Bedini Cigars

[clarence]

Schematics

Thanks Ole friend,
I'm referring only to the right side schematic.

Is this a circuit that places the two battery set on the right in parallel, and the left two batteries in series. Then connects FWBR to negative side of the four?

Then reversed the positions with two batteries on left in parallel, with two right battery set in series, with the FWBR connected to negative side of the four? Also noticed the positives of the parallel and series are connected. (?)


Help me out here I'm still learning. Then isn't this different from the 3BSTP that we've all been testing.

To All,
Thanks for your patience, I just want to understand this circuit which I drew out on paper to get better view.

wantomake

Wanbtomake,

Sorry to take so long to answer.
The best way to make connections for the batteries whether on the left or right is to look at the Brandt schematic since it is not cluttered with the transistor images. Then make your diode connections as he has shown .
Then Make the PNP transistor connections one at a time till you have all six in place.
Then install the oscillator and its connections. Connect a whatever DC motor as the load last.
All of this is IMHOP for sure.
Have previously checked on parts and where to get If you want that info.

Respectfully

Clarence

[level]

Just wanted to comment on some people using the term 'split the positive' in regards to these battery swapping devices. It seems maybe RS Stafford or someone else recently applied this term to battery swapping devices in a recent conference, but these battery swapping devices work based on differences in voltage potential between the source batteries in series and the battery or batteries being charged.

From what I can see this has nothing to do with 'splitting the positive', which is a term mentioned by one of the early free energy machine guys, but at the moment I forget the name of the person who originally used that term. There is no 'splitting the positive' going on in these battery swapping configurations that I can see. Battery swapping configurations are all about taking advantage of voltage potential differences by alternating the connection arrangement back and forth between batteries. Positive and negative battery terminals are always used normally in a continuous loop from positive back to negative. There is no splitting the positive. 'Splitting the positive' seems to imply getting energy somehow from just a positive terminal only without having to close the loop back to the negative terminal like is done in all conventional DC circuits. That is not the case in battery swapping arrangements.

It seems one or more people in the last couple of years have been combining battery swapping arrangements with some of Mr. Bedini's coil generator devices to try to get over unity, as it seems just trying one approach or the other has not been very successful for many people. Maybe then using a combination of both approaches is worth a try.

[level]

Help me out here I'm still learning. Then isn't this different from the 3BSTP that we've all been testing.

Hello wantomake. It is the very same concept behind both the three battery switching setup and John Bedini's four battery switching setup. The only difference is that in the four battery switching setup you put two batteries in series and the other other two batteries in parallel, and then keep switching back and forth from side to side, alternating which side is in series and which side is in parallel each time you switch.

You don't have to guess at the circuit design details for John Bedini's four battery Tesla Switch configuration as John Bedini made a good quality video a while back in which he explains how to build one, and he provides all the circuit schematics for a new design. In the video John demonstrates the Tesla Switch circuit powering some LEDs and a small battery powered portable radio. The new circuit design uses opto couplers instead of the little transformers to drive the transistors, so that simplifies things a little.

As long as a person is comfortable with following schematic diagrams and connecting together a circuit that uses transistors and an IC controller chip, you should be able to build it. I have the video, and it explains everything pretty clearly and shows all the schematics. John Bedini also shows in the video the original cigar box tesla switch box which he demonstrated back in 1984, which some guy who came to visit John Bedini a short while after the 1984 demonstration cut up many of the wires for some bizarre reason.

DVD: 'The Bedini Tesla Switch'
TESLA SWITCH

I was thinking of maybe trying it myself, but as Carrol has pointed out, people have tried it and they apparently couldn't get the batteries to stay charged up in long tests, although it can apparently seem to stay charged up for shorter runs in some cases.

[clarence]

Schematics

Thanks Ole friend,
I'm referring only to the right side schematic.

Is this a circuit that places the two battery set on the right in parallel, and the left two batteries in series. Then connects FWBR to negative side of the four?

Then reversed the positions with two batteries on left in parallel, with two right battery set in series, with the FWBR connected to negative side of the four? Also noticed the positives of the parallel and series are connected. (?)


Help me out here I'm still learning. Then isn't this different from the 3BSTP that we've all been testing.

To All,
Thanks for your patience, I just want to understand this circuit which I drew out on paper to get better view.

wantomake

Hello Wantomake,

Seems like some brain mold has started to grow on this thread also (you know of which I speak) So I will only share info with you as normal by
E-mail.

Later Clarence

[Satyam108]

Yes, You're right - but it's still Split the Positive.

Thanks Ole friend,
I'm referring only to the right side schematic.

Is this a circuit that places the two battery set on the right in parallel, and the left two batteries in series. Then connects FWBR to negative side of the four?

Then reversed the positions with two batteries on left in parallel, with two right battery set in series, with the FWBR connected to negative side of the four? Also noticed the positives of the parallel and series are connected. (?)


Help me out here I'm still learning. Then isn't this different from the 3BSTP that we've all been testing.

To All,
Thanks for your patience, I just want to understand this circuit which I drew out on paper to get better view.

wantomake

Yes, wantomake, You're right - but it's still Split the Positive.

FWIW, my take on the 4 battery "Tesla" Switch - the reason it eventually runs down (and this from experience) is because the battery chemistry gets abused from not allowing them to "rest" between charging and discharging. 3BSTP has the advantage of not needing the bridge rectifier.

[Satyam108]

The Load Splits the Positive

Just wanted to comment on some people using the term 'split the positive' in regards to these battery swapping devices. It seems maybe RS Stafford or someone else recently applied this term to battery swapping devices in a recent conference, but these battery swapping devices work based on differences in voltage potential between the source batteries in series and the battery or batteries being charged.

From what I can see this has nothing to do with 'splitting the positive', which is a term mentioned by one of the early free energy machine guys, but at the moment I forget the name of the person who originally used that term. There is no 'splitting the positive' going on in these battery swapping configurations that I can see. Battery swapping configurations are all about taking advantage of voltage potential differences by alternating the connection arrangement back and forth between batteries. Positive and negative battery terminals are always used normally in a continuous loop from positive back to negative. There is no splitting the positive. 'Splitting the positive' seems to imply getting energy somehow from just a positive terminal only without having to close the loop back to the negative terminal like is done in all conventional DC circuits. That is not the case in battery swapping arrangements.

It seems one or more people in the last couple of years have been combining battery swapping arrangements with some of Mr. Bedini's coil generator devices to try to get over unity, as it seems just trying one approach or the other has not been very successful for many people. Maybe then using a combination of both approaches is worth a try.

Hi Level, yes you are correct in your view of potential difference (voltage,) but n the original cigar box diagram at the top of this thread and in Brandt's and Bedini's 4 battery switches, the load - motor or whatever - SPLITS THE POSITIVE. No way around that fact.

Jim

[Satyam108]

XLNT Post, Duncan - Thanks for the Links

A few of your questions answered including the 'Tesla' connection perhaps .Where did the Tesla switch originate ? My understanding is so --- The design and circuitry which John first saw came from Ronald Brandt (who he?) As you all know the whole area of free energy research is almost obliterated with smoke and mirrors and so I could easily be mistaken Sooo as I understand it Ronald Brandt demonstrated quite a lot of COP+1 machines in the 1970s and 80s . Some reading I'm sure have come across WITTS and its technical demonstrator Sir Timothy Thrapp research will show that Ronald Brandt was a forerunner to that position years ago.
many years prior to Ronald's association with WITTS it seems as a young man he worked as an assistant to non less a personage than Nicola Tesla . It is recorded that Ronald had an electric car that ran on the same principle as the cigar box operation you consider. The batteries energized a B52 starter motor which propelled the car.
Ronald visited John Bedini's workshop and during that visit drew a sketch of the original circuit and switching for John. The circuit was originally done with brushes and slip rings. The brush and slip ring version has been successfully recreated and if memory serves me correctly by GEC labs.
For some reason which John doesn't mention Mrs Bedini didn't much like Ronald in the home or workshop and that made the visit a bit uncomfortable.
Associated with this battery effect almost by accident if you like is EPDs voltage doubler which he talks about in that amazing lecture to radio Hams where he tells us - you turn the thing off and it just keeps running.
Video's -
Timothy Thrapp explaining who Ron Brandt was and the Tesla connection also the battery driven car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SYC-lc1730

Ronald Brandt giving a lecture on a motor some 25 years ago (if you'd like a taste of the guys work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2Mye85rFE

EPD classic lecture, The little bit on the switching batteries is 48 min - 50min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKggql3aYkc

That voltage doubler is gone into with some detail on another thread on this forum along with its circuit diagram - I haven't come across it yet ! It is after all the basic operating principle of this system I have tried this construct myself without much luck but that certainly doesn't mean anything much

XLNT Post, Duncan - Thanks for the Links

[Satyam108]

Good "Food for Thought"

Hey all,

I just scooped this image from a video tube user "Davy Oneness" video about John Bedini... It explains BEMF and the Spike are additive to each other, this is big news at least to me. Also I think John maybe referring to CEMF when he talks about BEMF in his rotor SG machines. Just so you know I am talking about CEMF, produced from rotored machines which is the counter force that opposes applied voltage, even though I use the term BEMF below. Sorry to confuse.

It is also very interesting when John shows splitting the positive, figure 7, in this diagram he compares it to the example of the in phase differential waveform of figure 6. Also notice the hand drawn scope shot showing the spike plus BEMF in figure 5. It can now be seen that when John mentions splitting the positive he can also be talking about BEMF and the Spike being additive and at a higher energy potential than the supply, or powering battery. Even in EFTV John shows Dave Clements the splitting the positive analogy and even the variablness in size of the wave forms that can be constructed using the splitting the positive scenerio. The Spike plus the BEMF is the key to the pulse driven SG machines ability to overpotentialize and charge the primary battery. The Beginners SG Handbook shows one pulse along one wire back to the primary battery, note there is no secondary battery at all, just a low voltage 9 volt battery powering the device.

All this is comparitive to how John, in unconventional fashion, viewed the typical DC generator waveform as talked about in the 1984 booklet that consisted of his 1984 motor / energizer. Now we can see the other half of the generator that John always said conventional electrical engineers left out of their generator designs. In the book Free Energy Generation how did John view the normal DC generator wave form? Was it the same way as figure 6 but with just the two opposing wave forms being equal in magnitude and in phase? Is the Bedini SG Energizer, in part, a conventional DC generator plus what today's electrical engineers have left out? Which is the ability to use BEMF + the Spike to get a higher potential than the applied voltage and to also float in and out of Lenz's law, so as to partially negate the law and its negative affects regarding power generation.

If the SG fires at 23 degrees or in between the north magnets or at the scalar south... Which is or can be all the same thing then we have limited, which is next to no drag on the SG rotored machine.

I realize there are two different waveforms on this page (typical SG figure 8) and (BEMF + Spike, negative pulse figure 5) but there are also these same two different waveforms on John's zero force motor video when he inserts and or removes the iron tube from the core of the coil...

The image is John Bedini's lab notes from 9/10/06

Dave Wing

Thanks Dave,
Good Food for Thought. Many of JB's lab notes were released in Yaro Stanchak's Zero Force Motor presentation last July. I see some indications that JB studied Ed Leedskalnin's "Magnetic Current" work.

[level]

Hi Level, yes you are correct in your view of potential difference (voltage,) but n the original cigar box diagram at the top of this thread and in Brandt's and Bedini's 4 battery switches, the load - motor or whatever - SPLITS THE POSITIVE. No way around that fact.
Jim

Hi Jim. No, as I mentioned, it really only has to do with potential difference. It doesn't matter whether a battery terminal is labelled as 'positive' or 'negative', current is still flowing from the higher voltage potential to the lower voltage potential in these battery swapping arrangements, and completing a closed circuit from positive back to negative just like in all conventional DC circuits.

It is just that you place a battery of lower potential in series in such an orientation that it charges, and in that case the negative terminal of the battery being charged is acting as a 'positive terminal' while the battery is being charged. There is no 'splitting the positive' going on at all that I can see however.

It is just a standard battery charging connection configuration. If you measure the voltage difference between the negative terminals in a three or four battery switching setup (it doesn't matter) you will see that there is a DC voltage difference there that is the difference of the two batteries in series minus the voltage of the battery that is being charged. It is all just about making use of potential difference to charge batteries and power a load, as I explained above.

If some people still want to call a standard battery charging configuration 'splitting the positive' that's up to them, but, if you think about it, when you charge any battery you apply a higher voltage to the battery to reverse the current flow in the battery being charged so current comes out of the negative terminal of the battery being charged (using conventional current). The negative terminal of the battery being charged looks like a 'positive terminal' when a battery is being charged by a higher voltage, so the configuration in the battery swapping setups is just a standard battery charging setup. No splitting the positive is going on that I can see since as I explained the circuit configuration is a normal closed DC loop. No worries. It's not that important. It is just a term.

[Satyam108]

Split the Infinitive!

Hi Jim. No, as I mentioned, it really only has to do with potential difference. It doesn't matter whether a battery terminal is labelled as 'positive' or 'negative', current is still flowing from the higher voltage potential to the lower voltage potential in these battery swapping arrangements, and completing a closed circuit from positive back to negative just like in all conventional DC circuits.

It is just that you place a battery of lower potential in series in such an orientation that it charges, and in that case the negative terminal of the battery being charged is acting as a 'positive terminal' while the battery is being charged. There is no 'splitting the positive' going on at all that I can see however.

It is just a standard battery charging connection configuration. If you measure the voltage difference between the negative terminals in a three or four battery switching setup (it doesn't matter) you will see that there is a DC voltage difference there that is the difference of the two batteries in series minus the voltage of the battery that is being charged. It is all just about making use of potential difference to charge batteries and power a load, as I explained above.

If some people still want to call a standard battery charging configuration 'splitting the positive' that's up to them, but, if you think about it, when you charge any battery you apply a higher voltage to the battery to reverse the current flow in the battery being charged so current comes out of the negative terminal of the battery being charged (using conventional current). The negative terminal of the battery being charged looks like a 'positive terminal' when a battery is being charged by a higher voltage, so the configuration in the battery swapping setups is just a standard battery charging setup. No splitting the positive is going on that I can see since as I explained the circuit configuration is a normal closed DC loop. No worries. It's not that important. It is just a term.

HA! Toe Maw Toe/Tomato

To Boldly Split the Positive! No charging would occur if the positives were not split by the load, right?

[wantomake]

Teachers and friends

To All,
Thanks very much to good teachers and friends.

A lot to digest for some time.

Just my untested guess, this circuit must be a radiant collecting device with high speed flip-flop switching of the potential difference between the batteries. Hence the "pain to tune" terms I've read about.

I originally wanted a simple way to "switch" battery positions in the 3BGS setup sitting and waiting on my work bench. But a wondering mind can take too many paths into unfamiliar woods.

That's a box of cigars never smoked in my case. Hope one of you can lead the way to open this mystery box.
wantomake

[level]

HA! Toe Maw Toe/Tomato

To Boldly Split the Positive! No charging would occur if the positives were not split by the load, right?

Hello Jim. By your definition, a standard battery charger where you connect the positive battery charger terminal to the positive on a battery to charge up the battery would also be 'splitting the positive'? No? It is just a standard closed loop DC circuit. Current flows from higher voltage potential to lower voltage potential. You can put a suitable load between a battery charger positive terminal and the positive terminal of the battery being charged and power a load. That's still just a normal closed loop DC circuit, just as it is in the Tesla Switch. I think a more appropriate term for the Tesla Switch is 'charge shuttling', since what you are doing is shuttling charge back and forth between batteries and powering a load in the process. Anyway, terminology aside, what's really important however is whether the batteries can really stay charged up or not when running for a long time.

[Duncan]

for your interest
THE TESLA SWITCH

[Matthew Jones]

As usual all talk, no work. New names old habits. It sure has gotten better with experience, understanding and experimentation. Course you already knew that, you talked about it after all. LOL

[wantomake]

been busy

To All,
This is the work I've been busy with. the lithium-ion batteries do work ok in this setup but do loss power in the position #1 primary faster than I want. The charge position #3 charges up at slow speed. As pictured my positions are in order #1 to #4. With #4 resting and #1 and #2 are the primaries.

The Li-ions are from ebay, the battery holders with connectors from Vruzend.

My intent was to see any voltage produced by the circuit of the posted schematic. But I did learn from the setup.
It is my idea to build the larger blocks of li-ion battery cells to use as power walls to keep the lights on during seasonal power outages.
Li-ions charge up to 4 +- volts, so I may use 12v relays to switch positions of batteries. This will teach me if li-ions can be used in this 3BGS setup.

If life and ideas allow me tomorrow to add more to the setup, I'll post the pics here.

I want to make more and talk less,
wantomake

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