTHING BELOW HAS BEEN SHOWN ON VDEO
I have shown that an individual coil will put out 130 volts at .75 amps
I have shown that a coil pair will produce 130 volts at 1.5 amps (which is what my claims are based on, since there are 6 coil pair on the machine.) At higher than 2800 rpm and with more than 6 magnets on the rotor, the output is greater. Hence the 1800-2000 claim.
I have shown that with all the coils in place the motor draws less than 10 amps at 36 volts.
I have shown that putting a second coil under dead short does not effect the output of the first coil.
I have shown that a coil puts out 130 volts at .75 amps and when the next, DUPLICATE COIL is placed under load, the motor speeds up and the amp draw of the motor goes DOWN, not up. (I tune my coils so the machine neither speeds up nor slows down when the coil is put under load because when it is "neutral" it has its maximum output as a generator coil. But early on I had some coils that would cause speed up under load, and some coils that would cause slow down under load. Getting the right length of wire and number of turns on the coil correct is fairly critical.
I have shown that the magnetic drag caused by adding additional coils can be neutralized by the adjustment magnets, eliminating the increased amp draw of the motor and eliminating the decrease in RPM's from the addition of MORE coils.

Have run the machine with all six coil pair each pair connected to a 200 watt bulb. The motor does NOT slow down under load and draws around 12 amps at 36 volts. Each coil pair puts out over 130 volts at 1.5 amps across each load. I have not shown this video, but I have shown video of the generator lighting all the lights. Just not the total output and input at the same time.

What I have NOT done is show every one of these things at the same time in the same video. As of right now, the only machine that is completely assembled that COULD demonstrate this is Greyland's machine. MY friend who made Black Beauty for me and one for himself used coils with ferrite cores and they produced around 24 volts rather than the 130 volts produced by the iron cores I was using. I mentioned the failure of these ferrite core coils several days ago. So he is experimenting with different core materials to see what gives him the best output without too much heat. He also works full time, so he will get to it when he can.

Greyland has the only completely assembled machine and is in the process of hooking up all those meters I showed a picture of the other day. But he is still recovering from the stroke and only works on it when he has help on Thursday and Friday. Sometimes Saturday. When he is finished hooking up all those meters, he will begin testing his machine and shooting videos. It still has to be tuned because some coils speed it up and some slow it down. There is a tuning process he has to go through, and it takes some time. He is sending me videos and pictures of his progress.

I posted data from some of Greyland's tests, even when those results did not support my claims, but that wasn't good enough for bi. HE always wants more. I believe some of the coil outputs were not what I expected as far as voltage. If all the coils have the same length of wire, the voltages should all be relatively the same, but there were some serious outliers.Those coils are suspect and need to have their connections re-examined.

bi cannot "help" me because he doesn't believe this is possible in the first place. I need to come up with the best core material I can find that outputs the most and does not cause a heat issue. If permalloy wire works, I will probably use that. As soon as MY machine is up and running I have two iron cores, two home made ferrite cores, and then several coils I can remove the iron cores from to try other core material. I will be doing that as soon as I possibly can, and comparing the results. My house remodel is winding down rapidly. I have one day left with contractors and a couple weeks of work that I could probably cram into one long week, and I will be done. Possibly less than a week if I actually go over there and work instead of spending my time arguing with bi.

Then I have to move out, since the garage there is packed to the rafters with stuff that there is NO ROOM for at our new place. That will take a couple days.

When I get my machine up and running, I will send the data to Aaron. When Greyland gets his machine running, he will send the data to me and I will send it to Aaron. You could always stop by his shop and measure inputs and outputs for yourself. Others on the forum have.

[bistander]

bistander and Turion,

I have a lot of respect for you both so please do not take this the wrong way. If you two had been working together over the last 5 years instead of the constant fighting can you imagine what types of things would have been accomplished? I hope one day you both can come together and we all can get back on the path of creating a world with clean and free energy.

-Altrez

OK. All I ever tried to do was help him. At first he was receptive. He told me of his 2kW out/300W in generator in a PM. He said he wasn't ready to publicly disclose it. I told him 'fine', I'll wait. Shortly, a couple months after, on citfta's thread he openly makes the claim to UfoPolitics. So I figure he's ready to put it out there and ask him to post his proof. From there on, his attitude changed. He refused any and all requests for proof, evidence and data. He starts with the name-calling, insults and ridicule.

I'm pretty thick skinned. So I just continue to offer my help. I know a lot about electric machinery. I see a thread he starts about how to make coils. So, on page one, I offered some advice. It was promptly ignored. It didn't take long until I realized how little he, or other participants knew. He actually didn't even know what a coil was. To this day he doesn't even count the number of turns, unquestionably the coil's most important design feature. So I just stayed away from that thread.

But later he had been treated poorly on another forum when he had presented one of his free energy schemes. As I recall, he posted on this forum about his experience there and asked why they wouldn't take him seriously. I offered to explain it to him after reviewing that outside forum thread. He accepted my offer of help. It was obvious to me. Over there, his use of terminology and scientific units conveyed ignorance in the field of energy. And most importantly, he offered no proof or evidence to support extraordinary performance claims for his scheme.

At first he was receptive of my suggestions. But that changed abruptly once he disclosed publicly his generator claim and I requested proof. He continues to repeatedly make the claim in my face and refuses to provide proof or data which might lead to some valid conclusion. So I just continue to request proof, evidence and data while offering help in the form of facts and references. I get ridicule in return. I think he enjoys it.

So, I'm game. Let's start with some data from Greyland's test bench. Come on Turion, show the forum here you're actually trying to make your device work. Post data instead of excuses.

Thank you altrez for the suggestion.
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