BEMF current reversal.

[ltseung888]

Waveform for the case of magnet inside coil but the current was too small to make it jump. The DC Voltage was 4V. The Large Negative Voltage was observed.

The circuit diagram is attached.

[ltseung888]

The waveform from the air core coil. The top curve is the Current. The bottom is the Voltage across the coil. The Input voltage is 4V DC.

Note that at the leading edge (RHS), The Current is negative while the Voltage is positive. That give negative power.

At the trailing edge, the opposite occurs, the Current is Positive while the Voltage is negative. That also gives Negative power.

The magnitude of the spikes is small - in the order of a few volts.

Can we say that Negative Power enters the coil at both leading and trailing edges...

[Dave45]

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The diode between the coils must be removed it dampens the oscillation.

[Dave45]

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[Dave45]

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[ltseung888]

@Itseung888,

Thanks again for helping clear that up. Do you think the "Fung Wheel" could benefit from the addition of a backspike energized hi-voltage secondary power coil and capacitor like Woopjump's? Double the propulsion force from the same input pulse?

I find it interesting that the off centered wheel develops 1/3 more force in the vertical positon then when lying flat on the horizontal plane.

I shall do two more vertical repulsion waveform experiments.

1. No magnet inside the coil. ( kdaveem's simple current on/off experiment)
2. There is magnet but the current is so small that the magnet does not jump.

Let us see what we can learn...

[Allen Burgess]

"Reverse Current" as "Negative Energy".

@itseung888,

I approve of referring to what appears to be "Reverse Current" as "Negative Energy". I don't know how well that will be accepted by our group of OU skeptic midnight trash hounds.

Two offset magnets placed right next to each other on the "Fung Wheel" would still produce the pendulum effect, and allow a hi-voltage secondary backspike power coil to sit right next to a primary on the stator for a nearly slimultaneous "Double Wallop" for the same input value. The circuit would probably need a Reed switch like Woopyjumps.

[ltseung888]

@Itseung888,

Thanks again for helping clear that up. Do you think the "Fung Wheel" could benefit from the addition of a backspike energized hi-voltage secondary power coil and capacitor like Woopjump's? Double the propulsion force from the same input pulse?

I find it interesting that the off centered wheel develops 1/3 more force in the vertical positon then when lying flat on the horizontal plane.

I am sure that there is much more than what we have discussed openly on the Internet. USA and China have their UFOs flying. I am sure that their military scientists use oscilloscopes to observe the waveforms.

The Fung wheel is an unbalanced wheel set up. That is an improvement over the pendulum and thus can lead-out gravitational energy in the vertical position...

If we can lead-out gravitational energy, we must be able to lead-out electromagnetic energy... The many inventions outlined in Patrick Kelly's e-book may be using such lead-out energy.

I am not familiar with the Woopjump.

[Allen Burgess]

Fung wheel.

@Itseung888,

Thanks again for helping clear that up. Do you think the "Fung Wheel" could benefit from the addition of a backspike energized hi-voltage secondary power coil and capacitor like Woopjump's? Double the propulsion force from the same input pulse?

I find it interesting that the off centered wheel develops 1/3 more force in the vertical positon then when lying flat on the horizontal plane.

[ltseung888]

This video shows a schematic of a charged inductor sending reversed polarity power back to a source battery after the circuit's broken at the negative battery pole:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48_WG8Drm34

Is there anything wrong with kdaveem's simple explanation? He says he "Puts positive in one way and when he disconnects it, negative comes back out".

He should have displayed the actual waveforms.

Is there anything wrong with kdaveem's simple explanation? He says he "Puts positive in one way and when he disconnects it, negative comes back out".

Actual observation revealed that the high negative voltage spike across the coil could occur at the leading edge - during the connection period. At same time, the current (voltage across a one ohm resistor) could be positive.

His explanation is not consistent with experimental observation.

Experiment with vertical coil and magnet repulsion clearly showed the above with most attempts. Experiment with circular coil and magnet repulsion varied with exact timing but the same effect could appear. That was the result from the Fung Wheel.

The problem with kdaveem and many others is - they do not have the actual waveforms. They just make what they believe to be reasonable assumptions... That is dangerous science...

*** In the attached Fung Wheel diagram, the top curve is the current in the circuit. The bottom is the voltage across the coil.

[Allen Burgess]

Newman back spike.

This video shows a schematic of a charged inductor sending reversed polarity power back to a source battery after the circuit's broken at the negative battery pole:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48_WG8Drm34

Is there anything wrong with kdaveem's simple explanation? He says he "Puts positive in one way and when he disconnects it, negative comes back out".

[ltseung888]

@Itsung888,

Here's Igor's "Reed Switch Spinner ll" once again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWvI7T7h3tk

In your opinion; Would it be correct to classify the back spike power running through Igor's reverse biased LED into the positive pole of the battery as "Negative Energy" in the above video?

Before I made that judgement, I would do the following:

1. Place a one ohm resistor next to the battery to show the current waveform. Assume that is connected to the connections of Channel 1.

2. Place the Channel 2 connections of the oscilloscope across the diode /LED to show the voltage waveform. Make sure the common of Channel 1 and 2 are properly connected.

3. The scope will be able to show simultaneously the Current and Voltage Waveforms. Display both channel 1 and 2.

4. If some portions of the waveform show positive current and negative voltage or vice versa, I would say that such portions show negative energy.

5. There may be additional information such as spikes that are non-uniform from the waveforms. The shape and magnitude of the spikes will also be useful.

[Dave45]

Yea best not to get into pissing contests with forum members, just study the circuits.
Seems most are here trying to prove how smart they are.

I believe that eddy currents cause the bemf created when a magnetic field collapses, but thats just my opinion, I try to study the mechanics involved.

[Allen Burgess]

igor is running the bemf through the diode, its a pos spike ran into the pos post, thats why the circuit is so efficient.
What gets me is the spike should be neg, wished he had used a regular diode before the led, I have some led's that light up reversed bias.
The spinning magnet is affecting the circuit as well, Im sure the circuit isnt behaving as a normal pulsed circuit would.

@Dave45,

I asked bistander what would happen if we replaced the Reed switch with a blade switch, kept the LED reverse biased, removed the magnet, then manually broke the circuit by opening the blade switch after charging the inductor.

This is simple enough for me to set up and try on my own, but I would imagine the LED would blink. Bistander told me I didn't know the first thing about electronics and needed to return to kindergarten when I questioned him about his view.

[Dave45]

igor is running the bemf through the diode, its a pos spike ran into the pos post, thats why the circuit is so efficient.
What gets me is the spike should be neg, wished he had used a regular diode before the led, I have some led's that light up reversed bias.
The spinning magnet is affecting the circuit as well, Im sure the circuit isnt behaving as a normal pulsed circuit would.