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  • Dragon's Dual Battery Recovery Circuit

    Hi folks, i have been testing dragon's circuit, that he shared on a couple threads already.
    I do realize it is a well known circuit, Bedini and all, though it is working very well.
    I have been swapping the 12 volt batteries manually for the moment, whenever the charge battery reaches about 13.5 volts.
    At the same time, my secondary coil is powering a feit, 3.6 watt filament, gutted led bulb, at very good brightness.
    While at the same time, a diode off the transistor collector is charging the charge battery.
    My circuit is using around 4.8 watts.
    Quote from Dragon:
    While waiting for the MPPT, a past project has been resurrected. To be honest it was never thought to be anything more than a novelty for extending the run time of JT circuits. It appears I was being a bit short sited...
    Over the last couple days it's shown me that it might be possible to bring it up into a power level that would provide a useful output, although, as the output power goes up so do the challenges. However, it does meet the criteria of my end goal.
    The picture shows a small Hartley circuit driving a 120v 3watt LED bulb utilizing a switch circuit to drain one bank and charge the next - when one bank is charged it can be switched back to reverse the process. I had never done any real measuring of the circuit - simply running it for days on end to see how long it would last...
    To my surprise it was returning 74% of the energy... really close to my 80% acceptable range. So to put that into perspective if you were running a 10ah load, 7.5 ah is being returned, effectively running a 10 amp load with only a 2.5 amp loss. So I'm thinking if I can simply toss a project like this together with little thought with this much return I should be able to surpass the 80% with a little thought.
    The circuit diagram is one that I've shared over the years, most recently in Mikey's thread, so once again I'll bring it to light with a little different perspective...
    It also lines up with the thoughts that both batteries should be the same capacity and voltage where the difference in potential is relatively low for the highest efficiency in transferring energy between the batteries. There are a few flaws with it as is but the basics are all there....
    Here is Dragons circuit:


    And here is my version, without switches to swap batteries yet.


  • #2
    Hi dragon, thanks for sharing another circuit pic, looks clear to me.
    Feel free to share any updated results with this circuit.

    There is something very efficient about this particular circuit so far, it is just going and going.
    The primary battery position, actually starts to climb again, when the charge battery gets above 13 volts.
    It could very well be what Bedini mentions, There is some charge kickback on the positive line, back to positive of primary battery, same thing that helped keep the schoolgirl motor go for so long.
    Yes, i've been studying the Bedini SG handbooks.
    I wonder if adding a cap dump, would further improve things.
    I am going to continue running this setup, whenever one battery gets to 13.5 volts, then swap, etc.
    The primary battery goes down to about 12.47 volts every time, then slowly climbs to 12.48-.49, has not changed this behaviour yet and i've run the circuit at least 20 hours already.
    peace love light
    Last edited by SkyWatcher; 07-15-2016, 05:15 PM.

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    • #3
      Hi all, here is what the SG handbook describes as an effect of dragons circuit, an additional kickback charging effect, separate from the inductive spike on coil collapse.



      When the transistor turns OFF, and even before the current starts to flow in
      the trigger winding to dissipate the energy of the collapsing magnetic field,
      a high voltage spike, consisting of a longitudinal wave of pure potential,
      travels from the Main Coil winding back to the positive terminal of the 9
      volt battery along one wire. The event is over in a few microseconds, but its
      effect on the battery is profound.
      It temporarily reverses the flow of the heavier ions in the battery, which
      apparently slows the average "discharge rate" of the battery by up to 95%!
      This allows the battery to run the "toy demonstration" for a much longer
      time than the battery normally would.
      This phenomenon, first reported by Nikola Tesla in the 1890s, is called
      "Radiant Energy" and its appearance demonstrates aspects of electrical
      science that few researchers have understood. Lucky for us, John Bedini
      spent 20 years experimenting and teaching himself about this process until
      he understood it so well he could teach it to a 10 year old school girl.
      peace love light

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      • #4
        Hi all, here is circuit running.



        peace love light

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        • #5
          Skywatcher I got lost on this "feit, 3.6 watt filament, gutted led bulb" What is feit and is this a tungsten filament bulb or LED or ? Confused

          I also keep wanting to mention this tidbit which I'm sure we all know but I was reminded recently of how big a difference this can make. I recently got a small LCD electronic device which needs a 9V battery for power. I grabbed a 9V battey and checked it on a VOM as having 9.1 volts. I put it in the new device and nothing happened. Totally dead. I first thought the device was bad. I then grabbed another 9V battery and read the voltage as being about 8.4 volts. When installed in the device it worked perfectly. I pulled out the battery and grabbed my Fluke meter that can read Amps. First battery that was 9.1 volts read about 1ma. Second one that was 8.4 volts had read about 2.3 Amps. Of course what I'm saying here is to not put too much weight on the power in a battery just based on voltage readings alone. I know that you know that. It just seems references come up often on many threads here where voltage readings alone are being implied as a measure of power available. Keep up the great work!
          There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine

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          • #6
            Hi ewizard, sorry for the confusion, it is a gutted led bulb, but it's one of those newer designs, which resemble filaments inside.
            I've been using a 1 ohm resistor, measuring voltage over that resistor to determine amperage and will continue using that method.
            The collapsing spike is giving the charge battery a real ability to power this setup, back and forth as i swap, every 10 hours or so, whenever charge battery gets to around 13.5 volts and every time so far, the primary battery position, is stabilized at around 12.46 volts, dropping slightly sometimes and then climbing back up again.
            I've been running this circuit and powering this led bulb at very useful and practical levels of light output.
            I've been running and swapping for at least 30 hours now and the batteries both were at around 12.75 at start, after all day sitting today, both are settled at 12.65 volts.
            After i see how far this goes, i will do more exact data collection when i start new testing.
            It's obvious to me, that the positive line kickback effect is coming into play here, as the primary loaded battery, will drop slightly sometimes, then come back up as if being charged while powering the setup.
            peace love light

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            • #7
              Boost converter finally here

              Hi folks, the boost converter finally arrived by slow boat from china.
              Since i've still been testing and making changes with dragons dual battery circuit, i figured this thread is as good as any.
              I am now making tests with this circuit, except i am using solid state joule thief oscillator configuration at the moment.
              This 600 watt boost converter, works fine in this circuit.
              Also, the oscillator has a secondary powering a gutted led bulb, as shown in previous circuit drawing.
              peace love light

              Last edited by SkyWatcher; 07-20-2016, 03:51 AM.

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              • #8
                Thanks for explaining the LED bulb. Those are cool looking LED lights. On a side note I've converted every light in my house to LED including the former fluorescent kitchen lights. Walmart has 60 watt equivialent LED bulbs as cheap as $1 each - makes sense to convert!
                There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine

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                • #9
                  Hi ewizard, your welcome and yes they are cool looking and efficient.
                  The gutted led bulb i am using, is 125 lumens per watt stock, of course more costly at the moment.
                  I have been testing the circuit i described, it runs ok.
                  It seems to heat up the transistor of the oscillator circuit a bit, compared to running the boost converter off one battery and then using the 24 volts or so, to run the re-emf circuit with, into the charge battery.
                  Running it that way, it charges much faster and creates virtually no heat in the transistor and runs the led bulb at the same time.
                  peace love light

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                  • #10
                    Hi all, here is a picture of the latest setup running and the new boost converter on top of batteries.
                    The booster is powered from one battery and set to 26 volts output, between that and the charge battery, is the re-emf circuit on the negative battery side.
                    I'm also using a new transistor, NPN-NTE52
                    peace love light

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                    • #11
                      Hi all, i am trying a new circuit.
                      I want to compare it with the 3 battery setup and will be swapping 1 battery periodically from the charge battery bank and see how many watt hours can be had from the system.
                      It is drawing around 3.25 watts, 260 milliamps and the coil spike is essentially splitting the positives with the charge bank.
                      I only have 2 batteries in the charge bank, though it is said, that many more batteries in the charge bank is a good thing, as the spikes like the lower impedance.
                      Your comments or questions are appreciated.
                      peace love light

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