BEMF current reversal.

[Allen Burgess]

BEMF current reversal.

"Negative current is just positive current flowing in the opposite direction".


"This negative current COMES BACK TO THE POWER SUPPLY and this can explain why the original Newman machine has been able to keep its battery charged".

Look at the negative current Stefan measured from JLN's Newman motor in the lower right scope shot: This is definite proof that the original positive current is flowing in the opposite direction.

[citfta]

Bi,

In fairness to UFO I will say I have seen this. But only when either the workpiece or the drill bit were already magnetized. I worked as an industrial maintenance electrician for over 25 years in a very large machine shop. And I have never seen the act of drilling a hole cause either the drill bit or the workpiece to become magnetized unless one or the other were already magnetized.

Regards,
Carroll

[bistander]

Drill

...you just start drilling a piece of iron...and by the rotation of the drill bit...you get those iron filings magnetized and sticking to the bit as to the metal...

Regards


Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

All my time with drills, mills and lathes, I've never noticed this. So I just tried it again. Nothing magnetic. I didn't see a single iron particle stick to the drill bit or iron workpiece or together at all.

Oh well,

bi

[Allen Burgess]

Negative current.

Here's a fact that appears to be concrete and reliable:

"Negative current is just positive current flowing in the opposite direction".

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...fusion.152337/

[aljhoa]

Cavitation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation

Al

[Dave45]

I think overunity will be found in a dc circuit with no switching of any kind, simply a matter of sympathetic fields.
I'll expound more on this later.

[bistander]

Purpose of analogy

Bistander,

I expected a better analogy than a Church built of bricks and a hurricane that made it collapse, too materialistic ...since a magnetic field is not a tangible (material) object... plus, its propagation characteristics through space can make it go through almost any material (mass) on this planet...and at speeds above light.

Random Magnetic Fields are everywhere around us...you just start drilling a piece of iron...and by the rotation of the drill bit...you get those iron filings magnetized and sticking to the bit as to the metal...no electricity flow required. When we rotate whatever...we are "Organizing" in a rotational sense that Space around the spinning object...meaning, we are generating a polarized field there...just by rotation.

Same thing applies when we energize any coil...the electrons flow following the copper conductor spirals (coil rings), generates a rotary motion within that near space occupied by coil shape...and if we have a ferromagnetic core within, then that core inner particles will also be aligned according to the spin from the electron flow influence...then the generated field would be much stronger than just of air core...since it would be born from the very center of that core.

When we cut the electrical flow off that coil, it does not just happens that all electrons that were traveling and spiraling the coil windings before the cut off, will suddenly stop doing so in a radical way...nope...inertial forces apply to electrons as well, in this case a reversal of the flow will take place, as a counter reaction, acting like a vacuum and reversing the whole process...However, who dictates this reverse flow is precisely the Reversing Magnetic Field returning back to where it was.

About a better analogy to this would be an Electric Generator...of any kind, AC or DC...same thing does for this example...

When we stop the prime mover...and Power turns down...does this means that the Energy Collapsed and went nowhere?

According to Energy Conservation...if we stop the Mechanical Rotation from the Prime Mover....then Energy could not keep being

transformed from mechanical to electrical...right?

Apply that to any coil...we set the mechanical motion from electrons spiraling around coil...magnetic field is generated...then we stop that

mechanical rotation (could we say prime mover?)...then Magnetic Field (exactly the same as Energy from that Generator) could no longer be transformed.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

Perhaps you missed the point of my analogy. I used it to illustrate the use of the word "collapse", not to explain magnetic curly que spirals speeding through the universe.

Regards,

bi

[Allen Burgess]

Scopemeter.

Allen specifically said meters. I have a very nice DSO. It will show a positive or negative current but only my training has taught me how to interpret that as a current direction. And Allen doesn't seem to believe the dozen or so scope shots he has been shown that clearly show NO reversal of current when the power is removed from an inductor.

[Dave45]

A battery charging circuit runs pos into the pos post therefore pulling electrons from the pos into the neg and charging the battery.
Diodes are a great indication of current and electron movement in a circuit.

[Dave45]

it is a reaction of electron movement through a conductor.

The buck converter shows this to be true.
Buck Converters

I personally believe this to be true Franklin was half right electrons move from neg to pos and current moves from pos to neg.

[Dave45]

The magnetic field does collapse if it just rebounded as suggested then the coil would remain magnetic as in a permanent magnet.
The field collapses and the eddy currents collapse into the coil windings creating an inductive kickback, bemf or whatever you choose to call it.

So how can we test to see which way current travels,
We know electrons move from neg to pos but is that current
If current moves from pos to neg then current is a product of electron flow, it is a reaction of electron movement through a conductor

[Ufopolitics]

Analogies...

Hi Ufo,

There's a pile of bricks. A crew of masons take those bricks and errect, construct, build or make a structure out of them. Say a church. An

earthquake happens and reduces, destroys, eliminates or collapses the church. Now there is no church just a pile of bricks.

See the analogy? Pile of bricks is natural state. Church represents the field. Build and collapse are good terms to use in either case. A kid says

hey dad, the church disappeared. Dad says, no son, it just returned to its natural state.

From a distance you could see the church but not the pile of bricks. Similarly we can sense the magnetic field but after the collapse we are unable

to see the natural state. But it is probably there somewhere. Maybe. Your buddy Ken says fields don't exist anyway. All we do is stick words and

numbers on things so we can talk about them. I don't see anything wrong with "collapsing" field.

Regards,

bi

Bistander,

I expected a better analogy than a Church built of bricks and a hurricane that made it collapse, too materialistic ...since a magnetic field is not a tangible (material) object... plus, its propagation characteristics through space can make it go through almost any material (mass) on this planet...and at speeds above light.

Random Magnetic Fields are everywhere around us...you just start drilling a piece of iron...and by the rotation of the drill bit...you get those iron filings magnetized and sticking to the bit as to the metal...no electricity flow required. When we rotate whatever...we are "Organizing" in a rotational sense that Space around the spinning object...meaning, we are generating a polarized field there...just by rotation.

Same thing applies when we energize any coil...the electrons flow following the copper conductor spirals (coil rings), generates a rotary motion within that near space occupied by coil shape...and if we have a ferromagnetic core within, then that core inner particles will also be aligned according to the spin from the electron flow influence...then the generated field would be much stronger than just of air core...since it would be born from the very center of that core.

When we cut the electrical flow off that coil, it does not just happens that all electrons that were traveling and spiraling the coil windings before the cut off, will suddenly stop doing so in a radical way...nope...inertial forces apply to electrons as well, in this case a reversal of the flow will take place, as a counter reaction, acting like a vacuum and reversing the whole process...However, who dictates this reverse flow is precisely the Reversing Magnetic Field returning back to where it was.

About a better analogy to this would be an Electric Generator...of any kind, AC or DC...same thing does for this example...

When we stop the prime mover...and Power turns down...does this means that the Energy Collapsed and went nowhere?

According to Energy Conservation...if we stop the Mechanical Rotation from the Prime Mover....then Energy could not keep being

transformed from mechanical to electrical...right?

Apply that to any coil...we set the mechanical motion from electrons spiraling around coil...magnetic field is generated...then we stop that

mechanical rotation (could we say prime mover?)...then Magnetic Field (exactly the same as Energy from that Generator) could no longer be transformed.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[ltseung888]

Allen specifically said meters. I have a very nice DSO. It will show a positive or negative current but only my training has taught me how to interpret that as a current direction. And Allen doesn't seem to believe the dozen or so scope shots he has been shown that clearly show NO reversal of current when the power is removed from an inductor.

I am glad that you have a nice DSO. You must have taken scope shots similar to reply 70 and 71 in this thread. You must have seen Positive Current and Negative Voltage or Negative Current and Positive Voltage situations. These situations show Negative Power and Energy.

These Negative Energy situations are of particular interest in the investigation of lead-out energy. A 5V DC supply can give rise to a -580V spike in a pulsing situation...

[citfta]

Allen specifically said meters. I have a very nice DSO. It will show a positive or negative current but only my training has taught me how to interpret that as a current direction. And Allen doesn't seem to believe the dozen or so scope shots he has been shown that clearly show NO reversal of current when the power is removed from an inductor.

[ltseung888]

I must be one of the lucky researchers to own oscilloscopes. The waveforms can show voltage and current directions.

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